Zone1 Well regulated militia

[Captain Caveman]

"Well regulated" at the time the Constitution was written meant properly operating. A good watch or Chronometer was well regulated, meaning it kept good time. And the unorganized militia in the USA today is well regulated in both meanings of the word. Our gun crimes don't come from average armed citizens, they come from criminals that the "justice system" refuses to punish properly.

Blatantly obvious you guys can't 'correctly operate' guns.

Going by your logic, no need to own a gun, all the gun deaths are criminals.

 

[Delldude]

Blatantly obvious you guys can't 'correctly operate' guns

Not so sure about that. We kicked your Limey asses back across the pond when it counted.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Not so sure about that. We kicked your Limey asses back across the pond when it counted.

Down to the basement for you -

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/list-of-cliches-used-by-yanks.1127830/

#6

 

[Delldude]

Down to the basement for you -

You wanted to play the dozens......

Truth still hurt after all these years?

 

[Captain Caveman]

You wanted to play the dozens......

Truth still hurt after all these years?

Number 6 points out that the British colonies were getting beat, and it was the French that came to their rescue. You will also realise the British never left, the British colonies remained there. They chose to self govern and not use London. You have to think really hard to try and work out if the Americas British Colonies have ever won a war without allies, they couldn't even achieve that with independence.

I'm forever educating Americans.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes it did.

Most states still have a militia that is not part of the Federal Government.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your state militias which had been around since the revolutionary war are now what is called NG.

No they arent most states still have state militias

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No kidding.

So tell me how our country went from armed civilians defending their homes and towns, then it expanded to defending the state. So how did we get here?

You do know that only the governor can activate the NG don't you?

You're so concerned......go look up what you don't know what you're talking about.

wrong most states have a State militia not part of the national Guard which is officially part of the army and the President can mobilize the states national Guard without the action of the Governor.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes and was the people who defended their property and towns.
When it hit the fan, they basically became a state armed force.


Who said anything about unorganized?


They remnants of the evolving Continental army?

So where's the well regulated militia today?

Most states still have state militias

 

[Delldude]

You have to think really hard to try and work out if the Americas British Colonies have ever won a war without allies, they couldn't even achieve that with independence.

Kinda all came to a head with the Revolutionary War.

Most states still have a militia that is not part of the Federal Government.

No they arent most states still have state militias

Most states still have state militias

Got a list?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Kinda all came to a head with the Revolutionary War.






Got a list?

No but I believe the last time I looked only 17 states didn't have a militia. California of all places has one and so does North Carolina.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Well regulated would mean well trained and having some organized structure for a response, if necessary. And if the people are members of the unorganized militia, not every person sees eye to eye with this concept.

You don't feel that signing up for selective service, mandatory training in order to purchase a firearm, and the fact that law abiding citizens have to register their firearms is well regulated?

The government knows who we are if they want to call us up to act as a "well regulated militia" and they should have to pay the expenses of that training and licensing since owning a firearm is a right and taxing that is a violation of my rights.

SMILE

 

[Delldude]

You don't feel that signing up for selective service, mandatory training in order to purchase a firearm, and the fact that law abiding citizens have to register their firearms is well regulated?

No.
Tell me about mandatory training to purchase a firearm.
No.
Registering firearms is so the government knows where the arms are, like for confiscation.

The government knows who we are if they want to call us up to act as a "well regulated militia" and they should have to pay the expenses of that training and licensing since owning a firearm is a right and taxing that is a violation of my rights.

The well regulated part is about being trained, as in well versed in the use of firearms and ready to go if the need arises.. Militia is for defending the home front, protecting our liberties more or less.....

 

[Damaged Eagle]

No.
Tell me about mandatory training to purchase a firearm.

Iowa requires a person to go through firearm training before issuing a permit/license.

No.
Registering firearms is so the government knows where the arms are, like for confiscation.

We might agree on this.

The well regulated part is about being trained, as in well versed in the use of firearms and ready to go if the need arises.. Militia is for defending the home front, protecting our liberties more or less.....

What? You want everyone to go to boot camp? Don't believe they did that during the Revolutionary War so I go with being signed up of selective service and basic firearm training as all you need to be considered part of the militia. Don't like that answer then take it up with the founding fathers.

SMILE

 

[Picaro]

The same idiots who snivel about white people having guns are the same morons that snivel for open borders, too butt stupid to see the cognitive dissonance in those two policies.

As for the 2A fanatics, the states have always had a right to regulate firearms sales and require safety training for purchasers who have never had any, and in fact local govts. always had to the right to restrict firearms any way they saw fit. Local municipalities in the 'wild west' had all kinds of gun control laws, and enforced them quite strictly, especially in mining and cattle towns, so they're as full of shit as the left wing racists who are only really about disarming white people.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

The same idiots who snivel about white people having guns are the same morons that snivel for open borders, too butt stupid to see the cognitive dissonance in those two policies.

As for the 2A fanatics, the states have always had a right to regulate firearms sales and require safety training for purchasers who have never had any, and in fact local govts. always had to the right to restrict firearms any way they saw fit. Local municipalities in the 'wild west' had all kinds of gun control laws, and enforced them quite strictly, especially in mining and cattle towns, so they're as full of shit as the left wing racists who are only really about disarming white people.

Please post this in your front yard.

CHUCKLE

 

[Delldude]

You want everyone to go to boot camp?

LOL...............one sentence you are against that, in the next you support it.

So which is it?

Don't believe they did that during the Revolutionary War so I go with being signed up of selective service and basic firearm training as all you need to be considered part of the militia.

Trained by the fed to possibly fight alongside regular troops. You have to know military tactics beyond knowing which end of a gun the bullet comes out of to be a well regulated militia. That was in 1789.....Their purpose then was to counter the new army with the sole purpose of fighting that army off if a tyrannical form of government took it over, things have changed somewhat since then like well regulated militia's are few and far between these days, and if they are, they're more often than not associated with radical RW extremist groups.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

LOL...............one sentence you are against that, in the next you support it.

So which is it?

Where does it say that in my post?

Trained by the fed to possibly fight alongside regular troops. You have to know military tactics beyond knowing which end of a gun the bullet comes out of to be a well regulated militia. That was in 1789.....Their purpose then was to counter the new army with the sole purpose of fighting that army off if a tyrannical form of government took it over, things have changed somewhat since then like well regulated militia's are few and far between these days, and if they are, they're more often than not associated with radical RW extremist groups.

No where in the Constitution is it written that the "well regulated militia" has to be well trained and organized.

SMILE

 

[Delldude]

No where in the Constitution is it written that the "well regulated militia" has to be well trained and organized.

So a bunch of unorganized, untrained goobers are going to jump right in, eh?


Article I, Section 8, Clause 15:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; . . .

Article I, Section 8, Clause 16:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So a bunch of unorganized, untrained goobers are going to jump right in, eh?


Article I, Section 8, Clause 15:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; . . .

Article I, Section 8, Clause 16:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .

That article also states...

...The act of February 28, 1795, which delegated to the President the power to call out the militia, was held constitutional. A militiaman who refused to obey such a call was not "employed in the service of the United States so as to be subject to the article of war," but was liable to be tried for disobedience of the act of 1975.

So who exactly are these 'unemployed militiamen' that the president can call up? I would say it's inactive vets, those signed up for selective service, and any other able bodied citizen capable of handling a firearm.

SMILE