We should raise the voting age requirement.

[AzogtheDefiler]

Raise voting age then you raise legal drinking age and age for one to be accepted into the military.

the drinking age and the age to be accepted into the military should be the same age.

Why?

if you can give your life for your country you should legally be able to drink a fucking beer.

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Adulthood needs to be set and then all things 'adult" need to be at that age.

at 18 one can legally sign contracts and die for their country, but they cannot drink or pay for a hooker, and now you morons want to make it so they cannot vote.

Yet you cannot rent a car until you're 25 and you missed the BOLD! I said if they serve it should still be 18.

Those are private corporations setting rental terms. There’s nothing in the law that prevents someone under 25 from renting a car.

You remain a dumbass.

It’s actually based on logic and that those with limited driving experience are insurance risks. You’re the real dumbass.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

Limit it to landholding men without regard to age.

Why only men?


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People. Should have said people.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

the drinking age and the age to be accepted into the military should be the same age.

Why?

if you can give your life for your country you should legally be able to drink a fucking beer.

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

26 is the new 18.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

Limit it to landholding men without regard to age.

Why only men?


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People. Should have said people.

he is the 2nd one that wants to limit voting to men only

 

[Harpy Eagle]

the drinking age and the age to be accepted into the military should be the same age.

Why?

if you can give your life for your country you should legally be able to drink a fucking beer.

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

I agree it is not, but then again 45 is not the same as it was 200 or even 25 years ago.

I very much dislike the varying ages for adulthood. If we changed the voting age, do we change the age for being tried as an adult for committing a crime? Or the age to legally sign a contract?

 

[candycorn]

We are seeing talk from some on the left about lowering the voting age to 16 so how many here if you could have voted at 16 would have followed national politics enough to really have an understanding of the issues or would you just have gone with whatever the popular theme of the moment was? I can tell you honestly at 16 following politics was not a priority for me.

Democrats and 16 YOs follow their idols in cults of personalities, not politics. They are easily led.

Thats hilarious.

And true.

You’re living proof (unless you’re 16) that the old and deranged are susceptible to cults as well.


Here is proof.

Has Trump ever lied to your face? Do you like being lied to?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are seeing talk from some on the left about lowering the voting age to 16 so how many here if you could have voted at 16 would have followed national politics enough to really have an understanding of the issues or would you just have gone with whatever the popular theme of the moment was? I can tell you honestly at 16 following politics was not a priority for me.

Democrats and 16 YOs follow their idols in cults of personalities, not politics. They are easily led.

Thats hilarious.

And true.

You’re living proof (unless you’re 16) that the old and deranged are susceptible to cults as well.


Here is proof.

Has Trump ever lied to your face? Do you like being lied to?

Irrelevant. I am against the Democratic Party, and all things connected with it.

 

[candycorn]

We are seeing talk from some on the left about lowering the voting age to 16 so how many here if you could have voted at 16 would have followed national politics enough to really have an understanding of the issues or would you just have gone with whatever the popular theme of the moment was? I can tell you honestly at 16 following politics was not a priority for me.

Democrats and 16 YOs follow their idols in cults of personalities, not politics. They are easily led.

Thats hilarious.

And true.

You’re living proof (unless you’re 16) that the old and deranged are susceptible to cults as well.


Here is proof.

Has Trump ever lied to your face? Do you like being lied to?

Irrelevant. I am against the Democratic Party, and all things connected with it.

Exhibit A of cult mentality. I’m sure Koresh’s followers said the same thing about the ATF.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

Yet another example of conservatives trying to disenfranchise citizens.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

Yet another example of conservatives trying to disenfranchise citizens.

I am not a conservative, I am an Independent. I am not a sheep to one party like you.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why?

if you can give your life for your country you should legally be able to drink a fucking beer.

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

I agree it is not, but then again 45 is not the same as it was 200 or even 25 years ago.

I very much dislike the varying ages for adulthood. If we changed the voting age, do we change the age for being tried as an adult for committing a crime? Or the age to legally sign a contract?

Good questions. All good questions. I would probably say, yes.

 

[Polishprince]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

I didn't vote in my first election until I was 24 in 1980, when I cast for Ronaldus Magnus.

The thing is back then, you had leftards like Jimmy Carter- but they really didn't emphasize giving away the story and providing all kinds of free stuff like Hard Core Ultralibs do today.

I guess we weren't as gullible, so they figured it was pointless.

Today they want to encourage teenagers to vote with the promises of free college, free medical, free money, and its actually working.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

if you can give your life for your country you should legally be able to drink a fucking beer.

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

I agree it is not, but then again 45 is not the same as it was 200 or even 25 years ago.

I very much dislike the varying ages for adulthood. If we changed the voting age, do we change the age for being tried as an adult for committing a crime? Or the age to legally sign a contract?

Good questions. All good questions. I would probably say, yes.

how about no to all of them, we put the drinking age back to 18 and treat them like the adults they are

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That sounds accurate and all...isn’t joining the military a choice? Are you saying that since an 18 year old can choose to join the military they must be considered good decision makers across the board?

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

I agree it is not, but then again 45 is not the same as it was 200 or even 25 years ago.

I very much dislike the varying ages for adulthood. If we changed the voting age, do we change the age for being tried as an adult for committing a crime? Or the age to legally sign a contract?

Good questions. All good questions. I would probably say, yes.

how about no to all of them, we put the drinking age back to 18 and treat them like the adults they are

Fine but we also eliminate the insurance carry until they are 26 so they have to act like adults and get jobs with their own insurance?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I am saying that you are an adult at 18 or you are not...it is that simple. Not more piecemeal adulthood.

I know many 50 year olds that are shitty decision makers, yet we let them drink and vote.


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I just think the 18 yr old now is not the same 18 yr old 200 or even 25 years ago. Hence it’s a debate.

I agree it is not, but then again 45 is not the same as it was 200 or even 25 years ago.

I very much dislike the varying ages for adulthood. If we changed the voting age, do we change the age for being tried as an adult for committing a crime? Or the age to legally sign a contract?

Good questions. All good questions. I would probably say, yes.

how about no to all of them, we put the drinking age back to 18 and treat them like the adults they are

Fine but we also eliminate the insurance carry until they are 26 so they have to act like adults and get jobs with their own insurance?

I have no problem them being carried while in college. I did so for my oldest and will for my other. I sure as hell do not recall paying for insurance when I was in college at 18 years old.

 

[ABikerSailor]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

You know, while it might sound good on paper to keep it at 18 if they serve in the military, consider this.........................out of all the people who are age eligible to join the military (18 to 35 years old), only 30 percent are even eligible to serve. And out of that 30 percent that are eligible, only around 1 percent actually join.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Adulthood needs to be set and then all things 'adult" need to be at that age.

at 18 one can legally sign contracts and die for their country, but they cannot drink or pay for a hooker, and now you morons want to make it so they cannot vote.

Agree, one age and be done with it, I remember when I was driving with my girlfriend and my twin boys pass a holiday inn, I am like we all can stay for free ( they had a sign kids18 and under, for free)

 

[Wyatt earp]

Adulthood needs to be set and then all things 'adult" need to be at that age.

at 18 one can legally sign contracts and die for their country, but they cannot drink or pay for a hooker, and now you morons want to make it so they cannot vote.

Agree, one age and be done with it, I remember when I was driving with my girlfriend and my twin boys pass a holiday inn, I am like we all can stay for free ( they had a sign kids18 and under, for free)

 

[ABikerSailor]

To 22.

Rationale:

When the Constitution was written people were getting married at 18 and starting families shortly thereafter. By 25-26 people were considered mature adults. These days kids can stay on their parents insurance until they are 26. I would still keep it at 18 IF these persons serve in the military. Otherwise I would raise it to 22. Fact is most young people lean very left. This is because they live cushy lives with their parents paying for everything and we have prologed this dependency adolescence now by allowing them to be on their parents insurance until they turn 26. Once people start getting jobs, career paths, having families, often times their political views change as well. They realize why it is important to have fiscal responsibility, strong education system for their kids, etc.

Thoughts?

I think the fact we have not had fiscal responsibility from our elected officials in longer than we have all be alive shows a flaw in your view that people find it important as they age. If that were the case then we would vote for such people, but we never do.

I do vote for such people but its too late. I leaned very left when I was younger and dumber so I just assumed money was always there. By the time I graduated college and got my first true job my political identity changed radically.

you might vote for such people, but the vast majority of people do not, even those over 25.

In my younger days I was a die hard, far right conservative. As I aged I became actually fiscally conservative and socially libertarian. I no longer think it is my place to tell other how to live their life.

You know, my story kinda echoes yours. I was raised by my Grandparents, and both of them were staunch conservatives. They also happened to be quite a bit bigoted and a little bit racist. I had conservative ideals because of them, but when I joined the Navy and got to my first command, we had yearly classes on something called Navy Rights and Responsibilities. It was there that I learned how many of my rights had been put on hold by my choice to serve in the military, and one of the biggest ones that was restricted was the First Amendment. Because of that, I learned that everyone has a right to speak their mind, even if I don't agree with it.