Were the Confederates traitors

[Unkotare]

Or say, sitting around denying semantics and the precise meanings of words?

Check that plank in your own eye, Dudley.... Both Orwell and Rand told us all about you.

I have buried you and Jr there with facts, links, and quotes. At this point, you just don't want to admit the obvious truth of the matter.

 

[Quantrill]

Lost Cause nonsense
Slavery was the primary issue everything else could have been handled in Congress

Read VP Stevens Cornerstone Speach

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

Concerning slavery the South was doing nothing wrong. Slavery was a legal institution proteced by the Constitution. In other words, the South was not traitor because they had slaves. And they were not traitor to take their slaves into the new territories.

The agitation against the South for slavery was the treason against the Constitution. Allowing the underground railroad was treason against the Constitution. The North claiming a 'higher law' against slavery was treason against the Constitution. The North allowing John Brown freedom to roam the North and meet with politicians and anti-slavery organizations to help finance his attack on Virginia at Harpers Ferry. Who burned the Constitution and called it a covenant with death and hell? The North.

You want to say 'slavery was the primary issue'. No, it was slavery as protected by the Constitution. As protected by the Supreme Court Dred Scott case. Which the North also would not abide.

Well, the 'new constitution' didn't make the South traitor in 1861. The new constitution was created after the military victory by the traitors of the Constitution in 1861.

Of course now all the yankees warn you, you better not go against their new constitution. Yet they cared nothing for the Constitution or the South in 1861.

Sorry, but you can't call the South traitor for having slaves. And neither can you call them traitor for going against the Constitution, because they didn't. And you can't call them traitor for secession. So why do you call them traitor? Just because you can't have your way. So silly.

The North was traitor to the Constitution. The North was responsible for that War and the some 800,000 deaths. Wear that badge proudly. It fits you well.

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[San Souci]

The Confederacy was a separate nation that declared war on the United States.

Just as the Democrats are doing now.

 

[rightwinger]

Concerning slavery the South was doing nothing wrong. Slavery was a legal institution proteced by the Constitution. In other words, the South was not traitor because they had slaves. And they were not traitor to take their slaves into the new territories.

The agitation against the South for slavery was the treason against the Constitution. Allowing the underground railroad was treason against the Constitution. The North claiming a 'higher law' against slavery was treason against the Constitution. The North allowing John Brown freedom to roam the North and meet with politicians and anti-slavery organizations to help finance his attack on Virginia at Harpers Ferry. Who burned the Constitution and called it a covenant with death and hell? The North.

You want to say 'slavery was the primary issue'. No, it was slavery as protected by the Constitution. As protected by the Supreme Court Dred Scott case. Which the North also would not abide.

Well, the 'new constitution' didn't make the South traitor in 1861. The new constitution was created after the military victory by the traitors of the Constitution in 1861.

Of course now all the yankees warn you, you better not go against their new constitution. Yet they cared nothing for the Constitution or the South in 1861.

Sorry, but you can't call the South traitor for having slaves. And neither can you call them traitor for going against the Constitution, because they didn't. And you can't call them traitor for secession. So why do you call them traitor? Just because you can't have your way. So silly.

The North was traitor to the Constitution. The North was responsible for that War and the some 800,000 deaths. Wear that badge proudly. It fits you well.

Quantrill

Nice word salad
The reason we had slavery in the Constitution was because the states which eventually formed the Confederacy insisted on it.

They were not traitors because they had slaves, they were traitors for abandoning our country and taking up arms against it.

 

[Quantrill]

Nice word salad
The reason we had slavery in the Constitution was because the states which eventually formed the Confederacy insisted on it.

They were not traitors because they had slaves, they were traitors for abandoning our country and taking up arms against it.

That word salad proves you wrong. But go ahead, and show me it doesn't.

Point is slavery was Constitutionally protected. The South was doing nothing wrong. Yet the North kept up the slavery agitation and hated that Constitution.

No, the North abandoned the South. And the South seceded as a result. The North would not treat the South as an equal in the Union. The North could take it's property into the territories, but the South could not. Even though the Supreme Court Dred Scott decision said otherwise.

The South took up arms after they seceded peacefully because the North refused to let her go and then broke the terms of agreement concerning the forts, and then tried to reinforce the forts with men and ammo. Both an act of War. The North was provoking the South to fire the first shot so it could posture itself as the holy and righteous and defending the flag and freedom. Which actually they were the traitors and willing to start the war to have their way, which the Constitution at that time wouldn't let them.

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[IM2]

Just as the Democrats are doing now.

Projection. The war on America is being waged by the right.

 

[IM2]

That word salad proves you wrong. But go ahead, and show me it doesn't.

Point is slavery was Constitutionally protected. The South was doing nothing wrong. Yet the North kept up the slavery agitation and hated that Constitution.

No, the North abandoned the South. And the South seceded as a result. The North would not treat the South as an equal in the Union. The North could take it's property into the territories, but the South could not. Even though the Supreme Court Dred Scott decision said otherwise.

The South took up arms after they seceded peacefully because the North refused to let her go and then broke the terms of agreement concerning the forts, and then tried to reinforce the forts with men and ammo. Both an act of War. The North was provoking the South to fire the first shot so it could posture itself as the holy and righteous and defending the flag and freedom. Which actually they were the traitors and willing to start the war to have their way, which the Constitution at that time wouldn't let them.

Quantrill

BS.

 

[MisterBeale]

"Yes, Texas v. White was a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1869 that established that the United States is an "indestructible union" of "indestructible states," and that a state cannot unilaterally secede from the Union."

 

[Seymour Flops]

Today, the political left considers the rebels who participated in the American Civil War—also known as the War Between the States—as traitors.

My opinion is that people think this way because they are not true Americans; they are imperialists. They believe in the right to rule and own other people.

Our country is different from most others in the world in that sovereignty does not rest in a king or a government, but in the people. In our country, the people are sovereign.

In the United States, the people are organized in two ways: by states and as a collection of states forming a nation. The nation itself is sovereign. The government of the United States is sovereign because it derives its sovereignty from the people.

Likewise, the people of each state are sovereign, and the state governments are sovereign because they also derive their authority from the people.

I believe—though I’m likely in the minority—that the treason clause in the Constitution refers to individuals, not states. After all, the Founders did the same thing with the Declaration of Independence, and I don't believe they saw themselves as traitors. For the Declaration to be accepted, it had to be ratified by a majority of the states—each a sovereign unit. States cannot commit treason because they are sovereign, and the Founders, acting as agents of those sovereign states, were not traitors. I don't think the Founders saw themselves as traitors.

Likewise, the individuals who voted for secession were not traitors, because as a collective—acting as sovereign states—they were exercising a sovereign right.

You can’t be a traitor against yourself.

Good analysis.

Nothing in the Constitution says that joining the Union is an irrevocable act. One could argue that the states who seceded had a right to do so, and that the Union had a right to bring them back, if for no other reason than the assumption that there were a significant minority of southerners who preferred to remain U.S. citizens.

Once the war was over, however unfair the supporters of the Confederacy thought it was, they accepted it, re-joined the Union inj law and in spirit. Descendents of those who fought bravely and well against the Union under Davis, Lee, Jackson, and Stuart, went on to fight bravely and well for the Union in every war since.

Democrats tell Blacks that they fought to "end racism" by renaming military posts. They have to tell them something, because what the Hell else are Democrats doing for Blacks?

 

[rightwinger]

Point is slavery was Constitutionally protected.

Where is secession in the Constitution?
Makes them traitors

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats tell Blacks that they fought to "end racism" by renaming military posts. They have to tell them something, because what the Hell else are Democrats doing for Blacks?

25 percent of our Army is black

Yet we tell those patriotic soldiers to report to an Army base named after someone who was not patriotic, fought against our country and fought to maintain the institution of slavery

 

[Seymour Flops]

25 percent of our Army is black

Yet we tell those patriotic soldiers to report to an Army base named after someone who was not patriotic, fought against our country and fought to maintain the institution of slavery

Yes, and we tell our patriotic Native American Soldiers to Fort Carson, our patriotic southern soldiers to report to Fort Meade, and we told our patriotic soldiers born in Atlanta to drive Sherman Tanks.

None of today's Black, Native, or Southern soldiers were around for the massacre of the Navaho, the burning of Atlanta, or slavery.

But they and we can understand that we can honor brave Americans on both sides of the conflict, just as we honor brave Americans on both sides of the Indian wars.

Again, your Democrats and media are telling you how bad it is all of a sudden to have an Army post named after Robert E. Lee, because blacks are offended. They say that because they literally have nothing else to offer blacks except accusations of racism directed at Republicans.

 

[Quantrill]

BS.

Means nothing. Come back when you have something.

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[Quantrill]

Where is secession in the Constitution?
Makes them traitors

See post #(27).

No, secession was/is not treason.

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[rightwinger]

See post #(27).

No, secession was/is not treason.

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Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, and we tell our patriotic Native American Soldiers to Fort Carson, our patriotic southern soldiers to report to Fort Meade, and we told our patriotic soldiers born in Atlanta to drive Sherman Tanks.

Carson, Meade and Sherman fought to defend the United States

Southern soldiers were not patriotic.
They took up arms against our country

 

[Quantrill]

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

So? What is your point? You asked me where in the Constitution is secession permitted. I sent you to post #(27). Did you read it?

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[rightwinger]

Again, your Democrats and media are telling you how bad it is all of a sudden to have an Army post named after Robert E. Lee, because blacks are offended. They say that because they literally have nothing else to offer blacks except accusations of racism directed at Republicans.

Robert E Lee who owned hundreds of slaves and fought to ensure slavery would exist forever

Yes, blacks should be offended

The Confederacy was 40 percent slave, but the south honors those who fought to keep them as slaves not those slaves who were liberated by that war

 

[Quantrill]

Carson, Meade and Sherman fought to defend the United States

Southern soldiers were not patriotic.
They took up arms against our country

No, they fought to force the Southern States back into the Union.

The South seceded peacefully and walked away. The North forced the war. Your country were the traitors to the Constitution.

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[Mushroom]

Yes, Please, find a way for WA, OR, and CA to form a NEW perfect Union.

So much Prosperity in these 3 states.
Also, if all the Eastern Desert areas in each State don't want to be included, then great, go **** yourself and join Idaho and Nevada. Should be great.....LOLLOLLLLL

You mean where they get most of their water and power? Not to mention food?

Because it is not just the "Desert Areas". The entire "State of Jefferson" movement is centered in Northern California. Pretty much everything north of Sacramento, from the west to the east.