Wealth Distribution in the United States

[NYcarbineer]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Wow, they say potato, you say onomatopoeia.

What a stretch.

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Or for those whom lack the;

ambition, drive, motivation, talent, smarts, intellect capacity, where with all, sticktoitevness, grit, sheet deterioration, perseverance

the response is always the same; anyone who supports something other than a hand out opposed to a hand up, revert to the same strawman translation.

1. So you do support the principle that an unintelligent person should be significantly poorer than an intelligent person, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL,

and that should be clear and visible and should not in any way be economically interfered with?

2. So you support the principle that a poor person should be, on average, less healthy than a rich person, because healthcare is a cost, and the government should not in any way be involved in closing that gap?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

So you are saying that a machinist who used to gat paid to manually turn a lathe and use his skill, creativity and dedication to perfection, 15 an hour should now get paid MORE to hit a button and let the CNC computerized machine do the work?

When are you folks going to open your eyes and stop listening to the likes of Pelosi.

Your anger should not be at the business owners. Your anger should be at the increase in technology.

Something easier.....look at your recpetionist. She used to get paid 15 an hour to handle a switchboard, take messages, deal with front desk responsibililities.

Now she just handles the few overflows thanks to voicemail.

Should she be getting MORE per hour for that?

So the loss of good paying jobs in America shows how well we're advancing??

lol

 

[Jarhead]

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Wow, they say potato, you say onomatopoeia.

What a stretch.

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

Ooh...Ooh...lemme answer...

No measures whatsoever.
Let the drive of the individual dictate his or her success.

It has always worked in the past.

I suggest you stop looking at solutions the government can come up with.

It is holding you back.

 

[Jarhead]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

So you are saying that a machinist who used to gat paid to manually turn a lathe and use his skill, creativity and dedication to perfection, 15 an hour should now get paid MORE to hit a button and let the CNC computerized machine do the work?

When are you folks going to open your eyes and stop listening to the likes of Pelosi.

Your anger should not be at the business owners. Your anger should be at the increase in technology.

Something easier.....look at your recpetionist. She used to get paid 15 an hour to handle a switchboard, take messages, deal with front desk responsibililities.

Now she just handles the few overflows thanks to voicemail.

Should she be getting MORE per hour for that?

So the loss of good paying jobs in America shows how well we're advancing??

lol

No sir...

Never said that. Why you read into it that way is concerning.

Becuase we are advacning technologically, people are offered a choice in life....do what you can to increase your skill set or you will be stuck with a job that will not allow you to apply your atrtributes that can offer long term success.

Many opt for that 9-5 job that pays 12 an hour to push a button....and then spend their free time complaining about their neighbor who is making more moneyu becuase he took programming courses over the weekends.

 

[rightwinger]

The middle class is shrinking becuase those with drive are becoming wealthier and those without drive are being replaced by technology.

Seems not having drive is the issue.

But it is more than just drive.....It is the result of that drive

In the past, the harder you worked the more you benefited. Now, an increasing portion of your hard work goes to management rather than to the labor producing it. This has been manifested in ever increasing management and CEO salaries while labor salaries have been stagnant

Management has screamed poverty for the last decade. Threatening labor with layoffs if they don't accept fewer benefits. Cutbacks to medical care, pensions, salaries and vacation have been accepted based on the perception that "times are tough"

But those sacrifices haven't been shared by upper management as they have seen their compensation and portfolios skyrocket as labor takes another cut

You are regurgitrating what the left wants you to believe.

Like I said earlier.....people nowadays without drive take those jobs where "pushing a button" is the primary responsibility. How can one work "harder" when pushing a button?

Sure, it used to be setting up the lathe, inserting the stock, clibrating...and those that worked hard had little to no watse and error.... yes, they were promoted to set up men, mechanics, etc.

Now? They are thirlled to get a job pushing a button and watching the machine run the stock and be there if the alarm goes off due to a jam.

But maybe if they had drive, they would take a class on programming the lathe?

How the hell does anyone work harder doing nothing more than taking overflow calls from the vpoicemail system.

Sure the upper management reaps the rewards. They still need to work hard...and harder to get ahead...Technology has yet to replace ones creativity, intellignece, reasoning and presentatioin skills.

Maybe if the lower ranks drive to apply THOSE skills, they would be able to get ahead?

Simplistic rightwing "American Dream" nonsense

Its the same old..."You are not succeeding because you are not working hard enough". American productivity is as high as anywhere in the world and the worker has less and less to show for it. Guess what? Trickle down ain't happening.

Workers are higher trained, work longer hours and have less to show for it. Management has been telling labor for the last decade that everyone has to make do with less while they turn around and take more for themselves

What is clear is that the percentage of profit taken by management compared to the percentage paid to labor has expanded tremendously over the last 30 years. Management is not working harder and the position of US companies in the world market has declined....so performance is not the justification

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wow, they say potato, you say onomatopoeia.

What a stretch.

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

Ooh...Ooh...lemme answer...

No measures whatsoever.
Let the drive of the individual dictate his or her success.

It has always worked in the past.

I suggest you stop looking at solutions the government can come up with.

It is holding you back.

And when and where has it worked in the past? Specifically.

Better yet, if we eliminate Medicaid, which is a program precisely and wholly designed to narrow the gap between rich and poor - that is its primary effect -

how does that 'work' as you say, to make the gap between rich and poor smaller?

 

[shintao]

Or for those whom lack the;ambition, drive, motivation, talent, smarts, intellect capacity, where with all, sticktoitevness, grit, sheet deterioration, perseverance the response is always the same; anyone who supports something other than a hand out opposed to a hand up, revert to the same strawman translation.

And you know millions of people either on welfare, laid off, working low and medium paying jobs that are like you describe? You know, the ones separated from the income gap between the rich & poor? Are you also one of those people, because it seems they left you behind.

I guess America is just loaded to the gills with shiftless lazy assed Americans on this capitalist system, while the Socialists are all hard working intelligent workers who don't have a gap between the rich & poor. LOL! Isn't it interesting that Corporations are moving their businesses out of America for socialist places where the people are well educated and not lazy bums like you describe. Capitalism seems to be the cause. Tsk!

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

So the loss of good paying jobs in America shows how well we're advancing??

lol

Your really going to love Obama's "live guilt free on 2 dollars a day plan".

 

[Jarhead]

But it is more than just drive.....It is the result of that drive

In the past, the harder you worked the more you benefited. Now, an increasing portion of your hard work goes to management rather than to the labor producing it. This has been manifested in ever increasing management and CEO salaries while labor salaries have been stagnant

Management has screamed poverty for the last decade. Threatening labor with layoffs if they don't accept fewer benefits. Cutbacks to medical care, pensions, salaries and vacation have been accepted based on the perception that "times are tough"

But those sacrifices haven't been shared by upper management as they have seen their compensation and portfolios skyrocket as labor takes another cut

You are regurgitrating what the left wants you to believe.

Like I said earlier.....people nowadays without drive take those jobs where "pushing a button" is the primary responsibility. How can one work "harder" when pushing a button?

Sure, it used to be setting up the lathe, inserting the stock, clibrating...and those that worked hard had little to no watse and error.... yes, they were promoted to set up men, mechanics, etc.

Now? They are thirlled to get a job pushing a button and watching the machine run the stock and be there if the alarm goes off due to a jam.

But maybe if they had drive, they would take a class on programming the lathe?

How the hell does anyone work harder doing nothing more than taking overflow calls from the vpoicemail system.

Sure the upper management reaps the rewards. They still need to work hard...and harder to get ahead...Technology has yet to replace ones creativity, intellignece, reasoning and presentatioin skills.

Maybe if the lower ranks drive to apply THOSE skills, they would be able to get ahead?

Simplistic rightwing "American Dream" nonsense

Its the same old..."You are not succeeding because you are not working hard enough". American productivity is as high as anywhere in the world and the worker has less and less to show for it. Guess what? Trickle down ain't happening.

Workers are higher trained, work longer hours and have less to show for it. Management has been telling labor for the last decade that everyone has to make do with less while they turn around and take more for themselves

Do you not notice that all you are doing is tossing out catch phrases?

Workers are higher trained....really? In what way? DO you know that skill and training was required to run a mutli spindle lathe...now the only skill necessary is to know what "on and oiff" mean to run a CNC lathe.

Work longer hours....really? Exactly where do you see that happening? JUst a catch phrase.

Telling labor that they have to take less? Hell, if it were prosperous times and someone said that to me, I would find another job.

But as for taking less? Do you feel that a switchboard operator in the day of voicemail should be making more (in todays dollars) than a switchbord operator of 20 years ago?

Dont you see how you are just regurgitating catch phrases just like the puppeteers want you to?

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. So you do support the principle that an unintelligent person should be significantly poorer than an intelligent person, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL,

False premise, that the only way into the middle or upper classes is intelligence.

2. So you support the principle that a poor person should be, on average, less healthy than a rich person, because healthcare is a cost

False premise, that the only way to be healty is to have "health care".

 

[Jarhead]

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

Ooh...Ooh...lemme answer...

No measures whatsoever.
Let the drive of the individual dictate his or her success.

It has always worked in the past.

I suggest you stop looking at solutions the government can come up with.

It is holding you back.

And when and where has it worked in the past? Specifically.

Better yet, if we eliminate Medicaid, which is a program precisely and wholly designed to narrow the gap between rich and poor - that is its primary effect -

how does that 'work' as you say, to make the gap between rich and poor smaller?

It worked for me.

I was poor. Jobless. Blamed my boss that fired me....even though it was my attitude that got me fired. I was Homeless. Lived under the boardwalk.
Woke up to personal responsibility and sold my first company 5 years later...not for a big profit....but it was a start.
How did I do it? Started off small.....pricing groceries...saved the money for a course....didnt go out partrying for over 2 years...lonly life....but I did what I had to do....ate bananas for dinner...walked miles at a time to save on bus fare.....

Did what I had to do.

And now? 27 years and I am a five percenter.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. So you do support the principle that an unintelligent person should be significantly poorer than an intelligent person, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL,

False premise, that the only way into the middle or upper classes is intelligence.

2. So you support the principle that a poor person should be, on average, less healthy than a rich person, because healthcare is a cost

False premise, that the only way to be healty is to have "health care".

Wrong and wrong. Go away.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Better yet, if we eliminate Medicaid, which is a program precisely and wholly designed to narrow the gap between rich and poor - that is its primary effect -

The only way to qualify to medicaid is to be poor; the benefits from medcaid are designed to provide substinence and little else. It is impossible for a program designed to provide just enough to the poor to keep them alive to 'narrow the gap between rich and poor'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ooh...Ooh...lemme answer...

No measures whatsoever.
Let the drive of the individual dictate his or her success.

It has always worked in the past.

I suggest you stop looking at solutions the government can come up with.

It is holding you back.

And when and where has it worked in the past? Specifically.

Better yet, if we eliminate Medicaid, which is a program precisely and wholly designed to narrow the gap between rich and poor - that is its primary effect -

how does that 'work' as you say, to make the gap between rich and poor smaller?

It worked for me.

I was poor. Jobless. Blamed my boss that fired me....even though it was my attitude that got me fired. I was Homeless. Lived under the boardwalk.
Woke up to personal responsibility and sold my first company 5 years later...not for a big profit....but it was a start.
How did I do it? Started off small.....pricing groceries...saved the money for a course....didnt go out partrying for over 2 years...lonly life....but I did what I had to do....ate bananas for dinner...walked miles at a time to save on bus fare.....

Did what I had to do.

And now? 27 years and I am a five percenter.

That's mildly interesting tale, but does not in any way address my question/point.

Everyone on the right has trouble with these points, the song and dance is frantic.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. So you do support the principle that an unintelligent person should be significantly poorer than an intelligent person, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL,

False premise, that the only way into the middle or upper classes is intelligence.

2. So you support the principle that a poor person should be, on average, less healthy than a rich person, because healthcare is a cost

False premise, that the only way to be healty is to have "health care".

Wrong and wrong. Go away.

Your lack of effective response only serves to illustrate the considerable lack of substance to your position.

 

[Oddball]

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

Question is entirely without merit or substance.


Since when did any of that become any of gubmint's responsibility in the first place?

 

[Bern80]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

yeah that's exactly what he said you ignoramous. He couldn't have possibly said your level of wealth is decided by YOU.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

This is what happens when stoopid becomes the new black.

In the 80's (or before) companies started to offer 401k and HC ins and a benny to get the best workers they could and keep them.

30 years later, stoopid is the new black and they think companies are supposed to offer these bennies at all level of employment.


Honestly, how many of you got a job flippin burgers planned on retireing 20 years later still flippin bergers?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

yeah that's exactly what he said you ignoramous. He couldn't have possibly said your level of wealth is decided by YOU.

When you cannot form an effective argument on your own, you're forced to resort to such silliness. It's really very sad.