Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[Quantrill]

You seem to be confounded. You claim to believe in the Bible so do you believe what is written in 1John 3:4-10?

You claim to be "a sinner in Christ" yet scripture clearly says that "No man who dwells in him is a sinner."

What should I believe? The Bible or you?

you said,


To which I responded with a letter from John, the apostle closest to Jesus and the only one who lived to old age;


"To commit sin is to break Gods Law: Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. Christ appeared, as you know, to do away with sins, and there is no sin in him. No man who dwells in him is a sinner; the sinner has not seen him and does not know him.

My children, do not be misled: it is the man who does what is right who is righteous, as God is righteous; the man who sins is a child of the devil, for the devil has been a sinner from the first; and the Son of God appeared for the very purpose of undoing the devils work.

A child of God does not commit sin, because the divine seed remains in him; he cannot be a sinner because he is God's child. That is the distinction between the children of God and the children of the devil: no one who does not do what is right is God's child, nor is anyone who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:4-10


How do you resolve the contradiction between what is written and what you claimed to be, "a sinner "in Christ"?

Take your time.....

Why take my time? Again, I explained. Go back and read post #(304).

I am not confounded. I proved you are a liar by your own confession. See post #(304).

There is no contradiction. See again post #(304).

The only contradiction is you when you said you do not sin. Yet (1 John 1:10) says you are a liar. And I have shown that you are a liar.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

There was no Adam and Eve. This myth is demonstrably false.

 

[Quantrill]

To reject your ridiculous irrational and reprehensible beliefs about Jesus, one part of a trinity that raped a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man, a perfect human sacrifice to himself, derp, so believers who worship and eat a matzo on their knees don't have to pay the penalty, the death, a curse, for idolatry is obedience to my God.

The Bible says differently. The Bible disagrees with you.

Your god is a phony just as you are a phony.

What is the name of your so-called god? Show me his writings that I can learn about him? Or, does he know how to write? Does he speak English? How does he communicate to you? Does he communicate with others? Who?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

There was no Adam and Eve. This myth is demonstrably false.

The Bible says there was. I believe the Bible, not you.

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[toobfreak]

Yes, as false religions.

I never met a false religion. Who decides those?

Because there is no other book Authored by God.

Really? I can think of maybe 70 or 80 of them. I mean, if God can author a book, why do you think he would stop at just one for one group of people at just one time? And why would he author a book written by dozens of people scattered over nearly 2000 years? Why not author it with just one person at one time?

Oh yes, God is vengeful.

Why would a God of infinite compassion and understanding be vengeful? And what does he have to be vengeful about? I mean, he is God! It isn't like anyone can get over on him or pull a dirty trick.

 

[Quantrill]

I never met a false religion. Who decides those?


Really? I can think of maybe 70 or 80 of them. I mean, if God can author a book, why do you think he would stop at just one for one group of people at just one time? And why would he author a book written by dozens of people scattered over nearly 2000 years? Why not author it with just one person at one time?


Why would a God of infinite compassion and understanding be vengeful? And what does he have to be vengeful about? I mean, he is God! It isn't like anyone can get over on him or pull a dirty trick.

All religions outside of the true faith in the true God of the Bible are false.

Well, choose the one you like and follow it. Because He said all He wanted to say, all He wanted to reveal, in the Bible. And, though the Jews are God's chosen earthly people, and special significance is given them, His plan is for the Gentiles also. God didn't Author the Bible through one person at one time because the movements of history were necessary to write it. The individual writers were writing to a certain Godly purpose at their time that was affecting them. But God was using that historical setting to add another book to His One Book, the Bible. It is a miraculous Book.

Because not all people are of God. And they hate God. And they hate the things of God. And they hate the people of God. And they do hateful things against God and His people. And there are angels who cast their lot with Satan and are destructive to God's purpose and God's people also. And vengeance is necessary to bring judgement against these evils.

(Deut. 32:35) "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste."

This also pertains to the people of God when they turn away from God. (Heb. 10:30) "For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the LORD. And again, The Lord shall judge his people." Read (Heb. 10:26-31) for the complete picture.

Yes, He is God full of compassion....and justice.

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[toobfreak]

All religions outside of the true faith in the true God of the Bible are false.

Blah, blah, blah, still waiting for the proof, doughboy.

Tell me, do you ever do anything but blow your piehole? Show me some actual, solid proof is all I ask.

 

[Quantrill]

Blah, blah, blah, still waiting for the proof, doughboy.

Tell me, do you ever do anything but blow your piehole? Show me some actual, solid proof is all I ask.

I showed you the Scriptures. You asked and I answered. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

Go find one of those other religions where you have your solid proof. And be happy with it.

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[Woodznutz]

Why is Jesus a real person? Why isn't He a 'literary construct'? If Jesus spoke using a parable, you know it is a parable. No contradiction when a metaphor or parable is used. The problem in (Gen. 3:1), is no metaphor or parable is indicated. You need it to be a metaphor because you don't believe it.

In the case of Eve, you wrongfully directed God's statement and curse upon the Serpent, to Eve, as I already pointed out. Thus, you are out to lunch right off the bat.

The serpent was a real serpent whom Satan used. And because he was used by Satan, the serpent was cursed. And, the serpent is identified with other beasts God had made. (Gen. 3:1)

Your women eating dirt plays no role in the interpretation. Just shows the women you go with.

Quantrill

Snakes don't eat dirt, pregnant women do. God cursed the serpent and the woman in that he lowered their state/estate. Eve was Adam's equal before her sin. Afterwards she would be ruled by him, and suffer painful childbirth. The spirit 'serpent' was cast down from a glorious state to an ignominious one, not physically, as spirits are disembodied, but metaphorically. But let's say there was a serpentine figure in the garden that was cast down. It was a one-time event to a single entity. Women have had desire for their husbands and painful childbirth to this very day. Note that Satan is the "god of this world". Hardly an ignominious position.

 

[Woodznutz]

Really. What was the word and definition?

Quantrill

My research revealed that the word "belly" used in reference to the serpent was a one-time use of that word and does refer to "the belly of a serpent or snake", so I have to backtrack on that. All other uses of the term refer to pregnancy or childbirth. However, the curse of 'eating dust' and 'going on your belly' is still a metaphor for the lowered spiritual state of the 'deceiver', Satan.

The idea of Satan as a serpent is anthropomorphized from the subtlety of snakes (deception) and their hissing, which is likened to the 'whispering' of a deceiver. Satan 'whispered' into Eve's ear, from inside of her head of course. Thus a 'literal' serpent was constructed.

 

[Woodznutz]

It shows the Bible is vague and self contradictory. Doubt? Ha, you all seem VERY confident in your differing interpretations. But no two differing ones can both be true.

So you see the problem.

Most contradictions are easily explain. Others are the work of the translators or 'sneaky snake' himself. There is little that isn't understood.

 

[Quantrill]

Snakes don't eat dirt, pregnant women do. God cursed the serpent and the woman in that he lowered their state/estate. Eve was Adam's equal before her sin. Afterwards she would be ruled by him, and suffer painful childbirth. The spirit 'serpent' was cast down from a glorious state to an ignominious one, not physically, as spirits are disembodied, but metaphorically. But let's say there was a serpentine figure in the garden that was cast down. It was a one-time event to a single entity. Women have had desire for their husbands and painful childbirth to this very day. Note that Satan is the "god of this world". Hardly an ignominious position.

Snakes probably eat a lot more dust than you think, since they crawl on their belly. And just because you found some strange women who eat dirt doesn't mean women eat dirt. Just ask around and see how many women eat dirt.

Nothing you want to dream up changes (Gen. 3:13) "And the LORD God said unto the woman..." And (Gen. 3:14). "And the LORD God said unto the serpent...." And (Gen. 3:16) "Unto the woman he said...." And (Gen. 3:17). "And unto Adam he said..."

No metaphor is indicated in (Gen. 3). All is to be understood literally.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

It didn't matter if Adam knew what sin was. All that mattered is that he knew he was commanded by God to not eat of the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Yes, Adam died the moment he ate the fruit, just as Eve did. His physical death began immediately working in him and his spirit was at that moment separated from God.

Well, your Rabbis are wrong. And why would you trust them anyway when they have rejected God the whole time?

Quantrill

Adam never died he was supposed to eat the fruit. That was Gods plan in the allegory. Christianity is based on a lie. There was no original sin

 

[Quantrill]

My research revealed that the word "belly" used in reference to the serpent was a one-time use of that word and does refer to "the belly of a serpent or snake", so I have to backtrack on that. All other uses of the term refer to pregnancy or childbirth. However, the curse of 'eating dust' and 'going on your belly' is still a metaphor for the lowered spiritual state of the 'deceiver', Satan.

The idea of Satan as a serpent is anthropomorphized from the subtlety of snakes (deception) and their hissing, which is likened to the 'whispering' of a deceiver. Satan 'whispered' into Eve's ear, from inside of her head of course. Thus a 'literal' serpent was constructed.

The serpent eating dust is no metaphor. For the curse upon the serpent to crawl on his belly reveals the serpent was once upright. But now on his belly, he will eat a lot of dust. It doesn't mean his diet his dust, but because he lives and moves on his belly he will eat a lot of dust.

Satan was already in a low spiritual state. He was already fallen. He couldn't get any lower than he already was. He used the serpent in the garden, possessed the serpent, spoke using the serpent. But the serpent was still a serpent. And because the serpent was used, he was cursed.

Satan most assuredly was behind the serpents talking and tempting Eve. And so both are being addressed by God. To the serpent, he goes upon his belly and eats of the dust. To Satan, God puts enmity between his seed and the womans seed. Satan's seed shall bruise the seed of the woman. But the seed of the woman shall crush Satan's seed. To the serpent was given a curse. To Satan was given the promise of his defeat.

Quantrill

 

[toobfreak]

I showed you the Scriptures.

You showed nothing. Worse, anything you did show said or proved nothing of any of the questions I asked. Worse yet, they said nothing of the origins of mankind. Your quotes are so vague they could mean anything and your explanations of their meaning carry no more weight than anyone else's.

 

[Woodznutz]

Adam never died he was supposed to eat the fruit. That was Gods plan in the allegory. Christianity is based on a lie. There was no original sin

The 'original sin' was the rebellion of Lucifer. Eve just reenacted it in the garden. Eve was a type of Lucifer. Adam was a type of God who was betrayed by Lucifer.

 

[Woodznutz]

The serpent eating dust is no metaphor. For the curse upon the serpent to crawl on his belly reveals the serpent was once upright. But now on his belly, he will eat a lot of dust. It doesn't mean his diet his dust, but because he lives and moves on his belly he will eat a lot of dust.

Satan was already in a low spiritual state. He was already fallen. He couldn't get any lower than he already was. He used the serpent in the garden, possessed the serpent, spoke using the serpent. But the serpent was still a serpent. And because the serpent was used, he was cursed.

Satan most assuredly was behind the serpents talking and tempting Eve. And so both are being addressed by God. To the serpent, he goes upon his belly and eats of the dust. To Satan, God puts enmity between his seed and the womans seed. Satan's seed shall bruise the seed of the woman. But the seed of the woman shall crush Satan's seed. To the serpent was given a curse. To Satan was given the promise of his defeat.

Quantrill

So, the serpent was a living metaphor (that eventually died). I can go with that. Lucifer/Satan's state i.e status was reduced but not his power, which is pretty evident.

 

[Woodznutz]

And just because you found some strange women who eat dirt doesn't mean women eat dirt. Just ask around and see how many women eat dirt.



Quantrill

Enough women eat dirt and clay that it's sold on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/edible-dirt/s?k=edible+dirt&tag=usmb-20

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Bible says there was. I believe the Bible, not you.

So what? Believe whatever you like. Just dont expect to pass a biology quiz.

 

[Hafar1014]

The 'original sin' was the rebellion of Lucifer. Eve just reenacted it in the garden. Eve was a type of Lucifer. Adam was a type of God who was betrayed by Lucifer.

So how long have you hated women