We will benefit from this

[gipper]

You do realize he is right? You never defend your positions anymore. You just scream at people.

Not always but sometimes. DumbAgain is an asshole so I don’t bother with assholes.

 

[TNHarley]

Not always but sometimes. DumbAgain is an asshole so I don’t bother with assholes.

You should always try to refute. Obviously with some, it is a dead end because evidence won't convince idiots but still.

 

[Godboy]

LOL dude you said this
Im making reasonable predictions about oil prices dropping once production starts in Venezuela. You wont find a single economist in the world who disagrees. YOU on the other hand are are saying a bunch of retard shit that has no basis in reality.
Then i posted this article that said this
“Many folks are far too optimistic that this will have immediate and measurable effect,” said Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy. “It is unlikely. It would take years and even then the impacts may be more measured in pennies per gallon than dimes.”
But even under what GasBuddy’s De Haan called “the most optimistic timelines,” it will take years for oil supply to enter the world market. He and others wonder how much incentive major oil companies have to even tackle such a project, given the geopolitical risks and the steep costs to ramp up production.
Independent energy analyst Rachel Ziemba, who agrees major oil companies may hesitate, also notes that declines in the price of crude – the raw material for consumer products like gasoline – are often not fully passed on to consumers. For example, crude prices were down nearly 20% in 2025, but gas prices fell less than 10%, she said.
The Goldman analysts are forecasting only a $2 per barrel change either up or down, meanwhile, depending on whether the more optimistic or pessimistic scenario comes to pass. That represents only about a 4% change to their base case forecast of $56 a barrel for Brent crude, the world benchmark.

"This won't be as smooth or easy as the administration is indicating," Ziemba told USA TODAY.

The bottom line for consumers? “The potential for additional oil may stabilize oil in the years to come, but don't expect gas price parties with a national average below $2/gal anytime soon,” De Haan said.

You obviously didnt read the article. Apology accepted.

Ohhh, so its a failure if it doesnt "have an immediate effect"? He says, "many folks are far too optimistic". So he is obviously in the minority as well. Why the **** would ANYONE expect an immediate effect? You will not find a single economist who will say this is bad. All you found was a guy saying it will take awhile.

 

[TNHarley]

Ohhh, so its a failure if it doesnt "have an immediate effect"? He says, "many folks are far too optimistic". So he is obviously in the minority as well. Why the **** would ANYONE expect an immediate effect? You will not find a single economist who will say this is bad. All you found was a guy saying it will take awhile.

Going by your post, yes. Should we forget what you actually said for argument sake?

 

[gipper]

You should always try to refute. Obviously with some, it is a dead end because evidence won't convince idiots but still.

I gave up on that long ago. These assholes on this site are too dumb.

DumbAgain is exactly like Trump. He’s a moron who does zero homework and is a Zionist cock sucker.

 

[TNHarley]

I gave up on that long ago. These assholes on this site are too dumb.

DumbAgain is exactly like Trump. He’s a moron who does zero homework and is a Zionist cock sucker.

Then prove him wrong

 

[gipper]

Then prove him wrong

Not interested.

 

[TNHarley]

Not interested.

That makes you look like a *****. That's macs excuse for always running. Are you like mac?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Not interested.

 

[BackAgain]

DumbAgain!!!

Gimp.

 

[Flopper]

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Trump Isn’t “Pirating Ships” — He Must Seize and Sell 300 Venezuelan Oil Tankers to Satisfy an International Court Judgment Owed to U.S. Companies
A lot of people are reacting emotionally to the idea of oil tankers being seized, but most of the outrage comes from not understanding what is actually being discussed.
So let’s slow this down and explain it clearly, legally, and step by step.
This is not war.
This is not piracy.
This is judgment enforcement — the same principle used every day when courts seize bank accounts, property, aircraft, or cargo from someone who lost in court and refuses to pay.
1. What Venezuela did (the part that always gets skipped)
In the 2000s, under Hugo Chávez, Venezuela seized oil projects owned by foreign companies, including major U.S. firms such as ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips.
This wasn’t a policy disagreement.
It was expropriation:
• Contracts were broken
• Assets were taken
• Compensation that had been agreed to was not paid
That is not controversial. It is historical fact.
2. What the courts decided
Those U.S. companies didn’t complain on social media.
They went to international arbitration and U.S. courts — the proper legal venues.
They won.
The rulings were:
• Final
• Binding
• Enforceable
Venezuela lost and was ordered to pay tens of billions of dollars in damages.
3. The real problem: Venezuela refused to pay
Here is the key point most critics ignore:
Venezuela refused to comply with the court judgments.
In any legal system — domestic or international — when a party:
• Loses in court
• Owes a judgment
• Refuses to pay
…the law allows creditors to seize commercial assets belonging to the debtor outside its borders to satisfy the judgment.
This is called judgment enforcement.
Countries do not get a free pass simply because they are countries.
4. Why oil tankers even enter the conversation
Venezuela’s primary commercial asset is oil.
Oil moves on oil tankers.
Those tankers:
• Carry state-owned Venezuelan oil
• Are commercial property, not military or diplomatic assets
• Can be lawfully seized by court order in cooperating jurisdictions
This is no different in principle from seizing:
• A bank account
• A plane
• A shipment of goods
Calling this “piracy” is legally incorrect.
Piracy is theft without lawful authority.
This is court-ordered seizure to collect a debt already ruled on.
5. The math everyone avoids
Let’s use conservative, realistic numbers so no one can claim exaggeration.
• Estimated unpaid court judgments: ~$35 billion
• Oil price used: $62 per barrel
• Typical large oil tanker (VLCC): ~2 million barrels
Value of one full tanker:
• Gross value: ~$124 million
• Net value after realistic court-sale discounts: ~$115 million
Now do the math:
$35,000,000,000 ÷ $115,000,000 ≈ 300 tankers
That’s where the number comes from.
Not one tanker.
Not ten.
About three hundred.
One tanker only covers about one-third of one percent of what Venezuela owes.
6. What this means — and what it does NOT mean
This does not mean:
• Tankers are being randomly grabbed
• This is a military action
• The goal is punishment
It does mean:
• Courts already ruled
• A debt legally exists
• Enforcement is the only option left when payment is refused
When Donald Trump talks about seizing oil shipments, he is not inventing a new power.
He is talking about using existing legal authority to enforce judgments Venezuela already lost.
In plain English:
You took property, you lost in court, you refused to pay — so your commercial assets are seized and sold until the debt is satisfied.
That is how the rule of law works.
7. Why you don’t see hundreds of tankers seized
Because enforcement is:
• Legally narrow
• Jurisdiction-dependent
• Deliberately targeted
Venezuela also structured its exports to:
• Avoid enforceable ports
• Use intermediaries
• Break shipments into smaller pieces
So tanker seizures are rare, careful, and strategic, not mass roundups.
Tankers are leverage, not a magic wand.
The bottom line
• Venezuela seized U.S. assets
• Venezuela lost in international court
• Venezuela refuses to pay
• The debt is ~$35 billion
• A tanker is worth ~$115 million net
• It would take ~300 Venezuelan oil tankers to make the judgment whole
This is lawful enforcement, not piracy.
This is accounting, not aggression.
This is what happens when court rulings are ignored.
People arguing “this sounds extreme” are missing the most important fact:
The court already decided.
Once that happens, enforcement isn’t optional — it’s inevitable.
Everything else flows from that reality.

The International Court does not authorize any country to attack another country to collect debt. What Trump did was a clear violation of international law as well as the US Constitution.

 

[scruffy]

The International Court does not authorize any country to attack another country to collect debt. What Trump did was a clear violation of international law as well as the US Constitution.

Arrest a murdering narcoterrorist?

You'll have a hard time selling anything else.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Arrest a murdering narcoterrorist?

You'll have a hard time selling anything else.

I wonder if the International Court thought the Oct 7th Hamas invasion of Israel was a violation of International Law.

 

[gipper]

That makes you look like a *****. That's macs excuse for always running. Are you like mac?

lol. If you think intelligent reasoned debate will change a zealot like a devoted Trumper, Zionist, or Democrat, you’re deceiving yourself.

 

[gipper]

Gimp.

DumbAgain did you blow Don or Bibi last night?

 

[Lesh]

Arrest a murdering narcoterrorist?

You'll have a hard time selling anything else.

Ya mean like Saddam?

Neocons strike again

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Jeez my threads getted
banned for not seeming political enough.

Mr. Trump said the U.S. is "going to run the country" until there is a "safe, proper and judicious transition" in power in Venezuela.

"We can't take a chance that somebody else takes over Venezuela that doesn't have the good of the Venezuelan people in mind. We've had decades of that. We're not going to let that happen," the president said. "We're there now. And what people don't understand, but they understand as I say this, we're there now, but we're going to stay until such time as the proper transition can take place."

Yet no American boots on the ground there.

But keep listening to CBS headlines.

CBS is an industry joke.

 

[BackAgain]

DumbAgain did you blow Don or Bibi last night?

Again, you’re the **********. Stop projecting.

And shove your perpetual anti-Semitism up you ass.

 

[gipper]

Again, you’re the **********. Stop projecting.

And shove your perpetual anti-Semitism up you ass.

So it was Bibi. I hope you enjoyed it.

 

[BackAgain]

So it was Bibi. I hope you enjoyed it.

Again. You’re projecting your own proclivities on to others.

When you used to blow Arafat and when you used to toss Maduro’s salad, did they pay you? Or did you give it to them for free because of your antisemitism and your disdain for America?