Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

[sparky]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

these 'f*ckin' 28 pages>>>>
The Declassified 28 Pages

Note they are still censored..... The then standing Congress were breifed in closed session, the rest of America was not.

So all you consipraotor theorists can keep chuggin' along , as long as we've little to no transparency and clarity in governance y'all portray the signs/sympthoms of a failed system


~S~

So how do those 28 pages prove that the planes did not cause any damage?

well, we'll never know unless they become completely declassified, will we ?

~S~

 

[Muhammed]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

these 'f*ckin' 28 pages>>>>
The Declassified 28 Pages

Note they are still censored..... The then standing Congress were breifed in closed session, the rest of America was not.

So all you consipraotor theorists can keep chuggin' along , as long as we've little to no transparency and clarity in governance y'all portray the signs/sympthoms of a failed system


~S~

So how do those 28 pages prove that the planes did not cause any damage?

well, we'll never know unless they become completely declassified, will we ?

~S~

It takes a real stupid motherfucker to believe that a congressional report can somehow prove that a jumbo jet doesn't do any damage when it hits an office building at 500MPH.

 

[munkle]

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

Especially the plane hit on the South Tower which was at an angle missing most of the core columns, yet that tower was the first to disappear. The towers were designed to have maximum floor space so the core columns were bundled toward the center.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

Especially the plane hit on the South Tower which was at an angle missing most of the core columns, yet that tower was the first to disappear. The towers were designed to have maximum floor space so the core columns were bundled toward the center.

This is incorrect. The floors were anchored to the outside wall structure and not the core of the building which housed the elevators.

You information was obviously put together by an amateur conspiracy theorist at best and a dumbass at the least! That is why when the upper floors collapsed, they pancaked downward, taking every floor all the way to the ground.

 

[Likkmee]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

The ones sitting on top of the dozens of surveillance tapes/discs from all the nearby buildings that were immediately confiscated.I wonder if all those FBI guys are dead or never got to look at them so still living ?

 

[Muhammed]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

The ones sitting on top of the dozens of surveillance tapes/discs from all the nearby buildings that were immediately confiscated.I wonder if all those FBI guys are dead or never got to look at them so still living ?

How many more tapes do you need to see to know exactly what happened?

I didn't need many to conclude with 100% certainty that the WTC buildings were destroyed by airplanes.

 

[sparky]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

The ones sitting on top of the dozens of surveillance tapes/discs from all the nearby buildings that were immediately confiscated.I wonder if all those FBI guys are dead or never got to look at them so still living ?

How many more tapes do you need to see to know exactly what happened?

I didn't need many to conclude with 100% certainty that the WTC buildings were destroyed by airplanes.

well there's 'what', 'who' 'how' 'who knew' 'who profited' ,along with seditious players

why do you think they want it kept classified?

~S~

 

[Muhammed]

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

The ones sitting on top of the dozens of surveillance tapes/discs from all the nearby buildings that were immediately confiscated.I wonder if all those FBI guys are dead or never got to look at them so still living ?

How many more tapes do you need to see to know exactly what happened?

I didn't need many to conclude with 100% certainty that the WTC buildings were destroyed by airplanes.

well there's 'what', 'who' 'how' 'who knew' 'who profited' ,along with seditious players

why do you think they want it kept classified?

~S~

Perhaps it contains embarrassing information about congress critters. But who the fuck cares what congress said.

The fact remains that the buildings were destroyed by airplanes. And anyone who cannot plainly see that is a SADFI.

 

[munkle]

nearly 2 decades of ridiculous 9/11 conclusions


those 28 pages we'll never see are a matter of national security


don't you wonder who's security they're protecting ?


~S~

What fucking 28 pages?

The ones sitting on top of the dozens of surveillance tapes/discs from all the nearby buildings that were immediately confiscated.I wonder if all those FBI guys are dead or never got to look at them so still living ?

How many more tapes do you need to see to know exactly what happened?

I didn't need many to conclude with 100% certainty that the WTC buildings were destroyed by airplanes.

well there's 'what', 'who' 'how' 'who knew' 'who profited' ,along with seditious players

why do you think they want it kept classified?

~S~

Perhaps it contains embarrassing information about congress critters. But who the fuck cares what congress said.

The fact remains that the buildings were destroyed by airplanes. And anyone who cannot plainly see that is a SADFI.

Yep like Ali Baba and his flying magic carpet.

 

[munkle]

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Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

Yes the official story violates the laws of thermodynamics. If you assumed that all 10,000 gallons of jet fuel - which is only kerosene - spilled into the towers - and that every bit of office furniture was on fire, you still wouldn’t have enough heat-energy to get any significant portion of the tower steel much higher 600F. NIST did not find any samples of steel which reached more than about 500F. Steel is an excellent heat conductor, and the frames were a giant heat sink which wicked heat away from the impact zones.

You might have pockets of air at 1,000F - 1,200F, or higher, for a few seconds prior to “flashover,” which is a sudden combustion of gases. But even if steel is at 50% strength, which happens at around 1,000F, skyscrapers are made with a five-times maximum load safety factor, meaning at this load you begin to get buckling and partial failures, more creaking and sagging over a period of time, never a sudden disappearance of the whole structure.

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers which were 2,000 times an airliner’s weight, steel vs. aluminum. A fully loaded 767 weighs 200 tons. Each tower weighed 450,000 tons, one quarter of that the steel frame. Think of how much you can load up on a 50 pound barbell bar at the gym. Easily 500 pounds without bending, 10 times the weight of the bar. Steel is very strong. The hollow aluminum tubes of the airplanes were shredded like aluminum cans fired at an anvil. The towers were earthquake-proof and already built for plane hits according to building code, since a bomber accidentally hit the Empire State Building in 1945. They were built to stay standing even with half or more of the main vertical support columns cut at the base.

It is impossible to get steel to forgery temperatures, meaning 2,000F - to 2,600F, with only an open air supply. Air needs to be mechanically forced into a burn in order for steel to become malleable. Such as a bellows or the air pump in a blast furnace, which is how it gets its name, it “blasts” air into the coal or other fuel. You could pour kerosene (which is what airliner fuel is, called Jet A) on an I-beam all day long and burn it, and you’ll just get an I-beam that’s too hot to touch. Carbon steel starts to glow red at 1,100F, and melts at 2,600F. You can easily get your woodstove to 1,000F, and there is no danger of it suddenly dribbling into the ground.

Steel is forged at about 2,200F, and still requires significant force to bend. At high temperatures steel is mushy like clay. That is why the behavior of the towers on 9/11 is so suspicious. You didn’t see a slow, long sagging to the ground. The towers suddenly, literally, blew themselves apart. There were chunks of frame a football field away. Most of the frame was not twisted or heat-deformed. It was in nice, straight pieces.

Almost all of the steel below the impact zones was strong and intact. Firefighters in the South Tower radioed that the fires were almost out on the 78th floor, where they were, which was the impact zone of the second plane.

In the end it is important to understand that open air fires can twist, deform, and cause steel to buckle, but not to the point of total failure of all structural components simultaneously. That requires a pre-wired demolition. The tower destruction line accelerated toward the ground at the same speed as a falling rock. That is impossible and violates the laws of thermodynamics, as well as the laws of physics. It violates the laws of physics because any falling mass that meets resistance goes slower than free fall acceleration. The lower intact towers, even if very hot, would have offered enormous resistance. Steel skyscrapers have burned, fully engulfed, like torches for over 20 hours and never collapsed.

The idea that the the top one-fourth of each tower suddenly crushed the lower, heavier and stronger three-quarters, in mere seconds is laughable cartoon physics. A few floors falling would not suddenly crush everything beneath it without a lot of help. When you combine this with clear evidence of explosives, such as both reacted and unreacted nanothermite in the dust, the molten pools of steel in the basements, the blown out windows across the WTC complex, the collapse of WTC7 which was not even hit by a plane, and other evidence, and it becomes clear that the official is a farce intended to push the US into war. For more info go to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Close up of tower destruction

I will address the part of the explanation I came to first, which I believe I can help enlighten you on.

If there are other points which have nothing to do with this post of mine, I have no opinion or scientific knowledge to add.

Take a wire coat hanger and unravel it so that it is as straight as needed to break the wire into two pieces.

Bend the two opposite ends of the wire toward each other and then back the other way and try to break the wire at a joint.

Bending it back and forward repeatedly makes the task of each bend easier because you are heating the metal and applying force to it and also by bending it back and forth rapidly and repeatedly, you are heating the metal.

Keep doing that motion until the wire is in two pieces.

Now quickly feel the wire.

It feels warm to the touch.

Almost hot.

What you have demonstrated is that metal will weaken and lose strength when it is heated and enough force us exerted on it.

The temperature needn't be hot enough to melt the steel.

Just hot enough to weaken it so it cannot support the weight that it did at ambient temperatures.

Force + heat.

Heat + force.

It broke your wire coat hanger.

The extra weight of the plane plus the heat from the burning fuel was enough to weaken the structure and start the floors to pancake downward.

Each floor added hundreds of thousands of pounds of weight to the floor below all the accumulated weight added to the force hitting the floor below it.

The burning fuel heated the steel enough so it was no longer strong enough to support the weight of the building.

Heat + force.

Heat only needs to warm the steel to weaken it until it can't support the forces it could when at lower temperatures.

Heat and force.

I'd bet there is a graph that shows a sliding scale with higher temperatures requiring less force to make the steel fail.

Or conversely, with lower temperatures, more weight would be needed to make the steel fail.

Heating the steel at that temperature, for that length of time and with that amount of weight made it weaken enough to fail.

The heat and fires in the buildings were no different than any of hundreds of steel-frame building fires in history, and far less severe than many. You need to remember jet fuel is only kerosene, and burns no hotter or longer than what you put in your hurricane lamp or start your barbecue with. And most of it was blown out in the fireballs anyway, about 10,000 gallons which is a half-fueled 767 bound for California. A full load would be about 25,000 gallons.

That's why tall buildings are all made with steel. A large fire might gut it, cause partial buckling in areas and partial collapse, but never total failure of a structure, and certainly not in seconds. Steel is too strong, and the frame is interconnect with cross-bracing and gusset plates that transfer load from compromised columns to sound ones.
The fires were confined to the impact areas and already going out, as evidenced by the black smoke of cool, oxygen starved fires. Firefighters inside were on the burning floors, and reported that the fires were almost out, which is what you would expect from fire retardant furniture and absent a forced oxygen supply like a strong wind.

Here is a witness who was on the 78th floor of the South Tower who described the fires as "Flames licking the wall, starved of Oxygen". Thermal imaging shows there where no raging hot fires anywhere in the building.



Chief Orio Palmer from the 78th floor radioed and said:

"Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines (hoses)"September 11th FDNY Radio Transcripts - Wikisource, the free online library

So you had solid structure for the lower three- quarters of both towers, which then comes plowing down on itself, ejecting multi-ton beams and perimeter wall for a quarter mile around, mostly in straight pieces, then you find nanothermite in the dust and molten steel in the basements, and other parts of the story like an amateur pilot flew a circle dive around the Pentagon like a Chuck Yeager and nailed his target with plus or minus ten feet. Once you study the official account the real nutters are the ones who believe it.

What a real blazing inferno looks like, never collapses:

Hotel Mandarin Oriental fire, burned 3 hours no sign of collapse

Man trying to light jet fuel on fire, it's only kerosene.



Debris field

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Did you hear the one about how every Jew who worked in the World Trade Center got a call that morning telling him or her to call in sick?

They all did.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

This troll,always posts that crap.when he can’t counter facts.

 

[justinacolmena]

But even if steel is at 50% strength, which happens at around 1,000F, skyscrapers are made with a five-times maximum load safety factor, meaning at this load you begin to get buckling and partial failures, more creaking and sagging over a period of time, never a sudden disappearance of the whole structure

Steel is at much, much less than 50% of its original strength by the time it begins to glow red.

And even if the steel did retain 50% of it's strength in PSI, the load safety margin is reduced from 5x to 2.5x.

The force of the impact from the airplanes hitting the building pushed the posts and beams out of alignment, ripped apart the joints where they were bolted together, and further damaged the structural integrity and load bearing capacity of the steel.

Even a breeze or a change in air currents was enough at that point to trigger total collapse.

 

[the other mike]

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Best Quora Answer: Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics? | 9/11 Truth | Pinterest


Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

Yes the official story violates the laws of thermodynamics. If you assumed that all 10,000 gallons of jet fuel - which is only kerosene - spilled into the towers - and that every bit of office furniture was on fire, you still wouldn’t have enough heat-energy to get any significant portion of the tower steel much higher 600F. NIST did not find any samples of steel which reached more than about 500F. Steel is an excellent heat conductor, and the frames were a giant heat sink which wicked heat away from the impact zones.

You might have pockets of air at 1,000F - 1,200F, or higher, for a few seconds prior to “flashover,” which is a sudden combustion of gases. But even if steel is at 50% strength, which happens at around 1,000F, skyscrapers are made with a five-times maximum load safety factor, meaning at this load you begin to get buckling and partial failures, more creaking and sagging over a period of time, never a sudden disappearance of the whole structure.

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers which were 2,000 times an airliner’s weight, steel vs. aluminum. A fully loaded 767 weighs 200 tons. Each tower weighed 450,000 tons, one quarter of that the steel frame. Think of how much you can load up on a 50 pound barbell bar at the gym. Easily 500 pounds without bending, 10 times the weight of the bar. Steel is very strong. The hollow aluminum tubes of the airplanes were shredded like aluminum cans fired at an anvil. The towers were earthquake-proof and already built for plane hits according to building code, since a bomber accidentally hit the Empire State Building in 1945. They were built to stay standing even with half or more of the main vertical support columns cut at the base.

It is impossible to get steel to forgery temperatures, meaning 2,000F - to 2,600F, with only an open air supply. Air needs to be mechanically forced into a burn in order for steel to become malleable. Such as a bellows or the air pump in a blast furnace, which is how it gets its name, it “blasts” air into the coal or other fuel. You could pour kerosene (which is what airliner fuel is, called Jet A) on an I-beam all day long and burn it, and you’ll just get an I-beam that’s too hot to touch. Carbon steel starts to glow red at 1,100F, and melts at 2,600F. You can easily get your woodstove to 1,000F, and there is no danger of it suddenly dribbling into the ground.

Steel is forged at about 2,200F, and still requires significant force to bend. At high temperatures steel is mushy like clay. That is why the behavior of the towers on 9/11 is so suspicious. You didn’t see a slow, long sagging to the ground. The towers suddenly, literally, blew themselves apart. There were chunks of frame a football field away. Most of the frame was not twisted or heat-deformed. It was in nice, straight pieces.

Almost all of the steel below the impact zones was strong and intact. Firefighters in the South Tower radioed that the fires were almost out on the 78th floor, where they were, which was the impact zone of the second plane.

In the end it is important to understand that open air fires can twist, deform, and cause steel to buckle, but not to the point of total failure of all structural components simultaneously. That requires a pre-wired demolition. The tower destruction line accelerated toward the ground at the same speed as a falling rock. That is impossible and violates the laws of thermodynamics, as well as the laws of physics. It violates the laws of physics because any falling mass that meets resistance goes slower than free fall acceleration. The lower intact towers, even if very hot, would have offered enormous resistance. Steel skyscrapers have burned, fully engulfed, like torches for over 20 hours and never collapsed.

The idea that the the top one-fourth of each tower suddenly crushed the lower, heavier and stronger three-quarters, in mere seconds is laughable cartoon physics. A few floors falling would not suddenly crush everything beneath it without a lot of help. When you combine this with clear evidence of explosives, such as both reacted and unreacted nanothermite in the dust, the molten pools of steel in the basements, the blown out windows across the WTC complex, the collapse of WTC7 which was not even hit by a plane, and other evidence, and it becomes clear that the official is a farce intended to push the US into war. For more info go to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Close up of tower destruction

If LA RAM FAN and I agree it must be true.

 

[the other mike]

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Best Quora Answer: Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics? | 9/11 Truth | Pinterest


Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

Yes the official story violates the laws of thermodynamics. If you assumed that all 10,000 gallons of jet fuel - which is only kerosene - spilled into the towers - and that every bit of office furniture was on fire, you still wouldn’t have enough heat-energy to get any significant portion of the tower steel much higher 600F. NIST did not find any samples of steel which reached more than about 500F. Steel is an excellent heat conductor, and the frames were a giant heat sink which wicked heat away from the impact zones.

You might have pockets of air at 1,000F - 1,200F, or higher, for a few seconds prior to “flashover,” which is a sudden combustion of gases. But even if steel is at 50% strength, which happens at around 1,000F, skyscrapers are made with a five-times maximum load safety factor, meaning at this load you begin to get buckling and partial failures, more creaking and sagging over a period of time, never a sudden disappearance of the whole structure.

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers which were 2,000 times an airliner’s weight, steel vs. aluminum. A fully loaded 767 weighs 200 tons. Each tower weighed 450,000 tons, one quarter of that the steel frame. Think of how much you can load up on a 50 pound barbell bar at the gym. Easily 500 pounds without bending, 10 times the weight of the bar. Steel is very strong. The hollow aluminum tubes of the airplanes were shredded like aluminum cans fired at an anvil. The towers were earthquake-proof and already built for plane hits according to building code, since a bomber accidentally hit the Empire State Building in 1945. They were built to stay standing even with half or more of the main vertical support columns cut at the base.

It is impossible to get steel to forgery temperatures, meaning 2,000F - to 2,600F, with only an open air supply. Air needs to be mechanically forced into a burn in order for steel to become malleable. Such as a bellows or the air pump in a blast furnace, which is how it gets its name, it “blasts” air into the coal or other fuel. You could pour kerosene (which is what airliner fuel is, called Jet A) on an I-beam all day long and burn it, and you’ll just get an I-beam that’s too hot to touch. Carbon steel starts to glow red at 1,100F, and melts at 2,600F. You can easily get your woodstove to 1,000F, and there is no danger of it suddenly dribbling into the ground.

Steel is forged at about 2,200F, and still requires significant force to bend. At high temperatures steel is mushy like clay. That is why the behavior of the towers on 9/11 is so suspicious. You didn’t see a slow, long sagging to the ground. The towers suddenly, literally, blew themselves apart. There were chunks of frame a football field away. Most of the frame was not twisted or heat-deformed. It was in nice, straight pieces.

Almost all of the steel below the impact zones was strong and intact. Firefighters in the South Tower radioed that the fires were almost out on the 78th floor, where they were, which was the impact zone of the second plane.

In the end it is important to understand that open air fires can twist, deform, and cause steel to buckle, but not to the point of total failure of all structural components simultaneously. That requires a pre-wired demolition. The tower destruction line accelerated toward the ground at the same speed as a falling rock. That is impossible and violates the laws of thermodynamics, as well as the laws of physics. It violates the laws of physics because any falling mass that meets resistance goes slower than free fall acceleration. The lower intact towers, even if very hot, would have offered enormous resistance. Steel skyscrapers have burned, fully engulfed, like torches for over 20 hours and never collapsed.

The idea that the the top one-fourth of each tower suddenly crushed the lower, heavier and stronger three-quarters, in mere seconds is laughable cartoon physics. A few floors falling would not suddenly crush everything beneath it without a lot of help. When you combine this with clear evidence of explosives, such as both reacted and unreacted nanothermite in the dust, the molten pools of steel in the basements, the blown out windows across the WTC complex, the collapse of WTC7 which was not even hit by a plane, and other evidence, and it becomes clear that the official is a farce intended to push the US into war. For more info go to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Close up of tower destruction

Also look up our boy J Paul Bremer.
His company Marsh & McLennan took a direct hit from one of the planes (almost 300 employees died) but miraculously , just like his buddy Larry Silverstein and his daughter and a few others ,he wasn't at work that day..... on MSNBC I believe talking about how it was Osama bin Laden who did it then after that he was made guess what.... director of something in Iraq.

 

[Soupnazi630]

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Best Quora Answer: Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics? | 9/11 Truth | Pinterest


Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

Yes the official story violates the laws of thermodynamics. If you assumed that all 10,000 gallons of jet fuel - which is only kerosene - spilled into the towers - and that every bit of office furniture was on fire, you still wouldn’t have enough heat-energy to get any significant portion of the tower steel much higher 600F. NIST did not find any samples of steel which reached more than about 500F. Steel is an excellent heat conductor, and the frames were a giant heat sink which wicked heat away from the impact zones.

You might have pockets of air at 1,000F - 1,200F, or higher, for a few seconds prior to “flashover,” which is a sudden combustion of gases. But even if steel is at 50% strength, which happens at around 1,000F, skyscrapers are made with a five-times maximum load safety factor, meaning at this load you begin to get buckling and partial failures, more creaking and sagging over a period of time, never a sudden disappearance of the whole structure.

The plane hit damage was negligible to the towers which were 2,000 times an airliner’s weight, steel vs. aluminum. A fully loaded 767 weighs 200 tons. Each tower weighed 450,000 tons, one quarter of that the steel frame. Think of how much you can load up on a 50 pound barbell bar at the gym. Easily 500 pounds without bending, 10 times the weight of the bar. Steel is very strong. The hollow aluminum tubes of the airplanes were shredded like aluminum cans fired at an anvil. The towers were earthquake-proof and already built for plane hits according to building code, since a bomber accidentally hit the Empire State Building in 1945. They were built to stay standing even with half or more of the main vertical support columns cut at the base.

It is impossible to get steel to forgery temperatures, meaning 2,000F - to 2,600F, with only an open air supply. Air needs to be mechanically forced into a burn in order for steel to become malleable. Such as a bellows or the air pump in a blast furnace, which is how it gets its name, it “blasts” air into the coal or other fuel. You could pour kerosene (which is what airliner fuel is, called Jet A) on an I-beam all day long and burn it, and you’ll just get an I-beam that’s too hot to touch. Carbon steel starts to glow red at 1,100F, and melts at 2,600F. You can easily get your woodstove to 1,000F, and there is no danger of it suddenly dribbling into the ground.

Steel is forged at about 2,200F, and still requires significant force to bend. At high temperatures steel is mushy like clay. That is why the behavior of the towers on 9/11 is so suspicious. You didn’t see a slow, long sagging to the ground. The towers suddenly, literally, blew themselves apart. There were chunks of frame a football field away. Most of the frame was not twisted or heat-deformed. It was in nice, straight pieces.

Almost all of the steel below the impact zones was strong and intact. Firefighters in the South Tower radioed that the fires were almost out on the 78th floor, where they were, which was the impact zone of the second plane.

In the end it is important to understand that open air fires can twist, deform, and cause steel to buckle, but not to the point of total failure of all structural components simultaneously. That requires a pre-wired demolition. The tower destruction line accelerated toward the ground at the same speed as a falling rock. That is impossible and violates the laws of thermodynamics, as well as the laws of physics. It violates the laws of physics because any falling mass that meets resistance goes slower than free fall acceleration. The lower intact towers, even if very hot, would have offered enormous resistance. Steel skyscrapers have burned, fully engulfed, like torches for over 20 hours and never collapsed.

The idea that the the top one-fourth of each tower suddenly crushed the lower, heavier and stronger three-quarters, in mere seconds is laughable cartoon physics. A few floors falling would not suddenly crush everything beneath it without a lot of help. When you combine this with clear evidence of explosives, such as both reacted and unreacted nanothermite in the dust, the molten pools of steel in the basements, the blown out windows across the WTC complex, the collapse of WTC7 which was not even hit by a plane, and other evidence, and it becomes clear that the official is a farce intended to push the US into war. For more info go to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Close up of tower destruction

No they were not

 

[the other mike]

It's very difficult to say how many laws were broken that day.

 

[the other mike]

Many laws broken on 9/11.

 

[hjmick]

LA RAM FAN you give me a thumbs down two and a half years after I post? What a douche noodle...

 

[the other mike]

Steel is at much, much less than 50% of its original strength by the time it begins to glow red.

And even if the steel did retain 50% of it's strength in PSI, the load safety margin is reduced from 5x to 2.5x.

The force of the impact from the airplanes hitting the building pushed the posts and beams out of alignment, ripped apart the joints where they were bolted together, and further damaged the structural integrity and load bearing capacity of the steel.

Even a breeze or a change in air currents was enough at that point to trigger total collapse.

Triggering the collapse is one thing , but where was the jolt which should have occurred from the resistance of 47 core columns underneath ?

Newton's Third Law of Motion

Newton's third law of motion describes the nature of a force as the result of a mutual and simultaneous interaction between an object and a second object in its surroundings. This interaction results in a simultaneously exerted push or pull upon both objects involved in the interaction.

www.physicsclassroom.com

Even if the weight of the upper floors would have been enough to collapse the buildings straight down ,how did the towers fall identically the same way given that one plane hit at the top.... the other one hit in the middle. ?

And of course nobody can explain Tower 7 at all.