Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[Quantrill]

that's a stretch, who would say they had not sinned before learning not to sin would not have known what no longer should be committed - is not to say the heavenly goal from the 1st century and before is - to sin no more - and when accomplished is the path to judgement and admission to the everlasting ... a major reason christianity is a false religion.

Scripture is clear. Any who say they had not sinned is a liar.

To 'go and sin no more' pertains to the walk of salvation in this life. It doesn't suggest that it will occur.

Admission to everlasting life is based upon faith in Jesus Christ. Not upon one's ability to not sin.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Odd, they are MY questions, and to my mind, I'm not aware that you've answered a single one.

You just regurgitate some crap that satisfies you, if possible, some irrelevant and meaningless verse from the Bible that actually says nothing to the question I raised.

But then I forget---- one of the keys to successful Bible-thumping is taking any quote from anywhere in the Bible and then claiming it speaks to most whatever you want.

Gee, I bet you even think the Bible speaks to the problem of cellphone channel allotment conflicts!

See again post #(432).

Says a lot about your mind.

My answers come from the Bible. As your questions pertained to that in the Bible.

Again, if you don't want to know, don't ask.

Quantrill

 

[toobfreak]

Says a lot about your mind.

At least I have one to allow me to think for myself.

My answers come from the Bible.

So you claim. Scholars might differ.

Again, if you don't want to know, don't ask.

I want to know, but obviously, I need to ask someone better with actual answers.

 

[Woodznutz]

While I don't break the literal commandments (anymore) I do sin in thoughts and attitudes. You should hear me rail at thoughtless drivers. I also have little good to say about Congress.

 

[Quantrill]

At least I have one to allow me to think for myself.


So you claim. Scholars might differ.


I want to know, but obviously, I need to ask someone better with actual answers.

I don't care if you think for yourself. Just quit asking questions if you don't really want to know.

You just want answers you agree with, as though you know anything about it. Find your scholars you agree with and be happy.

No, you don't want to know. You ask me thinking your questions were going to stump me or cause confusion. Which they didn't. And when I could answer them using the Bible, you have to pretend they were never answered.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

In post #(459) I touched on some truths that can be expanded upon. Note these verses.

(1 Cor. 15:22) "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

(1 Cor. 15:45) "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

(1 Cor. 15:47) "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."

Quantrill

In these verses it is clear that Adam and Christ are being addressed. When it says 'in Adam all die', it means just that. All those in Adam die. Which means Adam is that Federal Head of the human race. His action of sin caused all of his race to sin.

When it says 'in Christ shall all be made alive' it too means what it says. All those in Christ will be made alive. Christ is the Federal Head of His race. Point being, you have to be 'in Christ', which comes by faith in Christ as Son of God and Saviour. All those who reject Christ remain in Adam.

Then Adam is called the first man in (1 Cor. 15:45) 'The first man Adam'. But Christ is called 'the last Adam'.

Then Adam is called again the first man in (1 Cor. 15:47). But Christ is called the second man.

It is understandable that Adam is the first man. But what does it men that Christ is the 'last Adam'?

And, what does it mean that Christ is the Second Man, when numerically He wasn't the second man?

Quantrill

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Pre Diluvial Proto Hominid

Modern humans have been around for about 250,000 years.

 

[Failzero]

Modern humans have been around for about 250,000 years.

Recent finds almost double that

 

[hobelim]

Yes I am a believer in God, Christ, and the Bible. And yes, I am a sinner. Being a sinner doesn't disqualify one from being in Christ. In fact, just the opposite is true. You must be sinner to be in Christ.

Wow.

Thats some weird twisted logic you have going on which contradicts what the Apostle John wrote who clearly said, "No man who dwells in him is a sinner. The sinner has not seen him and does not know him."

A sinner who believes and whose sins are covered.

If you claim to believe yet continue to sin you are only deceiving yourself. Either that or you have made sinfulness a deliberate choice which, in that case, you can only have a terrifying expectation of judgment. "Believing" that Jesus died for you doesn't spare you from the consequences of your own words and deeds. Its karma dummy.

Cause and effect. The proof that your sins aren't 'covered', whatever that means, is that you are in hell unaware.

And, you, by the way, have stated you do not sin. Yet (1 John 1:10) calls you a liar. "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Thats right. I am not a sinner. I always do exactly as God commands which is not the same thing as saying that I have not sinned. When I was a kid I was dragged to a church, made to pray to a cracker, and saw with my own eyes the moral turpitude of people accepting the reprehensible belief that because an innocent Jewish man was crucified, yay, they are no longer subject to the consequence for sin, death, a curse, that you so perfectly display.

Even as a kid I could see clearly that all those faithful "believers" were in a scary strange state of obliviousness, an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a very deep sleep, which is "the death", a curse, for sinning. I wasn't mystified or beguiled into a "belief" in the absurd. I remained aware and alive and completely disgusted.

What then?

Let me break it down for you. If the consequence for sin is death, and you are a sinner, then you are dead. Ta da!

If you believed in or even knew what Jesus taught you would not sin because its easy you would understand that the words used in the Law are figurative, the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. You do not eat the flesh of Jesus nor drink his blood. You dick around with bread and wine during an iniquitous Roman ritual defying my God and celebrating the death of an innocent Jewish man

However resplendent in your frock, father Vivian O'blivion, there is no life in you at all. Not even a flicker. Golem.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Recent finds almost double that

Yeah, still up in the air.

 

[hobelim]

I do sin in thoughts and attitudes. You should hear me rail at thoughtless drivers. I also have little good to say about Congress.

Who has anything good to say about a congress who is paying homage to a devil? And how is any of that sinful?

Its not. Don't be so hard on yourself feeling bad about what is not sin and priding yourself in what is sin, praying to a trinity that raped a virgin to become a human sacrifice. The Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence, conjured from the depths of a Mithraic hell and unleashed on the world in 325ce with all the powerful "miracles of the lie' that scripture is to be taken literally.

Do you love God, Jesus, your family, your neighbors, your country? Do something to save your own soul. Damn.

Don't be such a namby pamby.

NO ONE WHOSE BALLS HAVE BEEN CRUSHED CAN BECOME A MEMBER OF THE ASSEMBLY OF THE LORD

ITS THE LAW

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no such thing as sin. Its a childish, primitive, magical concept that relies on the unethical idea of thought crimes.

 

[hobelim]

There is no such thing as sin. Its a childish, primitive, magical concept that relies on the unethical idea of thought crimes.

Every action is preceded by a thought. Some are good, some not so much. True? BTW, the Law is not about crime and punishment. That is a childish and primitive concept. The Law is a teaching about cause and effect.

How is teaching people the importance of standing guard over the sanctity of your own mind, to distinguish between good and evil thoughts, to avoid the hell and insanity of becoming a degenerate scumbag unethical?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Every action is preceded by a thought. Some are good, some not so much. True? BTW, the Law is not about crime and punishment. Thats is a childish and primitive concept. The Law is a teaching about cause and effect.

How is teaching people the importance of standing guard over the sanctity of your own mind unethical?

I don't do the interrogation game, sorry.

Sin is a childish, magical concept that has no place in intelligent discourse or modern philosophy. It unethically shames children for thought crimes. It is unethically used to pry money from people. It is unethically used as a magical threat.

Any thinking person can come up with many more examples.

 

[Quantrill]

Wow.

Thats some weird twisted logic you have going on which contradicts what the Apostle John wrote who clearly said, "No man who dwells in him is a sinner. The sinner has not seen him and does not know him."


If you claim to believe yet continue to sin you are only deceiving yourself. Either that or you have made sinfulness a deliberate choice which, in that case, you can only have a terrifying expectation of judgment. "Believing" that Jesus died for you doesn't spare you from the consequences of your own words and deeds. Its karma dummy.

Cause and effect. The proof that your sins aren't 'covered', whatever that means, is that you are in hell unaware.


Thats right. I am not a sinner. I always do exactly as God commands which is not the same thing as saying that I have not sinned. When I was a kid I was dragged to a church, made to pray to a cracker, and saw with my own eyes the moral turpitude of people accepting the reprehensible belief that because an innocent Jewish man was crucified, yay, they are no longer subject to the consequence for sin, death, a curse, that you so perfectly display.

Even as a kid I could see clearly that all those faithful "believers" were in a scary strange state of obliviousness, an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a very deep sleep, which is "the death", a curse, for sinning. I wasn't mystified or beguiled into a "belief" in the absurd. I remained aware and alive and completely disgusted.

What then?

Let me break it down for you. If the consequence for sin is death, and you are a sinner, then you are dead. Ta da!

If you believed in or even knew what Jesus taught you would not sin because its easy you would understand that the words used in the Law are figurative, the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. You do not eat the flesh of Jesus nor drink his blood. You dick around with bread and wine during an iniquitous Roman ritual defying my God and celebrating the death of an innocent Jewish man

However resplendent in your frock, father Vivian O'blivion, there is no life in you at all. Not even a flicker. Golem.

Wow? Shows you know nothing about God and Christ and the Bible.

(Luke 19:7-10) "And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner...And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house...For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

If you're not a sinner, you don't need the Jesus of the Bible. Maybe your phony jesus accepts your goodness, the real Jesus does not.

Spare me the sad swan song. You have already been proved a liar. Anyone can make up a story.

No, in Christ I am alive because He has paid for all my sin. You will have to take it up with Him. And He is pretty persuasive.

Even on a believers best day, we are a sinner. Until we go to be with the Lord, we are a sinner. Your god is a phony. One of your making. Tell me His name. Show me his writings or writings about him. There are none, because you just made him up.

Quantrill

 

[hobelim]

I don't do the interrogation game, sorry.

Sin is a childish, magical concept that has no place in intelligent discourse or modern philosophy. It unethically shames children for thought crimes. It is unethically used to pry money from people. It is unethically used as a magical threat.

I agree that the idea of sin is used to fleece the gullible by many cults, con artists, and established religions, but that what I am saying exposes them all as actors and lying frauds. They don't know what sin is while claiming to be keepers of the moral law without understanding the meaning of the words or subjects about which they are so dogmatic.

Anyone can look at what they say and do and know that it's wrong, even evil, to mislead people in this way, but nothing is ever going to change, nothing will remove these immovable mountains from the human landscape unless people learn what is right, the truth, that they have been schnookered by crooks, and then do something about it to regain their self respect and sanity.

A time is coming, indeed it is already here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, even though he lived and died a very very long time ago, and all who listen will rise to life, and mountains will crumble, stars will fall from their lofty places, and valleys will be lifted up which has nothing to do with a cosmic catastrophe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I agree that the idea of sin is used to fleece the gullible by many cults, con artists, and established religions, but that what I am saying exposes them all as actors and lying frauds. They don't know what sin is while claiming to be keepers of the moral law without understanding the meaning of the words or subjects about which they are so dogmatic.

Anyone can look at what they say and do and know that it's wrong, even evil, to mislead people in this way, but nothing is ever going to change, nothing will remove these immovable mountains from the human landscape unless people learn what is right, the truth, that they have been schnookered by crooks, and then do something about it to regain their self respect and sanity.

A time is coming, indeed it is already here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, even though he lived and died a long time ago, and all who listen will rise to life and mountains will crumble, stars will fall from their lofty places, and valleys will be lifted up which has nothing to do with a cosmic catastrophe.

But the ease with which sin is used that way derives in full from its shaky ethical and intellectual basis.

 

[hobelim]

Even on a believers best day, we are a sinner. Until we go to be with the Lord, we are a sinner.

How many of you are there?

Your god is a phony. One of your making. Tell me His name. Show me his writings or writings about him. There are none, because you just made him up.

And I thought you read the Bible and are a believer.

Just goes to show that some religious people are full of shit from eating bread baked on human dung.

 

[hobelim]

But the ease with which sin is used that way derives in full from its shaky ethical and intellectual basis.

It was deliberately written that way to divert their numerous superstitious and violent enemies into a hell on earth.

C'mon now. A trinity diddled a virgin to become a perfect human sacrifice so that believers who celebrate his crucifixion and eat him can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life because God loved the Roman Empire so much. Damn. I didn't buy that shit when I was 8. The problem isn't with con artists, the problem remains because people are not taught critical thinking, indoctrinated in childhood to have "blind faith" and "just believe".

"So he drove the man out and to the east of Eden he stationed the Cherubim, with a flaming and flashing sword, THAT TURNS IN EVERY DIRECTION, to guard the way to the tree of life."

 

[Captain Caveman]

in the land of Nod?

I think this goes contrary to the first seven days in the Bible

To the thread question - Per the Bible, no. Per the person's agenda and beliefs, yes.

Also, the seven days. What was the gap between each of the days?