We righties need to be prepared for a Trump loss

Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?


If they work, why is the virus still here? NO, shutdowns do not work. What works is vaccines and treatments, we will have vaccines very shortly and treatment protocols are being used that are preventing deaths from covid. We are turning the corner on this chinese virus. Why exactly do you lefties want to completely destroy our economy, our culture, and your kida future?

How could we be turning a corner when cases are rising faster than ever?
My family is safe so far because we followed the Health experts guidelines.

My State is flooded once again because of those who refuse to! Explain that to me.

maybe you can explain why the new case spikes are in democrat controlled states which have been in virtual lockdown for months.
My Governor and the Legislature are Republican to the core. Yet we are back to stage 3.

That dog don’t hunt!
which state?

Idaho is my guess.
 
I was speaking specifically of taking off or putting on a mask. Hand washing is better. Just wash your hands or use hand sanitizer if you have to touch your mask.

Actually if I'm in a store and need a mask adjustment, I use my hand under my shirt.
How about simply to model good behavior? Wear gloves if you are worried about it. You should be washing your hands frequently anyway. Wash your hands after touching your mask if you can't take it off and put it on by the strings.

Wearing gloves is the worst thing you can do if you are going to use those same glove for other things. The virus lives longer on non-porous material than it does on your hands.

I was speaking specifically of taking off or putting on a mask. Hand washing is better. Just wash your hands or use hand sanitizer if you have to touch your mask.
I don't have a mask.
Because you don't give a shit. Which is why people keep dying.
Life is hard. But it's harder if you're stupid.
Life is hard, but lies are not. You can thank all those lost lives to the lies by Trump and junior. Murdering bastards!
 
Totally false Ray.... Mask mandates doesn’t stop you from going to work,shopping, schools, bars etc etc etc.... but gives you more confidence that others will wear mask to stop the spread of virus. In your situation you would think you will be a supporter of a mask mandate. You are only promoting this because of your support to Trump.

What can go wrong if mask mandate are issued?

The experts repeat the EXPERTS specify if we have a mask mandate we could have save 100,000+ deaths and fewer infections. That’s the experts in science. Not an opinion or conspiracies.

Here in Ca mask was mandated with penalties in some areas but still the highest deaths and infections here in US. The Hispanics are the highest casualties. Why? most are overcrowded in apartments or houses with kids with one bathroom. That doesn’t mean mask mandate is not working but it force those hard headed young adults and hardheaded whiteys to wear mask in public and gatherings. But still lots of churches, large gatherings and parties violated the mandates. It does NOT mean mask mandate it’s not working. Lots of Californians learned a hard lesson deaths and infections are way down in last 2 months. Thanks god.

Look at El Paso Texas. A REPUBLICAN CITY run by republican mayor and governor. Are in curfew, Closing some business venues, building rooms outside the hospital because they are overwhelmed with record high in hospitalizations.

Same in Miami Dade County, Florida a republican city mayor is in curfew and surge of deaths and infections.

CAN YOU SAY THAT ........ these republican cities are purposely inflating their numbers to get more money?

My only point is that there is little to no difference in places that have had lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing as there are that didn't have them. Now if you really want to stop the problem, no flights in and out of the country ever again. Nobody goes to work. Everything shuts down for a month or so. That means you won't be able to get food, toiletries, emergency help including doctors and hospitals. Is this what you want to see in our country?

I myself do wear a mask when in public, but I also believe in freedom. If I see somebody in the store without a mask, that's their decision even though we've had a mask mandate for about two months now. It doesn't seem to be doing much good, and even the national news is reporting on our state.

This is an invisible virus. It's not like it's the size of a basketball where we can see it and dodge it when it's heading our way. And rest assured the longer we have these mandates, the less tolerant people will get. At some point they take off the mask and say to hell with it. They'd rather risk death than to live like this the rest of their lives. And if Biden gets in and opens the border, it's only going to get much worse.
 
But it never really got build. 200 miles of the the great wall was a replacement already planned and budgeted for in the Obama admiration. A hundred new miles of the wall got built but as immigration people have been saying for years, the people will continue to come which they are doing. The remainder of the 1700 miles of border is the same as hit has been. The major impact on illegal immigration has been covid-19 not the wall. The only thing that is going change illegal immigration is the law.

The replacement walls were needed just as the new walls. The Border Patrol reported that over 400 miles of new walls have been built under President Trump. If you'd like to see a video of those walls that were replaced, let me know I'll post it for you. Some of them were just vehicle barriers that anybody could crawl over because they are only three or four feet high.
 
Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.

1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.

1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
Your personal insults seem to make up your posts. I would rather read people who think for themselves. Long or short.
Wrong. I asked a simple question. How long do antibodies last. Let’s see if you can answer it.
 
I was speaking specifically of taking off or putting on a mask. Hand washing is better. Just wash your hands or use hand sanitizer if you have to touch your mask.

Actually if I'm in a store and need a mask adjustment, I use my hand under my shirt.
How about simply to model good behavior? Wear gloves if you are worried about it. You should be washing your hands frequently anyway. Wash your hands after touching your mask if you can't take it off and put it on by the strings.

Wearing gloves is the worst thing you can do if you are going to use those same glove for other things. The virus lives longer on non-porous material than it does on your hands.

I was speaking specifically of taking off or putting on a mask. Hand washing is better. Just wash your hands or use hand sanitizer if you have to touch your mask.
I don't have a mask.
Because you don't give a shit. Which is why people keep dying.
Life is hard. But it's harder if you're stupid.
Life is hard, but lies are not. You can thank all those lost lives to the lies by Trump and junior. Murdering bastards!
Says the troll from China. This is a US Messageboard. Nice try though. Tell us again how China did everything right. Your words.
 
Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?


If they work, why is the virus still here?
In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.
Yes it is!!! Define “serious”
I doubt it will matter - you seem like you just want to fight - but the lockdowns the Chinese did, and the overall response in other Asian countries, was much more draconian that anything we've tried in the US. Now's where you say I'm wrong again and I really don't care. Goodbye.
 
Another point, the death rate in the USA for 2020 is on par with the last several years, there has been no spike in the overall death rate due to covid, even though many non covid deaths have been coded as covid. Pay hospitals extra for covid deaths and guess what, you get a lot of covid death certificates
On this you are wrong....we, As of a few weeks ago, have 300,000 excess deaths this year....vs last year...

200,000 of those excess 300,000 deaths over and above last year's and our average cause of deaths, can be attributed to the Corona virus deaths....but there are still an additional 100,000 deaths that are excess deaths, over and above what we normally have....

Doctors and scientists believe that some of these excess deaths can be some extra COVID deaths that occurred at home, and were not brought to the hospital, but most of the 100k excess deaths could be heart attacks and strokes and other diseases over and above last year's, where the people did not seek help because the hospitals were filled with covid patients or they were afraid to go to the hospital because they were scared of getting covid, and they died from not seeking help for their ailments, at home.


nope, not true. but you are right about one thing about hospitals -------code it covid and get more federal money.
As said, hospitals get reimbursed more money for COVID patients because it costs them a ton more, for taking care of the isolated covid patients, in medical machinery and new experimental drugs, and individual care, and PPE, than the average patient.

NO ONE NEEDS COVID written as a cause of death, to get more money reimbursed from Medicare.....

The diagnosis of covid when they are admitted to the hospital for the corona virus, triggers the extra reimbursement money....

NOT WHAT THESE PATIENTS DIED FROM or what is on their death certificates as a cause of death!!!


you just don't understand. treat a person with diabetes, he dies, code it covid, collect the extra money without spending any extra money. its called scamming the system and hospitals are very good at it. then the liars in the media, CDC, and WHO all scream "look at all the covid cases" geez woman, wake up.

216,000 still died of COVID-19!
I think it's at 229,000 right now. stats on the death from covid in the us - Google Search


OK, can you do simple math? if so tell us what % 229,000 is of 330,000,000. then do the same for car wreck deaths and abortions. Then report back.
OMG! Trump supporters actually are this stupid. 229,000 deaths from covid have nothing to do with car wrecks and abortions. 9 million infections, some with long lasting damage to organs and health, have nothing to do with car wrecks and abortions. Why do people have to be this damn stupid?


since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

BTW, Trump did not bring the virus here, China sent it. Trump did not put covid infected patients in nursing homes with well people thereby causing roughly half of the covid deaths in this country, No, the mayors and governors of NY, MIch, and NJ did that.
 
How do you not understand clear data? Where mask mandates were put in place, infection rates stayed flat. No masks, double the infection rates. It's not rocket surgery.






Correct, this is not rocket surgery; whatever the hell rocket surgery is.
How do you not get that it would be much worse without the mask mandates?

How do you still believe masks help?
Because I believe in facts and follow the science.
The people who say mask wearing is not necessary are the same people who insisted the world is flat, back in the day.
Maybe some of these idiots think the world is flat.
Trump has given a voice to the stupidest among us.
I work in an ER 5 nights a week. I have more first hand experience with this virus than anyone here.

My opinion is based on what I have seen with my own eyes, and not what some so-called "expert" who is constantly reversing himself has to say.


You go on and believe whatever you want, and wear whatever you want; I don't care. But you are not going to tell me what I must do, and if you try, I will embarrass you publicly by telling you and everyone in earshot what a simple-minded, spineless, nosy little punk-ass busybody I think you are.
If you keep your dickhole shut and mind your own business though, I will politely refrain from sharing my feelings of deep disgust at your stupidity, and craven cowardice.
God help you and you definitely need God's help. You are a neon sign screaming stupidity. You arrogance make your stupidity even more disgusting. It is not all about you. It is about our society and your fellow citizens. You are a self-centerd stupid ass hole who is a cancer on our society.

It seems like you are calling him a Democrat. Most Democrats are the self centered and think they are God’s gift to the world. They possess the arrogance that they and they alone are best to make decisions for others, sort of like you.
You just described Trump and his cult! Thanks!


nope, he accurately described you and your band of mindless zombie democrats who blindly follow the leads and instructions of your masters in DC and are incapable of thinking for yourselves.
Now, that is funny coming from an Apprentice Lover.

BTW, Producers said he had a terrible time remembering his words for that. They had take after take.

imagine, not remembering,” You Are Fired! LOL!


never watched that show one time, but I am quite sure that you watch the View idiots every day and worship their shit.
 
Another point, the death rate in the USA for 2020 is on par with the last several years, there has been no spike in the overall death rate due to covid, even though many non covid deaths have been coded as covid. Pay hospitals extra for covid deaths and guess what, you get a lot of covid death certificates
On this you are wrong....we, As of a few weeks ago, have 300,000 excess deaths this year....vs last year...

200,000 of those excess 300,000 deaths over and above last year's and our average cause of deaths, can be attributed to the Corona virus deaths....but there are still an additional 100,000 deaths that are excess deaths, over and above what we normally have....

Doctors and scientists believe that some of these excess deaths can be some extra COVID deaths that occurred at home, and were not brought to the hospital, but most of the 100k excess deaths could be heart attacks and strokes and other diseases over and above last year's, where the people did not seek help because the hospitals were filled with covid patients or they were afraid to go to the hospital because they were scared of getting covid, and they died from not seeking help for their ailments, at home.


nope, not true. but you are right about one thing about hospitals -------code it covid and get more federal money.
As said, hospitals get reimbursed more money for COVID patients because it costs them a ton more, for taking care of the isolated covid patients, in medical machinery and new experimental drugs, and individual care, and PPE, than the average patient.

NO ONE NEEDS COVID written as a cause of death, to get more money reimbursed from Medicare.....

The diagnosis of covid when they are admitted to the hospital for the corona virus, triggers the extra reimbursement money....

NOT WHAT THESE PATIENTS DIED FROM or what is on their death certificates as a cause of death!!!


you just don't understand. treat a person with diabetes, he dies, code it covid, collect the extra money without spending any extra money. its called scamming the system and hospitals are very good at it. then the liars in the media, CDC, and WHO all scream "look at all the covid cases" geez woman, wake up.

216,000 still died of COVID-19!
I think it's at 229,000 right now. stats on the death from covid in the us - Google Search


OK, can you do simple math? if so tell us what % 229,000 is of 330,000,000. then do the same for car wreck deaths and abortions. Then report back.
OMG! Trump supporters actually are this stupid. 229,000 deaths from covid have nothing to do with car wrecks and abortions. 9 million infections, some with long lasting damage to organs and health, have nothing to do with car wrecks and abortions. Why do people have to be this damn stupid?


since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

BTW, Trump did not bring the virus here, China sent it. Trump did not put covid infected patients in nursing homes with well people thereby causing roughly half of the covid deaths in this country, No, the mayors and governors of NY, MIch, and NJ did that.
Trump put covid infected patients on airplanes coming from Europe headed to the US. He's an idiot who got caught lying about covid, telling us it was a hoax, then telling Woodward it was five times more serious than the flu. He's lied the whole time about it. Even now.
 
since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

Also to note that life is about taking chances. People ride motorcycles with no helmet, smoke cigarettes or pot. Get involved in recreational narcotics. What would life be if we confined ourselves to things which have no risk to them?
 
Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?


If they work, why is the virus still here? NO, shutdowns do not work. What works is vaccines and treatments, we will have vaccines very shortly and treatment protocols are being used that are preventing deaths from covid. We are turning the corner on this chinese virus. Why exactly do you lefties want to completely destroy our economy, our culture, and your kida future?

How could we be turning a corner when cases are rising faster than ever?
My family is safe so far because we followed the Health experts guidelines.

My State is flooded once again because of those who refuse to! Explain that to me.

maybe you can explain why the new case spikes are in democrat controlled states which have been in virtual lockdown for months.
My Governor and the Legislature are Republican to the core. Yet we are back to stage 3.

That dog don’t hunt!
which state?

Idaho is my guess.
Wrong, dead wrong.
 
since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

Also to note that life is about taking chances. People ride motorcycles with no helmet, smoke cigarettes or pot. Get involved in recreational narcotics. What would life be if we confined ourselves to things which have no risk to them?

That is also why so many die young. Too ignorant to wear helmets or seat belts. Smoke until their lungs are black with tar, they die of cancer.

Maybe you want to spend this life strung out. Most of us prefer living without drugs of all kinds. And you think you are having fun.
 
There are markers in blood and sputum samples that would indicate covid. Also antibody test would show elevated levels plus the standard corvid tests. If the patients medical records show these tests are negative, the patient does not have covid. Keep in mind having a diagnosis of Covid or Colon Cancer is not sufficient to list it as a cause of death. Each of these diseases have very different chains of events resulting in death.

Covid-19 deaths will have major lung damage and the most common immediate cause of death will be repertory failure or coronary thrombosis.

When they called my cousin and told him his father tested positive, he responded that it was not possible because nobody in the household had any symptoms. Then they changed their story to his father was asymptomatic. Okay, asymptomatic means you don't even know you have it, and won't give you any complications. So why did his death certificate read it was a Covid death?

Look, bottom line is that hospitals are not listing the death as COVID if the patient didn't have freaking COVID. Numbers are NOT being over reported, in fact experts say that numbers are UNDER reported. You don't have to have symptoms to have the virus and those are the ones that are most likely to spread it. Your uncle, while careful, did have contact with other people as well as items that may have contained the virus.

People are dying every day by the hundreds OF THIS VIRUS. Wear the mask, wash your hands, stay home whenever you can and we CAN get past this. It's going to take new (actual) leadership and not abdication, but we can and will beat this virus. (actually beat it, not declare victory while a thousand people a day die)
Nah, not really though.
Beating the virus today simple means reducing hospitalizations and saving lives. There was a narrow window back in early March when we had only a few cases in which testing/contact tracing/quarantining could have made a huge difference. However, at that time the Trump administration's testing was inaccurate and very limited. There was no plan for containing the epidemic and the president was downplaying it's importance. Within a month there was no chance of stopping the virus. From that point on, the only option was mitigation, hopping people would follow the CDC guidelines and lockdowns to make sure hospitals were able to meet the needs of the community.
You’re wrong. No one knew how severe this was. Stop blaming Trump, the entire world is on fire. Hospital were never overrun. This kills the old and feeble. Such is life.
Yes, the president did know how severe this was in Jan, Feb, and March and he lied to American people and did every thing in his power to downplay it, ignore it, and oppose measures to impede it. To Trump, the virus was an existential threat to his re-election so he tried to deny it and downplay it and ended up in a battle against the the US healthcare authorities.

Trump certainly knew about. His intelligence people were briefing him weakly. All reports from China and the WHO indicated a major new virus. His medical advisors were warning him and he did nothing to prepare the country.

The WHO Outbreak News published on Jan 5th contained a risk assessment.
On Jan 10, the WHO issued a warning an immediate preparations that should be taken.
China published the genetic sequence on Jan 12th.
On Jan. 14th, WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases).
On Jan. 13th, 14th, and 15th, the first cases outside of China were discovered in Japan, South Korea, and China.
On Jan 20th, the first confirmed cases outside of China was confirmed
On Jan 22, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.
On Jan 30th, the WHO Emergency Committee, issued a Public Health Emergency of International Warning.
On Feb 3rd, the WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states
On Feb 16th Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO met with over 400 representatives around the world to discuss the seriousness of the virus
On February 28, Donald Trump announced that the virus was just the Flu and that democrat warning were just a hoax.
On February 28th the first outbreak in the US was reported.
On March 1st Donald Trump announced the virus was under control.
As of Oct, 28th there are have been over 9 million cases in the US and 235,000 deaths

WTF with your super long fake news posts. No one knew!!! We still don’t know. Tell me how long the antibodies last. Let’s test your theory. Again, be concise, be relevant. We never should have shut down.
We have never know as much about a new virus as we now know about coronavirus. To limit transmission, we do not need to know how long immunity last after recovery. Masks, social distancing, and quarantining reduce transmission of coronavirus just as it has reduced transmission of other airborne viruses.

Shutting down businesses and schools are necessary when ICU's start reaching capacity. Many ICU's across the country are approaching full capacity and the season for airborne respiratory viruses is just starting. I believe before the end of year we will see shutdowns in many major cities as ICU's fill up.
 
Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?


If they work, why is the virus still here? NO, shutdowns do not work. What works is vaccines and treatments, we will have vaccines very shortly and treatment protocols are being used that are preventing deaths from covid. We are turning the corner on this chinese virus. Why exactly do you lefties want to completely destroy our economy, our culture, and your kida future?

How could we be turning a corner when cases are rising faster than ever?
My family is safe so far because we followed the Health experts guidelines.

My State is flooded once again because of those who refuse to! Explain that to me.

maybe you can explain why the new case spikes are in democrat controlled states which have been in virtual lockdown for months.
My Governor and the Legislature are Republican to the core. Yet we are back to stage 3.

That dog don’t hunt!
which state?

Idaho is my guess.
Wrong, dead wrong.
Sure I am. Lol!
 

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