Zone1 If you don't believe in the real Jesus and His Church, you are a heretic

[The Irish Ram]

So it's on him. He shouldn't have any sort of expectations for that. Sure, thanks and all but I never asked for his "gift"

And He'll never force you to accept it. He just thought you were worth the risk...

 

[Arlette]

And He'll never force you to accept it. He just thought you were worth the risk...

That's good. My tip to you is to be careful around Christians. You can't trust 'em.

 

[Meriweather]

I never asked Jesus to shed his blood for me. He did that on his own.

This goes back to the beginning of man when mankind chose disobedience over obedience to God. It's a long story, but essentially God said he was not giving up on mankind, that sins are forgiven, when one turns to obedience to God. This upset some religious leaders (some guy spreading the news that sins are forgiven), and they had him put to death by crucifixion. Today, pretty much the whole world now knows Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus chose obedience to God (and crucifixion) over disobedience, was resurrected from the dead, exemplifying obedience to God defeats all enemies, even death.

 

[Meriweather]

You can't trust 'em.

Jesus is the only one you need to trust.

 

[Arlette]

This goes back to the beginning of man when mankind chose disobedience over obedience to God. It's a long story, but essentially God said he was not giving up on mankind, that sins are forgiven, when one turns to obedience to God. This upset some religious leaders (some guy spreading the news that sins are forgiven), and they had him put to death by crucifixion. Today, pretty much the whole world now knows Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus chose obedience to God (and crucifixion) over disobedience, was resurrected from the dead, exemplifying obedience to God defeats all enemies, even death.

I have a few things to deal with that keep me from becoming a believer. Number one is of course that I live in the 21st century. Also, I can read. And I'm more than nine years old.

 

[Arlette]

Jesus is the only one you need to trust.

Wrong. Don't ever trust people who can clear their conscience by asking their invisible friend for forgiveness.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Wrong. Don't ever trust people who can clear their conscience by asking their invisible friend for forgiveness.

Thing is, if it's not true, and I die, I lose nothing. If it is true, and you die you lose everything, for eternity.

 

[Arlette]

Thing is, if it's not true, and I die, I lose nothing. If it is true, and you die you lose everything, for eternity.

You just like the idea that all of creation happened with little ol you in mind. That's all.

 

[ESay]

He was probably killed mostly because He made Himself God, or so went the accusation but He didn't have to make himself God. He was/is God already.

The Romans didn't like competition. In ancient Rome, leaders like Caesar were considered gods.

He hardly considered himself any kind of god. He was a devoted Jew, and 'being' a god is completely off for the Jewish tradition.

 

[The Irish Ram]

He hardly considered himself any kind of god. He was a devoted Jew, and 'being' a god is completely off for the Jewish tradition.

John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

There are about 30 more scriptures where Jesus claimed to be a deity.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You just like the idea that all of creation happened with little ol you in mind. That's all.

And you like the idea that your ancestors were gorillas. To each his own...

 

[ESay]

John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

There are about 30 more scriptures where Jesus claimed to be a deity.

And there are tons of writings that support these scriptures and there are tons of writings that deny them. One can believe in everything they want.

 

[The Irish Ram]

What tons of writings that claim Jesus denied He was a deity?

 

[Arlette]

What tons of writings that claim Jesus denied He was a deity?

Little Jesus knew that Joseph wasn't his real dad. All the other kids knew it too and they teased and bullied him about it. So little Jesus invented himself a father that nobody dared to make fun off.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And yet His Father had been around long before Jesus showed up.

 

[GMCGeneral]

So it's on him. He shouldn't have any sort of expectations for that. Sure, thanks and all but I never asked for his "gift"

Why? You must be afraid of Him.

 

[GMCGeneral]

John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

There are about 30 more scriptures where Jesus claimed to be a deity.

John 8:58- "Before Abraham was I AM". That is the most blatant declaration of all, ESPECIALLY to Jews.

 

[Meriweather]

I have a few things to deal with that keep me from becoming a believer. Number one is of course that I live in the 21st century. Also, I can read. And I'm more than nine years old.

God is as close to those living in the 21st century as he has been from the beginning. Jesus could also read, so you already have something in common with him. One of his favorites was the book of Isaiah. Jesus was also more than nine years old (twelve) when he felt the call to be about his Father's business.

Back in his own time, it appears many came to believe because of miracles Jesus performed. But what about all those who didn't need a miracle? Why should they believe? Perhaps, like me, they decided to give his teachings a wholehearted trial and to see what became of them (and me). I started with the Beatitudes and from there his teachings of the kingdom.

 

[Ace Nova]

John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

There are about 30 more scriptures where Jesus claimed to be a deity.

Many of which are misinterpreted and misunderstood.

John 8:58- "Before Abraham was I AM". That is the most blatant declaration of all, ESPECIALLY to Jews.

If you read the previous passages, you would understand that Jesus was stating that God existed before Abraham. It's a direct reference to Exodus 3:13:

God Reveals His Name.[g] Moses said to God, “If I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your ancestors sent me to you,’ but they say to me, ‘What is his name,’ what should I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM who I AM.”Then he said, “You will say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM sent me to you.’

” 15 God also said to Moses, “You will say to the children of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, sent me to you.’ This is my name forever. This is the title with which I will be remembered from one generation to the next.”

1. Exodus 3:13 In Semitic thought, for a person to reveal his name to someone was equivalent to putting himself in that person’s power. When the Lord of Israel describes himself as “He who is” (Yahweh), as the One who is there for his people, he is refusing to manifest himself completely, while at the same time revealing himself to be the living God who is always present in the midst of his people and involved with them. In the same way, Jesus will reassure his Apostles at the time of his leaving them: “I am with you always” (Mt 28:20).
2. Exodus 3:14 I am who I am: later, as a show of awe and respect, the title Adonai, “my Lord,” would be used.

 

[Meriweather]

Wrong. Don't ever trust people who can clear their conscience by asking their invisible friend for forgiveness.

Recall it is repentance, a turning away from the sin because one has had a complete change of heart regarding ever committing that sin again. Then there is the matter of restitution with those who have been affected by the sin. When full restitution is beyond one's ability, that is when we ask for and rely on God's healing work in the lives we have hurt.