Trump: US taxpayer may reimburse oil companies to rebuild Venezuela infrastructure.

[Mac-7]

President Donald Trump said he believes the U.S. oil industry could get expanded operations in Venezuela "up and running" in fewer than 18 months.

"I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money," Trump told NBC News in an interview Monday.


"A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue," he said.

Trump says the U.S. may reimburse oil companies for rebuilding Venezuela's infrastructure

Big oil firms will either "get reimbursed by us or through revenue," Trump told NBC News in an exclusive interview.

www.nbcnews.com

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It seems fairly obvious Oil Companies will not invest a dime in Venezuela without assurances from the US that it will cover the costs given the myriad risks this investment will take. Trump did not give a number for the cost because it would be in the billions, if not trillions. As far as the oil paying for it, that is a laugh. The same lie was made by the Bush neocons as by the Trump neocons. Oil revenue paid for squat in Iraq.

AI Overview


Iraqi oil revenue did not pay for the Iraq War; initial claims that it would proved false, with the war costing the U.S. trillions in taxpayer money, far exceeding any early oil revenues, which were insufficient for reconstruction due to instability, corruption, and conflict.

Trump=W
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No US tax dollars to rebuild Venezuala

Period

What we can do is allow the US oil companies to restore oil production to pre-communist levels snd use the profits from that to repair the country

 

[Marener]

Anything that could interfere in the supply of drugs, is a reason for hope.

People have complex and varied reasons for the simpliest of decisions.

That an ADMINISTRATION, would have a big mixed bags of motivations for a conflict, is ... to be expected.

The problem is when someone describes their motivations dishonestly.

No. The issue of not believing institutions of information, is based on the bad behavior of ideologicalized libs that infiltrated them.

YOu denying that, is you not being serious.

The problem is that these institutions are falsely attacked by people who exhibit far worse behavior because of their ideology.

Economic nationalism.

I gave you the respect of a serious answer, pretending that your question was serious.

Let's see how you respond.

Economic nationalism requires authoritarianism. It’s no longer a free market. Trump is doing far more to enforce a centrally planned economy than basically any other president in modern history (in a time of peace that is). If we believe what he says about Venezuela, he’s going to tell them who can drill oil, who they can sell it to and who gets the profits. Not sure if that’s going to happen but he’s saying it.

Trump is dragging us back to a way of thinking about the world that we long abandoned because it was unstable, unpredictable and economically harmful. Rule of law is being replaced by might makes right.

NO. I admit that so much of the accusations from teh left are so deluded that a lot of them are dismissed and rightfully so.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You again conflate issues to ignore what is convenient to ignore. Trump was accused of working with Russia in 2016, but that was largely based on the circumstantial evidence at the time. Mueller proved it didn’t happen and that’s good enough for me. The right said that investigation amounted to a coup, was investigated by Durham and nothing was ever found. But did the right give up that narrative? No. It always was deluded.

Everytime that a rea issue was brought up by a republican and the left shut down the discussion by crying "racism", that was a refusal to engage.

What “real issue”? There is a lot of racism among the right. That’s the whole basis for the “great replacement theory”.

for one set of limited examples.

Lied their asses off. And still are. over and over again.

Just because you believe they lied doesn’t make it so. Watching some hack on YouTube doesn’t prove much. The right has no real journalistic integrity and shouldn’t be taken very seriously.

If you had more hard examples it might help. I’m reminded of the scandal with the hockey stick graph and a single email taken out of context. Full investigation proved the right wing accusations were false. The “decline” noted in the famous email talks about a well known but unexplained divergence in some data sets of tree ring data and accurate temperature records.

Clearing up misconceptions regarding 'hide the decline'

skepticalscience.com

These days, it seems like everyone recognizes the world is warming up, but I remember 10-15 years ago, the right was saying that warming had ended and that we were about to be cooling. Of course that never happened and we’ve just gotten hotter since then.

Your pretense of ignorance is a bit hard to take seriously here.

It actually does. The bit where they call up the guy and ask if there is fraud, and he says NO, presented as though that is a refutation of the accusation. Hilarious.

The article doesn't mention that they called,... I think it was 7 or 8 day cares only ONE answered a phone call.

Also, the bit where the woman pretends to not understand that a day care accused of fraud, might not gin up some traffic to make it look good?

Is she a ******* retard? Or does she just play one, on tv?

I never saw the video so I can’t comment.

The take away I take on this, is that we hear that this is not much because the investigations have been ongoing for years.

Really? When teh **** were the mainstream news going to report on these huge frauds? And when, if ever, where the investigators going to take steps to shut it all down?

The answer is, they weren't. They were going though the motions, while the fraud was allowed to continue. Some specific operations might close, but others would be allowed to open and continue. FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

So you’re ignoring the fact that the inspectors came unannounced and that there were kids there? Seems like it. Something to ignore because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

The infamous “learning center” states it’s an after school care center, so it kind of makes sense that no one would be around in the morning. Did the young YouTuber ever check that? Seems like that would be a good idea. It’s odd that you’re outraged they asked the owners to comment. Seems like that’s kind of what a journalist would do.

 

[pknopp]

You mean expanding our influence to make us stronger?

Yes, that is America First.

Its the exact same thing we attacked Iraq for the first time.

 

[theHawk]

Its the exact same thing we attacked Iraq for the first time.

Oh I thought it was for “WMD”.

But what would I know, it’s not like I was in the military at the time.

 

[Correll]

The problem is when someone describes their motivations dishonestly.

Is that what is happening?Or were you going to find a reason to oppose Trump no matter what?

Mmm, that might be YOU describing your motivation dishonestly.

The problem is that these institutions are falsely attacked by people who exhibit far worse behavior because of their ideology.

No, the problem is the instituations being bastions of anti-American leftism.

Economic nationalism requires authoritarianism. ...

No, it doesn't. That's dumb.

Trump is dragging us back to a way of thinking about the world that we long abandoned because it was unstable, unpredictable and economically harmful. Rule of law is being replaced by might makes right.

We are done allowing our enemies to use our rules to destroy us, while they play by no rules.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You again conflate issues to ignore what is convenient to ignore. Trump was accused of working with Russia in 2016, but that was largely based on the circumstantial evidence at the time. Mueller proved it didn’t happen and that’s good enough for me. The right said that investigation amounted to a coup, was investigated by Durham and nothing was ever found. But did the right give up that narrative? No. It always was deluded.

That lie bogged down Trump first administration. Trump won, he was supposed to get 4 years to be President and do shit.

Instead his time and energy was sucked up by nonsense.

That was your side not respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

What “real issue”? There is a lot of racism among the right. That’s the whole basis for the “great replacement theory”.

**** off.

Just because you believe they lied doesn’t make it so. Watching some hack on YouTube doesn’t prove much. The right has no real journalistic integrity and shouldn’t be taken very seriously.

If you had more hard examples it might help. I’m reminded of the scandal with the hockey stick graph and a single email taken out of context. Full investigation proved the right wing accusations were false. The “decline” noted in the famous email talks about a well known but unexplained divergence in some data sets of tree ring data and accurate temperature records.

Clearing up misconceptions regarding 'hide the decline'

skepticalscience.com

These days, it seems like everyone recognizes the world is warming up, but I remember 10-15 years ago, the right was saying that warming had ended and that we were about to be cooling. Of course that never happened and we’ve just gotten hotter since then.

I never saw the video so I can’t comment.

Sure you could. But you are using an excuse to dodge it.

So you’re ignoring the fact that the inspectors came unannounced and that there were kids there? Seems like it. Something to ignore because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

That one day they manage to get together some kids, doesn't change that on the other day it was empty, nor does it change the utter nonsense of the "2 to 10 business hours. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

The infamous “learning center” states it’s an after school care center, so it kind of makes sense that no one would be around in the morning. Did the young YouTuber ever check that? Seems like that would be a good idea. It’s odd that you’re outraged they asked the owners to comment. Seems like that’s kind of what a journalist would do.

No, I'm amused that they presented the one denial as though that was serious evidence.

You really this obtuse, or is this just something you feel you have to do, to be a good ally?

 

[Marener]

Is that what is happening?Or were you going to find a reason to oppose Trump no matter what?

Mmm, that might be YOU describing your motivation dishonestly.

Yes, as I already stated. It’s dishonest to conflate the hundreds of thousands of fentanyl deaths with the cocaine coming out of Venezuela (which is largely being shipped to Europe anyway).

No, the problem is the instituations being bastions of anti-American leftism.

This is an assertion without evidence or substantive explanation.

No, it doesn't. That's dumb.

Same thing as above. Assertion without an argument.

We are done allowing our enemies to use our rules to destroy us, while they play by no rules.

This seems self contradictory. You say they play by no rules and use our rules to destroy us.

We need the rules. Otherwise it’s a dangerous and chaotic world.

That lie bogged down Trump first administration. Trump won, he was supposed to get 4 years to be President and do shit.

Instead his time and energy was sucked up by nonsense.

That was your side not respecting the peaceful transfer of power.

It was a legitimate investigation based on circumstantial information, much of which Trump made far worse by his own ill advised lies and actions. Remember when he said no one in his campaign had any connection to Russia? Lies. Hiring shady people like Flynn? Bad idea.

We respected the peaceful transition of power. It’s silly to say otherwise. There’s nothing violent about a valid investigation. The people have a right to know what happened.

Saying it prevented Trump from governing is overly dramatic. It did no such thing.

**** off.

More unwillingness to engage in honest debate.

Sure you could. But you are using an excuse to dodge it.

You never linked to the video and I don’t take your word for it. Still ignoring the vast majority of content in my response. Not an honest debate.

That one day they manage to get together some kids, doesn't change that on the other day it was empty, nor does it change the utter nonsense of the "2 to 10 business hours. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

The inspectors come unannounced so your implication that they found kids to put on a good show doesn’t make sense. Those hours make sense if it’s an after school daycare, doesn’t it?

Replying with “HAHAHAHAHA” isn’t really much of a rebuttal.

No, I'm amused that they presented the one denial as though that was serious evidence.

You really this obtuse, or is this just something you feel you have to do, to be a good ally?

Not sure what you mean about presenting it as “serious evidence”. Like I said, I haven’t seen the clip you’re referring to, but the article seems pretty appropriate to me.

This young man is not a serious journalist. At least we should be able to agree on that.

 

[PeterPilot]

President Donald Trump said he believes the U.S. oil industry could get expanded operations in Venezuela "up and running" in fewer than 18 months.

"I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money," Trump told NBC News in an interview Monday.


"A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue," he said.

Trump says the U.S. may reimburse oil companies for rebuilding Venezuela's infrastructure

Big oil firms will either "get reimbursed by us or through revenue," Trump told NBC News in an exclusive interview.

www.nbcnews.com

**************

It seems fairly obvious Oil Companies will not invest a dime in Venezuela without assurances from the US that it will cover the costs given the myriad risks this investment will take. Trump did not give a number for the cost because it would be in the billions, if not trillions. As far as the oil paying for it, that is a laugh. The same lie was made by the Bush neocons as by the Trump neocons. Oil revenue paid for squat in Iraq.

AI Overview


Iraqi oil revenue did not pay for the Iraq War; initial claims that it would proved false, with the war costing the U.S. trillions in taxpayer money, far exceeding any early oil revenues, which were insufficient for reconstruction due to instability, corruption, and conflict.

Trump=W
.

Well I'm not surprised. What Trumpanyahu says above is exactly what one would expect a Zionist fascist to say.

 

[JLW]

Yes, we learned we should get the oil if we’re going to do it. Also don’t believe for a second Muslims want democracy.

Venezuela isn’t Muslim.

I know these distinctions can be confusing to idiots like you who think “everyone is equal”.

Yeah, like commandeering another nation's oil supply is a good strategy. You neocons are just as ignorant as you were during your Bushie days.

BTW, Venezuela is every bit as fraught with danger as Iraq. Drug gangs, cartels, separatist guerillas, etc all hide out in the Amazon. Create a failed state in Venezuela, and you may well see South America go the same way as the Middle East after Iraq.

 

[JLW]

No US tax dollars to rebuild Venezuala

Period

What we can do is allow the US oil companies to restore oil production to pre-communist levels snd use the profits from that to repair the country

That is not what your man Trump is saying.

 

[pknopp]

Oh I thought it was for “WMD”.

But what would I know, it’s not like I was in the military at the time.

No, that was the second time.....

 

[Lisa558]

Man, it would be nice to have a coherent foreign policy.

Of course Trump supporters just approve of whatever he says, no matter how stupid or contradictory to his prior statements.

It's "smart" because Trump said it and the MAGAs believe Trump is "smart".

You mean like Obama’s foreign policy? Sneaking $6 billion in cash to the Islamist Terror state in the middle of the night?

Or Biden’s policy of withdrawing all military from a war zone and leaving civilians behind enemy lines?

 

[Lisa558]

Near as I can tell, the Approved Talking Point re the child care scandal, is that it is RACIST TO NOTICE.

I heard one of the Somalis on the news last night complaining that reports [of the $8 billion fraud they perpetrated on American taxpayers] is “traumatizing to the children.”

So, IOW, we should allow them to steal Americans blind because disclosing it upsets the next generation of corrupt Somalis!

 

[Marener]

You mean like Obama’s foreign policy? Sneaking $6 billion in cash to the Islamist Terror state in the middle of the night?

Or Biden’s policy of withdrawing all military from a war zone and leaving civilians behind enemy lines?

Oh look, attempting to derail a thread and talk about issues unrelated to the OP.

Not long ago, Trump proclaimed we were done telling countries how to behave and done nation building.

And now he says we run Venezuela and the US government is going to subsidize oil development in a foreign country.

That’s incoherent.

And that’s not even touching the fact that this administration is all over the map with their statements.

 

[Mac-7]

That is not what your man Trump is saying.

Ok I get it

You really do believe the lib myth of trump supporters as cultists slavishly following him no matter what

But it aint so

 

[Mac-7]

I heard one of the Somalis on the news last night complaining that reports [of the $8 billion fraud they perpetrated on American taxpayers] is “traumatizing to the children.”

So, IOW, we should allow them to steal Americans blind because disclosing it upsets the next generation of corrupt Somalis!

Somali children who are worried about mommy and uncle/daddy going to prison probably is traumatizing

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Whatever the taxpayer contributes to rebuilding their infrastructure should be returned, with a profit, to the US treasury. We can give them a stake, but we need a return.

Ah, so now Trumpers love BOTH nation building AND Socialism.

The mind control is something to behold.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Taking from some to give to others.........

To be fair, it's likely to be more and more debt.

What Dems love to do.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Ah, so now Trumpers love BOTH nation building AND Socialism

The mind control is something to behold.

Your mind out of control is even more to behold.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your mind out of control is even more to behold.

This is right about the ceiling of wit i expect.

 

[TimFitz]

Better than giving it to the Skinnys in MN.

Don't hide your bigotry!