Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Oh gee, who are those Christians I am at odds with?

You know exactly what and who I mean. Save the bad acting for someone else.

And the point doesnt just apply to this thread, but also the world in general. As you also know.

 

[toobfreak]

No, I have pointed out that the Bible disagrees with you.

Sorry Son, the Bible disagrees with no one. It is YOU who disagrees and you are hiding behind your interpretation of the Bible, pretending you actually speak for it (that's a laugh).

I see it all of the time: armchair theists who think they speak for God and the Bible and that the Bible knows all and is perfect while later admitting that the Bible is all you know.

 

[Quantrill]

Meaningless. Every religion says a similar thing.


Show me where I said a person's eternal soul loves God? The soul is a plenary /portion/ of God, so God is always in touch with all of us through our souls which is really a plenary part of Him.


Only because you've been continually exposed to it all your life. You don't know even the first thing about the Garbhodakshayi Vishnu, you never even heard of it, so how can you form any opinion for it?


Your true nature is that all souls separated from God living as individual entities are sinners by virtue of their being apart from God. Sin is living apart from God, not any particular act you perform in life.

So what. Every religion doesn't represent Jesus Christ as the Bible does. If you want to follow another religion, I don't care. Go ahead. Be happy. I am Christian and represent the God and Christ of the Bible.

Your post #(265). That God is in touch with all means nothing. He is in touch with all who are in the Lake of Fire also. Make you feel better now?

Indeed, I don't ever remember a time when I wasn't a believer in Christ and God. And I don't care to know anything about the Garb..Vishnu.

No. Man's true nature is as a sinner separated from God. And God, and God alone has provided the Remedy for man, in Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Sorry Son, the Bible disagrees with no one. It is YOU who disagrees and you are hiding behind your interpretation of the Bible, pretending you actually speak for it (that's a laugh).

I see it all of the time: armchair theists who think they speak for God and the Bible and that the Bible knows all and is perfect while later admitting that the Bible is all you know.

Except I have shown that it is the Bible that disagrees with those who I am arguing with.

I don't need to 'later admit the Bible is all I know'. I admit that now. And have admitted it before. Save your false religions and writings for yourself and others. The Bible is the only Word of God in print on the earth.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

You know exactly what and who I mean. Save the bad acting for someone else.

And the point doesnt just apply to this thread, but also the world in general. As you also know.

No, I don't know exactly. Please tell me. Who are those Christians you speak of? And how do you know they are Christians? You assume much.

Quantrill

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, I don't know exactly.

Yes you do. I don't play this game.

 

[toobfreak]

I am Christian and represent the God and Christ of the Bible.

You are a Christian who represents yourself. You have no formal education in theocracy. God and Christ don't need you "representing" them. Especially as you suck.

I don't ever remember a time when I wasn't a believer in Christ and God.

Which makes you unqualified to critique Christianity since that is all you know. That would be like an animal born and living at night never seeing daylight trying to critique the Sun. You cannot guess at what you don't know.

God, and God alone has provided the Remedy for man, in Jesus Christ.

You believe that because the Bible has told you that. The fact is that it isn't the religion that is important--- what matters is having God in your life, not which discipline you practice to get there.

 

[toobfreak]

The Bible is the only Word of God in print on the earth.

Dude, you are plainly ignorant. Hinduism alone encompasses probably the equivalent of maybe 50 Bibles between the Rg Veda, the Upanishads, the Mahabharata, The Gita, the Srimad Bhagavatam, the Puranas, and others. And these books were all studied and perfected thousands of years before the Bible was even written.

Dude, you are a piker, like some little pup who stepped out on his master's back porch who now thinks he has seen the world.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Awww...are your feelings hurt? You want the touchy-feely stuff? Go somewhere else. Somewhere where they lie to you and make you feel good.

Quantrill

Now we know where the Christofascist tendency to burn dissenters at the stake came from

 

[Quantrill]

Yes you do. I don't play this game.

You brought it up. If you can't answer a simple question why get involved? Who are these 'Christians' you say I am arguing with? And how do you know they are Christian? Are you Christian?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

You are a Christian who represents yourself. You have no formal education in theocracy. God and Christ don't need you "representing" them. Especially as you suck.


Which makes you unqualified to critique Christianity since that is all you know. That would be like an animal born and living at night never seeing daylight trying to critique the Sun. You cannot guess at what you don't know.


You believe that because the Bible has told you that. The fact is that it isn't the religion that is important--- what matters is having God in your life, not which discipline you practice to get there.

God doesn't need anybody. But when one is a Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ, he represents Christ.

I don't need to know all the lies to know the Truth.

Yes, I believe what I do because the Bible says so. If you don't have Jesus Christ in your life, you don't have God in your life. You can be religious and spiritual but without God.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Dude, you are plainly ignorant. Hinduism alone encompasses probably the equivalent of maybe 50 Bibles between the Rg Veda, the Upanishads, the Mahabharata, The Gita, the Srimad Bhagavatam, the Puranas, and others. And these books were all studied and perfected thousands of years before the Bible was even written.

Dude, you are a piker, like some little pup who stepped out on his master's back porch who now thinks he has seen the world.

Gee, I'm not impressed. But go ahead and have your Hinduism if that is what you believe. I will stick with God and Christ and the Bible.

I view the world as the Bible presents it. Not as you and Hinduism present it.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Now we know where the Christofascist tendency to burn dissenters at the stake came from

Well, add that to your short list of what you know if it makes you feel good.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

It sure isnt. Thats why the last few thousand years have been devoted to Christians trying to interpret it.

Thats why you are at odds with other Christians in this thread.

Because the Bible is vague and nonsensical and self contradictory.

It's none of those things.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, it's a real question that you cannot answer. Because it shows the emptiness of your interpretation. You attribute God, and Adam and Eve as real, but the serpent as a 'literary construct'. Yet you cannot explain why. Why? Because you just do it at your on whim. Whatever fits the way you want to see God. Not the way Scripture declares God to be.

When Scripture goes against your way, then it is all metaphor and symbolic and to be interpreted by how you see it.

In other words, b.s.

Quantrill

What about Jesus, a real person, using a metaphor or parable. What's the contradiction there?

In the case of Eve and the serpent the language doesn't support the interpretation. The interpreters sometimes used words that support long-held beliefs regardless of their accuracy. Eve "put upon" (Hebrew: nagged) Adam into eating the fruit. The interpreters chose "gave" instead. Why is a mystery.

The serpent was a real being, but not a physical serpentine figure standing in the presence of God and Eve, but a powerful spirit being influencing Eve's thoughts. God told Eve that her curse would be painful childbirth, which he repeated. That pregnant women have eaten the soil of the ground for millennia reveals that the curse was meant for them, not for a spirit being.

 

[Woodznutz]

I already have. Go back and reread. Take notes if it helps.

Quantrill

What was your source for the word "belly"? Mine is the Hebrew dictionary.

 

[hobelim]

Remember....you said you have not sinned. Therefore, you make God a liar. And you show that you are a liar.

I didn't say I haven't sinned. I said I always do exactly as my God commands. If a person lacks understanding and wisdom and takes the words of the Law literally I'm an openly unrepentant sinner and pretty damn good at it.

Nice try at deflection, but not good enough you pusillanimous belly crawling twit......

How do you resolve what is written in 1 John 3:4-10 with your bullshit claim to be a sinner "in Christ"? Liar.

Yes, I am a sinner. But, I am 'in Christ'.

To commit sin is to break Gods Law: Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. Christ appeared, as you know, to do away with sins, and there is no sin in him. No man who dwells in him is a sinner; the sinner has not seen him and does not know him.

My children, do not be misled: it is the man who does what is right who is righteous, as God is righteous; the man who sins is a child of the devil, for the devil has been a sinner from the first; and the Son of God appeared for the very purpose of undoing the devils work.

A child of God does not commit sin, because the divine seed remains in him; he cannot be a sinner because he is God's child. That is the distinction between the children of God and the children of the devil: no one who does not do what is right is God's child, nor is anyone who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:4-10

 

[toobfreak]

Gee, I'm not impressed. But go ahead and have your Hinduism if that is what you believe. I will stick with God and Christ and the Bible.

Why do you have to "stick" with any of them? Why must you pick or choose? Why can't you just find it in your heart to embrace all religions, all systems of religious piety as a good thing? Why are you so afraid of even looking in on the details of another religion, especially one you know nothing about that was already older than Christianity is today back when Jesus lived? Why do you think that knowledge of another religion means an abdication of Christianity? Why is it that of all the world's religions, only two of them are so pushy and competetive, each claiming to be the only "right" and "true" religion: Islam and Christianity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's none of those things.

Of course it is all of those things, as you Christians are kind enough to demonstrate for us every single day on this board, with your debates.

 

[Woodznutz]

Of course it is all of those things, as you Christians are kind enough to demonstrate for us every single day on this board, with your debates.

How does differing opinions cast doubt on the Bible? Any doubt should be directed at those opinions.