Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

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Surprised? When I was ten years old, I was going to Sunday school and could recite all of the books of the Bible in order. From there, I actually went to school for God, studied the entire theological field, but I also know science and understand the immutable reasons why we know certain things like the age of rocks, bones, stars and such.


No, the Scripture is the work of man supposedly taken from the word of god. Much of it is historical such as people and places, times and events, but the first part taken from the Torah about 3500 years ago is subject to interpretation as mythological at best, written to give the Bible a foundation, a beginning, within the ken of the very limited understanding of the people of the time.

It is not a matter of either/or. Science is science so unavoidably right, but scripture is immutable, up to the point where it conflicts with known, proven and verified science.

Oh gee...save your life stories for another. You can lie about them as you do everything else. In other words, you don't know shit, but you profess you do.

Oh....but the Scripture says it is the Word of God. So, you don't believe the Scripture but you want to use the Scripture. In other words you are full of shit.

So. Scripture says differently then your 'science'. But you believe your science instead of Scripture. Which is fine, because we know of whom you are of.

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No need. You have provided the evidence that support my conclusions. You brazenly defy the Law of God at mass, by turning to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life, and openly desecrate the words of Jesus (The Actual Body of Christ) by misleading others into "just believing" that spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food one day and flushed down the toilet the next. A vile and degrading practice.

You have your reward already! Death, descent into Hell, and final destruction unless you repent. I see you don't have the morals, ethics, honesty or humility to rise from the dead so enjoy your delusions for the rest of your days

Don't let the fact that your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field disturb your delusion. You will be an object lesson for everyone on earth who has the intelligence of a second grade student.

In other words, you have nothing to offer.

You are full of shit. Your phony god is full of shit. You can 't even answer simple questions.

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[toobfreak]

Oh gee...save your life stories for another.

Life story? You got to be kidding me. As to the rest of your BS, very revealing from someone who professes to be a holy roller bible thumper. If I had to guess, the one here knowing the least is staring back at you in the mirror.

Oh....but the Scripture says it is the Word of God.

The word of God comes to a person via their spiritual heart, not in some book printed out by Simon & Scheuster.

Scripture says differently then your 'science'. But you believe your science instead of Scripture.

Only in small, key parts here and there. The Bible does not dwell on much conflicted with science naturally since there was no real science back then and most of the Bible deals with historical events and theological matters of spirit. But where the Bible clashes with hard science, fool, it is no contest. We know with absolute certainty that some rocks on the Earth's surface can be traced back 3.5 billion years, not the 6,000 years in the Bible.

 

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Life story? You got to be kidding me. As to the rest of your BS, very revealing from someone who professes to be a holy roller bible thumper. If I had to guess, the one here knowing the least is staring back at you in the mirror.


The word of God comes to a person via their spiritual heart, not in some book printed out by Simon & Scheuster.


Only in small, key parts here and there. The Bible does not dwell on much conflicted with science naturally since there was no real science back then and most of the Bible deals with historical events and theological matters of spirit. But where the Bible clashes with hard science, fool, it is no contest. We know with absolute certainty that some rocks on the Earth's surface can be traced back 3.5 billion years, not the 6,000 years in the Bible.

No, not kidding. Save your life stories for another. I'm not interested. You can lie about that as well.

No, as I said, the Bible declares to be the Word of God. You don't believe it. You don't have to. I do. You believe your science.

No. Is the Bible the Word of God or not?

Where does the Bible say the earth is 6,000 years old?

Your science doesn't know absolute certainty about the age of the earth. It doesn't know how the earth or universe was created. And it doesn't believe the Biblical account.

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[toobfreak]

the Bible declares to be the Word of God.

Problem is that there is no other corroborating work out there to certify any of that.

You believe your science.

Science stands on proof. Anyone can go out there, repeat an experiment and see the scientific proof for themselves, otherwise, it isn't science. But science does not explain all, that is why we have religion. But religion does not tell us everything neither, that is why we have science.

As to why the universe is stuck with a charlatan like you is anybody's guess.

 

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Problem is that there is no other corroborating work out there to certify any of that.


Science stands on proof. Anyone can go out there, repeat an experiment and see the scientific proof for themselves, otherwise, it isn't science. But science does not explain all, that is why we have religion. But religion does not tell us everything neither, that is why we have science.

As to why the universe is stuck with a charlatan like you is anybody's guess.

See? You don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. You believe your science? Yet you posture yourself as being knowledgeable about God and the Bible.

I asked you where in the Bible does it say the earth is 6,000 years old?

Again, your science doesn't know how old the earth is with absolute certainty. Where did it come up with 3.5 billion years old?

How am I a charlatan? I believe the Bible is the Word of God and have said so.

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[toobfreak]

See? You don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.

Sure I do. The 98% which has not been proven scientifically impossible.

You believe your science?

Unlike you, science is. Like sunlight. Science is not a matter of belief, but of verifiable proof.

Yet you posture yourself as being knowledgeable about God and the Bible.

I assure you I know more than you.

 

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Sure I do. The 98% which has not been proven scientifically impossible.


Unlike you, science is. Like sunlight. Science is not a matter of belief, but of verifiable proof.


I assure you I know more than you.

No, you are lying. Then answer simply. Is the Bible the Word of God? Yes or no.

And you don't believe the Bible, you believe your science. Which is what I said.

Well, I asked you where in the Bible does it say the earth is 6,000 years old that you claim it does.

I asked you how science came up with 3.5 billion years old with absolute certainty.

I asked you what makes me a charlatan?

Did God create the heavens and the earth as told us in (Genesis)? Was any scientist's around to 'verify' that account?

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[toobfreak]

No, you are lying.

Nope. You're just a narrow-minded idiot.

 

[hobelim]

In other words, you have nothing to offer.

You are full of shit. Your phony god is full of shit.

Wow. I see you are doing an amazing job spreading the Gospel. However you might want to work on your social skills. Your rancor doesn't seem to be winning anyone over into believing in your trinity that diddled a virgin to become a supernatural mangod that was crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to that you can remain a sanctimonious asshole, sin with impunity for life, and not die "the death" that you so perfectly display unaware.

But don't despair. I'm sure many people will be very impressed by the many wonderful things throwing Jesus under the bus hoping to escape accountability and paying the penalty for your own sins has done for you.

I am.

 

[DennisPTate]

in the land of Nod?

I think this goes contrary to the first seven days in the Bible

This is an excellent question but there are other ways to look at this question?

Were there beings before Adam and Eve who could APPEAR to be human, just like Adam and Eve?

Does the ancient Testament of Moses, or "The Book of Adam and Eve" add relevant details to this topic?

Does the ancient Book of Enoch add details to this topic and question?

Chapter I - The crystal sea, God commands Adam, expelled from Eden, to live in the Cave of Treasures.

1 On the third day, God planted the garden in the east of the earth, on the border of the world eastward, beyond which, towards the sun-rising, one finds nothing but water, that encompasses the whole world, and reaches to the borders of heaven. 2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of water, clear and pure to the taste, unlike anything else; so that, through the clearness thereof, one may look into the depths of the earth. 3 And when a man washes himself in it, he becomes clean of the cleanness thereof, and white of its whiteness -- even if he were dark. 4 And God created that sea of his own good pleasure, for He knew what would come of the man He would make; so that after he had left the garden, on account of his transgression, men should be born in the earth. Among them are righteous ones who will die, whose souls God would raise at the last day; when all of them will return to their flesh, bathe in the water of that sea, and repent of their sins. 5 But when God made Adam go out of the garden, He did not place him on the border of it northward. This was so that he and Eve would not be able to go near to the sea of water where they could wash themselves in it, be cleansed from their sins, erase the transgression they had committed, and be no longer reminded of it in the thought of their punishment. 6 As to the southern side of the garden, God did not want Adam to live there either; because, when the wind blew from the north, it would bring him, on that southern side, the delicious smell of the trees of the garden. 7 Wherefore God did not put Adam there. This was so that he would not be able to smell the sweet smell of those trees, forget his transgression, and find consolation for what he had done by taking delight in the smell of the trees and yet not be cleansed from his transgression. 8 Again, also, because God is merciful and of great pity, and governs all things in a way that He alone knows -- He made our father Adam live in the western border of the garden, because on that side the earth is very broad. 9 And God commanded him to live there in a cave in a rock -- the Cave of Treasures below the garden.

Forgotten Books of Eden: First Book of Adam and Eve

Forgotten Books of Eden: First Book of Adam and Eve

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Wow. I see you are doing an amazing job spreading the Gospel. However you might want to work on your social skills. Your rancor doesn't seem to be winning anyone over into believing in your trinity that diddled a virgin to become a supernatural mangod that was crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to that you can remain a sanctimonious asshole, sin with impunity for life, and not die "the death" that you so perfectly display unaware.

But don't despair. I'm sure many people will be very impressed by the many wonderful things throwing Jesus under the bus hoping to escape accountability and paying the penalty for your own sins has done for you.

I am.

In other words, you are still full of shit. See post #(757). I answered your objections. You offer nothing in response but your usual bull shit.

Answer post #(757).

Again, answer the questions. If (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then tell me what it means? And tell me who is speaking? And are those writings the Word of God, oh phony one? And what is the name of your phony god you represent, oh phony one?

Why should I despair. I believe the Bible. Yes, escaping accountability is all about the salvation of God. Jesus took the accountability.

You ain't shit.

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[hobelim]

Why should I despair.

Why?

Because you died in the very day you first set aside the Law of my God to seek spiritual life from a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a Jewish mangod, a perfect human sacrifice, so that dimwitted believers like you can sin with impunity for life and not die the death for your reprehensible sins including celebrating the death of Jesus an innocent man, imagining that throwing Jesus under the bus absolves you from the penalty for your own sins.

But you don't despair because you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity and think there will be presents waiting for you in Hebbin as long as you can keep up your silly charade until you die again, the second death.

You are a very stupid man.

 

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Why?

Because you died in the very day you first set aside the Law of my God to seek spiritual life from a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a Jewish mangod, a perfect human sacrifice, so that dimwitted believers like you can sin with impunity for life and not die the death for your reprehensible sins including celebrating the death of Jesus an innocent man, imagining that throwing Jesus under the bus absolves you from the penalty for your own sins.

But you don't despair because you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity and think there will be presents waiting for you in Hebbin as long as you can keep up your silly charade until you die again, the second death.

You are a very stupid man.

Answer post (757).

Answer my questions oh phony one. If (Zechariah 5:1-3) is the writing of your god, then what does it mean? Tell me who is speaking? What is the name of your god? And is the writing the writing of God? Is the Bible the Word of God?

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