Were the Confederates traitors

[rightwinger]

John Brown was executed by the State of Virginia, not the Federal government as he should have been. Why would the Fed. govt. want to execute him when he was their man.

Quantrill

Federal troops captured him and put down the rebellion

John Brown sent fear through the South that slaves would revolt and rape the white women

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You're totally not a racist piece of shit!

Virtue-Signaling Shows a Lack of Virility, Vitality, and Viability

Racism is justified by rationality and common sense. It is also part of the Survival Instinct. For inferior races, it is part of the Death Wish.''

The RichKid Reich doesn't want real Americans to grow strong. Its hired opinionists turn race treason into a warm-and-fuzzy virtue.

 

[Unkotare]

Slavery Was Punishment. Wild Jungle Savages Needed to Be Tamed.

 

[Unkotare]

The North recognized secession by the fact that it left the South's senatorial and representative seats vacant.

Illogical

 

[Unkotare]

Virtue-Signaling Shows a Lack of Virility, Vitality, and Viability

Racism is justified by rationality and common sense. It is also part of the Survival Instinct. For inferior races, it is part of the Death Wish.''

The RichKid Reich doesn't want real Americans to grow strong. Its hired opinionists turn race treason into a warm-and-fuzzy virtue.

You’re an idiot.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You introduced 'perpetual', not me. The Union hasn't been perpetual since 1787. Which proves it never was, or will be.

Quantrill

The Ruling Class's Constitution Was What Put the Crack in the Liberty Bell

North (Puritans) and South (Cavaliers) were founded in the 16th Century by what would soon be the two sides of the English Civil War. Even before that, they came out of the bitter rivalry between the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans. Yet the ignorant politicians who scribbled the Constitution couldn't see a Civil War coming to America, and they did nothing effective to prevent it
from happening.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Doesn’t justify forming a Confederacy to protect slavery

Wrong then, wrong now

If the Investors Own a Man's Work, They Own That Man

What about wage-slavery? The White workers got less of what they produced than the African slaves did.

Ignoring the condition of the Northern working class proves that race treason is nothing more than upper-class snobbery.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Perpetual, more perfect Union. One needs to understand English, not try to re-invent meanings.

Gargantuan Grammatical Goliath

It was merely a claim by the Founding Fodder that they had created a "more perfect union." Of course, "more perfect" is retarded grammar, but the Illiterate Language Lords teach us to disregard that.

 

[Quantrill]

Federal troops captured him and put down the rebellion

John Brown sent fear through the South that slaves would revolt and rape the white women

Virginia militia fought and surrounded John Brown long before the Feds arrived. Because it was a Federal Arsenal the Feds had no choice but to send troops in.

The Feds let Virgina execute John Brown because, as I said, he was their man. He was doing nothing they disapproved of. That is why they worshipped him, glorified him, deified him after the execution.

John Brown raised his money for Harpers Ferry from the North. The North sent him. The South knew, as they always feared, that the North would create a slave insurrection to murder all the whites in the South. John Brown proved their fears correct.

'Glory, glory...hallelujah, John Brown is marching on'. Just gives you goose bumps...don't it?

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

If the Investors Own a Man's Work, They Own That Man

What about wage-slavery? The White workers got less of what they produced than the African slaves did.

Ignoring the condition of the Northern working class proves that race treason is nothing more than upper-class snobbery.

Well you couldn't legally rape murder your employees and sell their children, unlike slaves.

 

[Quantrill]

The Ruling Class's Constitution Was What Put the Crack in the Liberty Bell

North (Puritans) and South (Cavaliers) were founded in the 16th Century by what would soon be the two sides of the English Civil War. Even before that, they came out of the bitter rivalry between the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans. Yet the ignorant politicians who scribbled the Constitution couldn't see a Civil War coming to America, and they did nothing effective to prevent it
from happening.

Yes, there has always been a difference of people in the North and South. During the making of the Constitiution in 1787 both sides would claim this. The people were different, their interests were different. And slavery would be the issue that both centered on that proved those differences.

The North, especially that New England bunch, always feared the growth of territories. They knew that new states would be carved out of them. They knew that these new states would not have the same interests as New England. In other words they would lose control.

War was the only recourse for New England. They must conquer the South and dictate who would be new states in the west. Power, money, control. Slavery was just the WMD of the day. And so they did.

But whatever happens, make sure the South fires the first shot, that way we, the North, can sit on our righteous throne as the good people defending the flag and freedom. Glory, glory...hallelujah.

Quantrill

 

[longly]

Well you couldn't legally rape murder your employees and sell their children, unlike slaves.

No, it wasn’t legal—but that didn’t stop some employers from sexually abusing, raping, their female workers, whipping men, women, and children, and allowing children as young as five to be killed or mangled in factory machinery. If their parents dared to complain, they were thrown out into the street to starve. And they were barely making above starvation wages to begin with a 12-to-16-hour workday.

 

[Quantrill]

Well you couldn't legally rape murder your employees and sell their children, unlike slaves.

Did yankee slave holders ever rape, murder, and sell their slaves? Please, lie to me.

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

War was the only recourse for New England.

Again, your education appears to have neglected that, the South were the ones that chose WAR.

 

[Quantrill]

Again, your education appears to have neglected that, the South were the ones that chose WAR.

No the South chose peaceable secession. The North chose war. As I have proved.

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, it wasn’t legal—but that didn’t stop some employers from sexually abusing, raping, their female workers, whipping men, women, and children, and allowing children as young as five to be killed or mangled in factory machinery. If their parents dared to complain, they were thrown out into the street to starve. And they were barely making above starvation wages to begin with a 12-to-16-hour workday.

This is true, and it was illegal.

Did yankee slave holders ever rape, murder, and sell their slaves? Please, lie to me.

Nope. Only these states had legal slavery:
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No the South chose peaceable secession.

They bombed Fort Sumter.

The North chose war. As I have proved.

Only in your mind.

 

[Quantrill]

This is true, and it was illegal.


Nope. Only these states had legal slavery:
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

At least you acknowledge the legality of slavery. Which of course means the South were not doing anything wrong.

But, the North had slaves long before the War Between The States. Did they ever rape, murder, and sell their slaves?

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

At least you acknowledge the legality of slavery. Which of course means the South were not doing anything wrong.

But, the North had slaves long before the War Between The States. Did they ever rape, murder, and sell their slaves?

Quantrill

I will restate. At the time of the Civil War, slavery was illegal except in these states:
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

 

[Quantrill]

I will restate. At the time of the Civil War, slavery was illegal except in these states:
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Yes, I got that. Slavery was legal. The South was doing nothing wrong. The South was not traitor. What about New Jersey?

But I am asking you if the North, who had slaves long before the War Between The States, ever murdered, or raped, or sold them?

Quantrill