Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You mean force children to learn 'scientific theories'.

Indeed! But your inflammatory, low IQ language is inappropriate. You cant force children to learn anything. Just as I went to Sunday school and outgrew the bronze age mythology at a young age.

 

[Hafar1014]

Genesis describes the renewal of the surface of the earth and the introduction of humans that will have a relationship with God that will lead to the restoration of God's spiritual kingdom.

Not will have a relationship with God. Its will choose by his free will to have relationship with God. Thats the whole meaning of the moral teaching of man and the trial for mans freedom

 

[Woodznutz]

Ask yourself this. What would my life be like If I didnt define myself as an alpha who needs to be in control. The answer is why you made this choice.
Also what would my relationships be like if I was not in control.
This will reveal the emotional truth and improve your insight and sense of identity

The need to be in control is an avoidance of an experience from a memory

Without leadership relationships have no direction. A wife has to assent to her husband's leadership for it to work. Of course, he must be a good leader as well with a plan and destination for the family. My wife was too young to understand the work and sacrifice needed to be successful. Sad to say but she was in over her head.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not will have a relationship with God. Its will choose by his free will to have relationship with God. Thats the whole meaning of the moral teaching of man and the trial for mans freedom

In due time God chose Abraham to father the people that he would use to implement his master plan. Complete free will was suspended for those he chose to draw to himself. God's calling is really quite irresistible. However, 'bondage' to God is freedom from the chains of the devil.

 

[Woodznutz]

Indeed! But your inflammatory, low IQ language is inappropriate. You cant force children to learn anything. Just as I went to Sunday school and outgrew the bronze age mythology at a young age.

Much of the world has 'outgrown' it as well and is circling the drain as a result.

 

[Quantrill]

Indeed! But your inflammatory, low IQ language is inappropriate. You cant force children to learn anything. Just as I went to Sunday school and outgrew the bronze age mythology at a young age.

Well, make up your mind. You're the one complaining about children being forced in learning. Now you say children can't be forced to learn anything.

So, what are you bitchin about?

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

In due time God chose Abraham to father the people that he would use to implement his master plan. Complete free will was suspended for those he chose to draw to himself. God's calling is really quite irresistible. However, 'bondage' to God is freedom from the chains of the devil.

Thats Christianity obedience compelled by a threat. Genesis states dam chose to come to God as a free man. Bondage means youre a slave

 

[Woodznutz]

Thats Christianity obedience compelled by a threat. Genesis states dam chose to come to God as a free man. Bondage means youre a slave

The yoke of God is pretty light. It's only heavy if you resist. God's yoke on Israel was heavy. Christ's yoke is light; lighter than Satan's.

 

[Hafar1014]

The yoke of God is pretty light. It's only heavy if you resist. God's yoke on Israel was heavy. Christ's yoke is light; lighter than Satan's.

Jesus demands obedience by threatening you with hell
Thats not in Genesis. Jews were set free by God to chose their own way. Thats why we are the most successful people in history against the worst oppression possible

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus demands obedience by threatening you with hell
Thats not in Genesis. Jews were set free by God to chose their own way. Thats why we are the most successful people in history against the worst oppression possible

If Jews are so successful, why do you need Christian help caring for other starving Jews? (I think we both know the answer to that.)

Do you think for one minute that money is flowing from the Jews to Christian causes via "The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews."?

"The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews (IFCJ) is a philanthropic organization dedicated to promoting understanding and cooperation between Christians and Jews while providing humanitarian aid to the Jewish people and supporting Israel."

 

[toobfreak]

Sure list them again, and where you gave them?

Here are a few simple and fast questions you never answered in this thread and the post number they belong to. Funny you need all that since you claim you've already answered them all!

1. How do you know all other religions are a lie. (309),
2. Where in the Bible does it ever mention Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism being false?
3. Does it mention ANY other religion? (315)
4. I never met a false religion. Who decides those? (325)
5. If God can author a book, why do you think he would stop at just one for one group of people at just one time?
6. Why would he author a book written by dozens of people scattered over nearly 2000 years? Why not author it with just one person at one time?
7. Why would a God of infinite compassion and understanding be vengeful?, What does he have to be vengeful about?
8. And why would God choose as his son a Jew who was both related to the very people who crucified him AND don't even believe the Son of God has come yet?!

 

[Quantrill]

Here are a few simple and fast questions you never answered in this thread and the post number they belong to. Funny you need all that since you claim you've already answered them all!

1. How do you know all other religions are a lie. (309),
2. Where in the Bible does it ever mention Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism being false?
3. Does it mention ANY other religion? (315)
4. I never met a false religion. Who decides those? (325)
5. If God can author a book, why do you think he would stop at just one for one group of people at just one time?
6. Why would he author a book written by dozens of people scattered over nearly 2000 years? Why not author it with just one person at one time?
7. Why would a God of infinite compassion and understanding be vengeful?, What does he have to be vengeful about?
8. And why would God choose as his son a Jew who was both related to the very people who crucified him AND don't even believe the Son of God has come yet?!

Concerning #(1) and #(2): I answered in post #(313). "The Bible doesn't have to mention all other religions. The Bible is God's Word and gives the truth about God and salvation."

Concerning #(3): I answered in post #(320). "Yes, as false religions."

Concerning #(4): I answered in post #(326) "All religions outside of the the true faith in the true God of the Bible are false."

Concerning #(5), #(6), #(7): I answered in post #(326) The anwers are given in the last 6 paragraphs.

Concerning#(8): I don't see the question listed in post #(325).

Quantrill

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus demands obedience by threatening you with hell
Thats not in Genesis. Jews were set free by God to chose their own way. Thats why we are the most successful people in history against the worst oppression possible

Where (in what passages) does Jesus "demand" obedience--or demand anything else? Where (in what passages) does Jesus threaten us with hell (or threaten us with anything)?

Is, "Don't jump off the roof, you will break your bones" a threat? Is "No Swimming, Riptides" a demand?

In reading the Gospels, we see Jesus conversing and telling stories. He uses the analogy of treasures and blessings people find in their obedience to God and His Commandments. He then speaks of what it is like when one ignores God and His Commandments: The analogy now is that instead of finding treasure, it's like finding oneself in the city dump (Gehenna) where one will find worms which do not die.

 

[Woodznutz]

Where (in what passages) does Jesus "demand" obedience--or demand anything else? Where (in what passages) does Jesus threaten us with hell (or threaten us with anything)?

Is, "Don't jump off the roof, you will break your bones" a threat? Is "No Swimming, Riptides" a demand?

In reading the Gospels, we see Jesus conversing and telling stories. He uses the analogy of treasures and blessings people find in their obedience to God and His Commandments. He then speaks of what it is like when one ignores God and His Commandments: The analogy now is that instead of finding treasure, it's like finding oneself in the city dump (Gehenna) where one will find worms which do not die.

Jesus set the example of obedience by being "obedient to death, even death on the cross".

 

[BreezeWood]

He then speaks of what it is like when one ignores God and His Commandments:

jesus repudiated judaism and their false commandments et al ... as self determination being the path to the everlasting.

where does meriweather find heavenly commandments than judaism's moses the liar - provide proof for any heavenly commandments including those found is all three desert bibles, used to persecute and victimize the innocent.

the only commandment from the heavens is the symbolic rainbow, symbolic of heavenly completion a sabbath required for judgement.

 

[Woodznutz]

jesus repudiated judaism and their false commandments et al ... as self determination being the path to the everlasting.

Yeah, everlasting death.

 

[Woodznutz]

jesus repudiated judaism and their false commandments et al ... as self determination being the path to the everlasting.

Yeah, everlasting death.
Rules and laws protect us. Lawlessness is destructive. Just look at all the sick people who ignore the rules of health so they can indulge in 'self-determination'.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yeah, everlasting death.

death is using deception for a religion, claiming heavenly personification where there is non - moses the liar and their false, madeup commandments. used for centuries to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[JoeB131]

There were human being before Adam and Eve. Their creation story is told in Genesis 1.

Adam and Eve were created in Genesis 2. By the separate description of Adam being created and then later Eve, the story shows something special about Adam and Eve different from the original humans.

Maybe they were the first humans with souls. Maybe they were pro-Jews in some way.

So when Cain was banished, he was banished to live with people outside of his specially created family.

That's how I read it. I'm no theologean or Biblical scholar.

It's an interesting read. The problem is that all of those people should have been wiped out in the flood.

Probably best not to quote mythology, as mythologies tend not to be consistent

 

[Woodznutz]

death is using deception for a religion, claiming heavenly personification where there is non - moses the liar and their false, madeup commandments. used for centuries to persecute and victimize the innocent.

Why do I feel blessed and not persecuted and victimized?