We righties need to be prepared for a Trump loss

[Flash]

LOL!

Biden hatemobile surrounded by Americans

 

[Flopper]

Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?

If they work, why is the virus still here?

In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.

bullshit, NY, CAL,,MIch, still in lockdown and still having new cases. In states that have reopened, Ga, ID, FL, TX, no more cases per capita than in the dem bastions of NY, Cal, and MIch

We've had no serious lockdowns in the US. I'm not sure we could pull it off here. But the countries that were able to do so, have very low rates of infection. They knocked it down quick and hard, and moved on. China's economy is booming now.

I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.

 

[Arresmillao]

Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.

1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.

1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.

Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist

Your personal insults seem to make up your posts. I would rather read people who think for themselves. Long or short.

Wrong. I asked a simple question. How long do antibodies last. Let’s see if you can answer it.

you are a moron, now a scientist wannabe?, for your info, immune response is different for every person, and to each different antigen, there are responses that last for a lifetime, like polio virus, and some that don't even elicit an appropriate immune response, such as HIV, some influenza viruses, etc., but in any case, this is too complicated an issue for a trump cult follower like you to understand, just stick to right wing conspiracy theories fantasies....

 

[BWK]

since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

Also to note that life is about taking chances. People ride motorcycles with no helmet, smoke cigarettes or pot. Get involved in recreational narcotics. What would life be if we confined ourselves to things which have no risk to them?

This level of stupidity is absolutely stunning. These folks have zero understanding of the difference between taking chances versus taking precautions. It's as if precautions do not exist, so the only option is taking chances. SMH! How can the human mind manage to devolve into such a vegetative state like that?

 

[Flopper]

Totally false Ray.... Mask mandates doesn’t stop you from going to work,shopping, schools, bars etc etc etc.... but gives you more confidence that others will wear mask to stop the spread of virus. In your situation you would think you will be a supporter of a mask mandate. You are only promoting this because of your support to Trump.

What can go wrong if mask mandate are issued?

The experts repeat the EXPERTS specify if we have a mask mandate we could have save 100,000+ deaths and fewer infections. That’s the experts in science. Not an opinion or conspiracies.

Here in Ca mask was mandated with penalties in some areas but still the highest deaths and infections here in US. The Hispanics are the highest casualties. Why? most are overcrowded in apartments or houses with kids with one bathroom. That doesn’t mean mask mandate is not working but it force those hard headed young adults and hardheaded whiteys to wear mask in public and gatherings. But still lots of churches, large gatherings and parties violated the mandates. It does NOT mean mask mandate it’s not working. Lots of Californians learned a hard lesson deaths and infections are way down in last 2 months. Thanks god.

Look at El Paso Texas. A REPUBLICAN CITY run by republican mayor and governor. Are in curfew, Closing some business venues, building rooms outside the hospital because they are overwhelmed with record high in hospitalizations.

Same in Miami Dade County, Florida a republican city mayor is in curfew and surge of deaths and infections.

CAN YOU SAY THAT ........ these republican cities are purposely inflating their numbers to get more money?

My only point is that there is little to no difference in places that have had lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing as there are that didn't have them. Now if you really want to stop the problem, no flights in and out of the country ever again. Nobody goes to work. Everything shuts down for a month or so. That means you won't be able to get food, toiletries, emergency help including doctors and hospitals. Is this what you want to see in our country?

I myself do wear a mask when in public, but I also believe in freedom. If I see somebody in the store without a mask, that's their decision even though we've had a mask mandate for about two months now. It doesn't seem to be doing much good, and even the national news is reporting on our state.

This is an invisible virus. It's not like it's the size of a basketball where we can see it and dodge it when it's heading our way. And rest assured the longer we have these mandates, the less tolerant people will get. At some point they take off the mask and say to hell with it. They'd rather risk death than to live like this the rest of their lives. And if Biden gets in and opens the border, it's only going to get much worse.

It depends on what you call a lockdown and what the goal is. The purpose of shutting down businesses and schools and lockdowns in the US was to reduce hospitalization and that did work. Hospital occupancy dropped by nearly 50%. In fact it went down so much there were layoffs.

We started shutting things down between March 17 and April 15 and started opening up between the first week of May and the first week of June. US daily deaths peaked on April 15 at 2,692 and fell to a low of 270 on July 5th. However this was not a national lockdown and in most cities there was no real enforcement and in some cities, the lockdown was just curfews and reduce business hours. Even so, the hospital occupancy curve flattened and fell.

As far as your personal protection, it comes mostly from what others do. Wearing masks, social distancing, and quarantining, protects others but offers only limited protection for you. In cultures where protecting others and following rules and mandates is a very high priority such as in Japan and South Korea, Coronavirus has been only a minor problem with deaths only by about 5% of US deaths. Today, there unemployment is low and business is good. A low level of social consciousness and a high level of personal freedom can be disastrous in an epidemic.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[BWK]

since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

Also to note that life is about taking chances. People ride motorcycles with no helmet, smoke cigarettes or pot. Get involved in recreational narcotics. What would life be if we confined ourselves to things which have no risk to them?

That is also why so many die young. Too ignorant to wear helmets or seat belts. Smoke until their lungs are black with tar, they die of cancer.

Maybe you want to spend this life strung out. Most of us prefer living without drugs of all kinds. And you think you are having fun.

How did these people devolve into such brainless beings? Their logic seems to ignore everything remotely intelligent.

 

[Seawytch]

We could care less who pays for it as long as it's built. Mexico paying for it is your hangup on the left--not ours.

Not all debts are paid with cash or a check.

Payment in kind (tariffs, troops at the border, confiscated drug lord cash) works just as well.

Yeah? So when is he paying back the money he stole from the kids of servicemembers to pay for the wall that's not built yet?

Pentagon pulls funds for military schools, daycare to pay for Trump's border wall

The Pentagon said on Wednesday it would pull funding from 127 Defense Department projects, including schools and daycare centers for military families, as it diverts $3.6 billion to fund President Donald Trump's wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

www.reuters.com

no money was "stolen" from military kids, stop the lying, bitchey.

Pentagon pulls funds for military schools, daycare to pay for Trump's border wall

The Pentagon said on Wednesday it would pull funding from 127 Defense Department projects, including schools and daycare centers for military families, as it diverts $3.6 billion to fund President Donald Trump's wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

www.reuters.com

Wrong as usual cowardly fish.

The Pentagon said on Wednesday it would pull funding from 127 Defense Department projects, including schools and daycare centers for military families

Just more evidence that Donnie Covidseed hates the military.

 

[BWK]

Totally false Ray.... Mask mandates doesn’t stop you from going to work,shopping, schools, bars etc etc etc.... but gives you more confidence that others will wear mask to stop the spread of virus. In your situation you would think you will be a supporter of a mask mandate. You are only promoting this because of your support to Trump.

What can go wrong if mask mandate are issued?

The experts repeat the EXPERTS specify if we have a mask mandate we could have save 100,000+ deaths and fewer infections. That’s the experts in science. Not an opinion or conspiracies.

Here in Ca mask was mandated with penalties in some areas but still the highest deaths and infections here in US. The Hispanics are the highest casualties. Why? most are overcrowded in apartments or houses with kids with one bathroom. That doesn’t mean mask mandate is not working but it force those hard headed young adults and hardheaded whiteys to wear mask in public and gatherings. But still lots of churches, large gatherings and parties violated the mandates. It does NOT mean mask mandate it’s not working. Lots of Californians learned a hard lesson deaths and infections are way down in last 2 months. Thanks god.

Look at El Paso Texas. A REPUBLICAN CITY run by republican mayor and governor. Are in curfew, Closing some business venues, building rooms outside the hospital because they are overwhelmed with record high in hospitalizations.

Same in Miami Dade County, Florida a republican city mayor is in curfew and surge of deaths and infections.

CAN YOU SAY THAT ........ these republican cities are purposely inflating their numbers to get more money?

My only point is that there is little to no difference in places that have had lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing as there are that didn't have them. Now if you really want to stop the problem, no flights in and out of the country ever again. Nobody goes to work. Everything shuts down for a month or so. That means you won't be able to get food, toiletries, emergency help including doctors and hospitals. Is this what you want to see in our country?

I myself do wear a mask when in public, but I also believe in freedom. If I see somebody in the store without a mask, that's their decision even though we've had a mask mandate for about two months now. It doesn't seem to be doing much good, and even the national news is reporting on our state.

This is an invisible virus. It's not like it's the size of a basketball where we can see it and dodge it when it's heading our way. And rest assured the longer we have these mandates, the less tolerant people will get. At some point they take off the mask and say to hell with it. They'd rather risk death than to live like this the rest of their lives. And if Biden gets in and opens the border, it's only going to get much worse.

It depends on what you call a lockdown and what the goal is. The purpose of shutting down businesses and schools and lockdowns in the US was to reduce hospitalization and that did work. Hospital occupancy dropped by nearly 50% We started shutting things down between March 17 and April 15 and started opening up between first week of May and the first week of June. US daily deaths peaked on April 15 at 2,692 and fell to a low of 270 on July 5th. However this was not a national lockdown and in most cities there was no enforcement and in some cities, the lockdown was just curfews and reduce business hours. Even so, the hospital occupacy curve fallen and fell.

As far as your personal protection, it comes mostly from what others do. Wearing masks, social distancing, and quarantining, protects others but offers only limited protection for you. In cultures where protecting others and following rules and mandates is a very high priority such as in Japan and South Korea, Coronavirus has been only a minor problem with deaths only by about 5% of US deaths. Today, there unemployment is low and business is good. A low level of social consciousness and a high level of personal freedom can be disastrous in an epidemic.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I've said it many times with no answer, from those who could care less about covid or other people. What's the difference in me driving drunk, getting you killed, I survive, pay a fine, then get charged for manslaughter, versus another person not wearing a mask in a public place, jeopardizing my safety? The act of jeopardizing my safety is the same, is it not? It may not be a law, but the result can certainly be the same. It all comes down to caring in the end.

 

[BWK]

LOL!

Biden hatemobile surrounded by Americans

Intimidation! What are they afraid of?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

There are markers in blood and sputum samples that would indicate covid. Also antibody test would show elevated levels plus the standard corvid tests. If the patients medical records show these tests are negative, the patient does not have covid. Keep in mind having a diagnosis of Covid or Colon Cancer is not sufficient to list it as a cause of death. Each of these diseases have very different chains of events resulting in death.

Covid-19 deaths will have major lung damage and the most common immediate cause of death will be repertory failure or coronary thrombosis.

When they called my cousin and told him his father tested positive, he responded that it was not possible because nobody in the household had any symptoms. Then they changed their story to his father was asymptomatic. Okay, asymptomatic means you don't even know you have it, and won't give you any complications. So why did his death certificate read it was a Covid death?

Look, bottom line is that hospitals are not listing the death as COVID if the patient didn't have freaking COVID. Numbers are NOT being over reported, in fact experts say that numbers are UNDER reported. You don't have to have symptoms to have the virus and those are the ones that are most likely to spread it. Your uncle, while careful, did have contact with other people as well as items that may have contained the virus.

People are dying every day by the hundreds OF THIS VIRUS. Wear the mask, wash your hands, stay home whenever you can and we CAN get past this. It's going to take new (actual) leadership and not abdication, but we can and will beat this virus. (actually beat it, not declare victory while a thousand people a day die)

Nah, not really though.

Beating the virus today simple means reducing hospitalizations and saving lives. There was a narrow window back in early March when we had only a few cases in which testing/contact tracing/quarantining could have made a huge difference. However, at that time the Trump administration's testing was inaccurate and very limited. There was no plan for containing the epidemic and the president was downplaying it's importance. Within a month there was no chance of stopping the virus. From that point on, the only option was mitigation, hopping people would follow the CDC guidelines and lockdowns to make sure hospitals were able to meet the needs of the community.

You’re wrong. No one knew how severe this was. Stop blaming Trump, the entire world is on fire. Hospital were never overrun. This kills the old and feeble. Such is life.

Yes, the president did know how severe this was in Jan, Feb, and March and he lied to American people and did every thing in his power to downplay it, ignore it, and oppose measures to impede it. To Trump, the virus was an existential threat to his re-election so he tried to deny it and downplay it and ended up in a battle against the the US healthcare authorities.

Trump certainly knew about. His intelligence people were briefing him weakly. All reports from China and the WHO indicated a major new virus. His medical advisors were warning him and he did nothing to prepare the country.

The WHO Outbreak News published on Jan 5th contained a risk assessment.
On Jan 10, the WHO issued a warning an immediate preparations that should be taken.
China published the genetic sequence on Jan 12th.
On Jan. 14th, WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases).
On Jan. 13th, 14th, and 15th, the first cases outside of China were discovered in Japan, South Korea, and China.
On Jan 20th, the first confirmed cases outside of China was confirmed
On Jan 22, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.
On Jan 30th, the WHO Emergency Committee, issued a Public Health Emergency of International Warning.
On Feb 3rd, the WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states
On Feb 16th Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO met with over 400 representatives around the world to discuss the seriousness of the virus
On February 28, Donald Trump announced that the virus was just the Flu and that democrat warning were just a hoax.
On February 28th the first outbreak in the US was reported.
On March 1st Donald Trump announced the virus was under control.
As of Oct, 28th there are have been over 9 million cases in the US and 235,000 deaths

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Archived: WHO Timeline - COVID-19

31 Dec 2019China reported a cluster of cases of in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.1 January 2020WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level...

www.who.int

A Timeline of the Coronavirus Pandemic

The outbreak of the virus, which began in Wuhan, China, has sickened more than 14.7 million people. At least 610,200 people have died.

www.nytimes.com

WTF with your super long fake news posts. No one knew!!! We still don’t know. Tell me how long the antibodies last. Let’s test your theory. Again, be concise, be relevant. We never should have shut down.

We have never know as much about a new virus as we now know about coronavirus. To limit transmission, we do not need to know how long immunity last after recovery. Masks, social distancing, and quarantining reduce transmission of coronavirus just as it has reduced transmission of other airborne viruses.

Shutting down businesses and schools are necessary when ICU's start reaching capacity. Many ICU's across the country are approaching full capacity and the season for airborne respiratory viruses is just starting. I believe before the end of year we will see shutdowns in many major cities as ICU's fill up.

Nothing you said is factual. Zero. ICUs aren’t at capacity. 99.97% survival rate. Why do you lie so much? Why do you hate our country and our children. My kids are tired of zoom schooling.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.

Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?

If they work, why is the virus still here?

In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.

bullshit, NY, CAL,,MIch, still in lockdown and still having new cases. In states that have reopened, Ga, ID, FL, TX, no more cases per capita than in the dem bastions of NY, Cal, and MIch

We've had no serious lockdowns in the US. I'm not sure we could pull it off here. But the countries that were able to do so, have very low rates of infection. They knocked it down quick and hard, and moved on. China's economy is booming now.

I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.

Nope. More lies. More lockdowns equals more deaths. You hate America

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.

1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.

1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.

Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist

Your personal insults seem to make up your posts. I would rather read people who think for themselves. Long or short.

Wrong. I asked a simple question. How long do antibodies last. Let’s see if you can answer it.

you are a moron, now a scientist wannabe?, for your info, immune response is different for every person, and to each different antigen, there are responses that last for a lifetime, like polio virus, and some that don't even elicit an appropriate immune response, such as HIV, some influenza viruses, etc., but in any case, this is too complicated an issue for a trump cult follower like you to understand, just stick to right wing conspiracy theories fantasies....

99.97% recovery rate. You’re a coward and you’re not an American, Jose. Open the country. Virus only kills the weak. You should be scared.

 

[Papageorgio]

Totally false Ray.... Mask mandates doesn’t stop you from going to work,shopping, schools, bars etc etc etc.... but gives you more confidence that others will wear mask to stop the spread of virus. In your situation you would think you will be a supporter of a mask mandate. You are only promoting this because of your support to Trump.

What can go wrong if mask mandate are issued?

The experts repeat the EXPERTS specify if we have a mask mandate we could have save 100,000+ deaths and fewer infections. That’s the experts in science. Not an opinion or conspiracies.

Here in Ca mask was mandated with penalties in some areas but still the highest deaths and infections here in US. The Hispanics are the highest casualties. Why? most are overcrowded in apartments or houses with kids with one bathroom. That doesn’t mean mask mandate is not working but it force those hard headed young adults and hardheaded whiteys to wear mask in public and gatherings. But still lots of churches, large gatherings and parties violated the mandates. It does NOT mean mask mandate it’s not working. Lots of Californians learned a hard lesson deaths and infections are way down in last 2 months. Thanks god.

Look at El Paso Texas. A REPUBLICAN CITY run by republican mayor and governor. Are in curfew, Closing some business venues, building rooms outside the hospital because they are overwhelmed with record high in hospitalizations.

Same in Miami Dade County, Florida a republican city mayor is in curfew and surge of deaths and infections.

CAN YOU SAY THAT ........ these republican cities are purposely inflating their numbers to get more money?

My only point is that there is little to no difference in places that have had lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing as there are that didn't have them. Now if you really want to stop the problem, no flights in and out of the country ever again. Nobody goes to work. Everything shuts down for a month or so. That means you won't be able to get food, toiletries, emergency help including doctors and hospitals. Is this what you want to see in our country?

I myself do wear a mask when in public, but I also believe in freedom. If I see somebody in the store without a mask, that's their decision even though we've had a mask mandate for about two months now. It doesn't seem to be doing much good, and even the national news is reporting on our state.

This is an invisible virus. It's not like it's the size of a basketball where we can see it and dodge it when it's heading our way. And rest assured the longer we have these mandates, the less tolerant people will get. At some point they take off the mask and say to hell with it. They'd rather risk death than to live like this the rest of their lives. And if Biden gets in and opens the border, it's only going to get much worse.

It depends on what you call a lockdown and what the goal is. The purpose of shutting down businesses and schools and lockdowns in the US was to reduce hospitalization and that did work. Hospital occupancy dropped by nearly 50% We started shutting things down between March 17 and April 15 and started opening up between first week of May and the first week of June. US daily deaths peaked on April 15 at 2,692 and fell to a low of 270 on July 5th. However this was not a national lockdown and in most cities there was no enforcement and in some cities, the lockdown was just curfews and reduce business hours. Even so, the hospital occupacy curve fallen and fell.

As far as your personal protection, it comes mostly from what others do. Wearing masks, social distancing, and quarantining, protects others but offers only limited protection for you. In cultures where protecting others and following rules and mandates is a very high priority such as in Japan and South Korea, Coronavirus has been only a minor problem with deaths only by about 5% of US deaths. Today, there unemployment is low and business is good. A low level of social consciousness and a high level of personal freedom can be disastrous in an epidemic.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I've said it many times with no answer, from those who could care less about covid or other people. What's the difference in me driving drunk, getting you killed, I survive, pay a fine, then get charged for manslaughter, versus another person not wearing a mask in a public place, jeopardizing my safety? The act of jeopardizing my safety is the same, is it not? It may not be a law, but the result can certainly be the same. It all comes down to caring in the end.

Then during the flu season from here on out you believe we need to wear masks? Especially because there are people that that are highly susceptible to the flu. The kind thing would be to wear a mask at all times.

 

[ElmerMudd]

since you are too stupid to understand, let me try to explain. I was trying to get you to compare the numbers of covid deaths in the USA to the number of car deaths and abortions. Its not a stupid comparison, it puts things in perspective and shows just how out or proportion the reaction to the chinese virus has been.

Also to note that life is about taking chances. People ride motorcycles with no helmet, smoke cigarettes or pot. Get involved in recreational narcotics. What would life be if we confined ourselves to things which have no risk to them?

Risk is great when the risk only effects the one taking the risk.
If one person's risk adversely effects another, there needs to be restrictions.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has insurance. Insurance pays the bill. Everything is cool.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has no insurance or money to pay the bill. The hospital goes in for unreimbursed medical expenses. The government (us) picks up part of the tab. Hospitals have to increase procedure costs to make up lost revenue. We pay higher insurance costs and higher procedure costs if out of pocket.
If the uninsured rider comes to the hospital and the hospital says no medical help unless you can pay, no one else is effected negatively. Conservative philosophy that you take care of yourself not the government or anyone else.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Totally false Ray.... Mask mandates doesn’t stop you from going to work,shopping, schools, bars etc etc etc.... but gives you more confidence that others will wear mask to stop the spread of virus. In your situation you would think you will be a supporter of a mask mandate. You are only promoting this because of your support to Trump.

What can go wrong if mask mandate are issued?

The experts repeat the EXPERTS specify if we have a mask mandate we could have save 100,000+ deaths and fewer infections. That’s the experts in science. Not an opinion or conspiracies.

Here in Ca mask was mandated with penalties in some areas but still the highest deaths and infections here in US. The Hispanics are the highest casualties. Why? most are overcrowded in apartments or houses with kids with one bathroom. That doesn’t mean mask mandate is not working but it force those hard headed young adults and hardheaded whiteys to wear mask in public and gatherings. But still lots of churches, large gatherings and parties violated the mandates. It does NOT mean mask mandate it’s not working. Lots of Californians learned a hard lesson deaths and infections are way down in last 2 months. Thanks god.

Look at El Paso Texas. A REPUBLICAN CITY run by republican mayor and governor. Are in curfew, Closing some business venues, building rooms outside the hospital because they are overwhelmed with record high in hospitalizations.

Same in Miami Dade County, Florida a republican city mayor is in curfew and surge of deaths and infections.

CAN YOU SAY THAT ........ these republican cities are purposely inflating their numbers to get more money?

My only point is that there is little to no difference in places that have had lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing as there are that didn't have them. Now if you really want to stop the problem, no flights in and out of the country ever again. Nobody goes to work. Everything shuts down for a month or so. That means you won't be able to get food, toiletries, emergency help including doctors and hospitals. Is this what you want to see in our country?

I myself do wear a mask when in public, but I also believe in freedom. If I see somebody in the store without a mask, that's their decision even though we've had a mask mandate for about two months now. It doesn't seem to be doing much good, and even the national news is reporting on our state.

This is an invisible virus. It's not like it's the size of a basketball where we can see it and dodge it when it's heading our way. And rest assured the longer we have these mandates, the less tolerant people will get. At some point they take off the mask and say to hell with it. They'd rather risk death than to live like this the rest of their lives. And if Biden gets in and opens the border, it's only going to get much worse.

It depends on what you call a lockdown and what the goal is. The purpose of shutting down businesses and schools and lockdowns in the US was to reduce hospitalization and that did work. Hospital occupancy dropped by nearly 50% We started shutting things down between March 17 and April 15 and started opening up between first week of May and the first week of June. US daily deaths peaked on April 15 at 2,692 and fell to a low of 270 on July 5th. However this was not a national lockdown and in most cities there was no enforcement and in some cities, the lockdown was just curfews and reduce business hours. Even so, the hospital occupacy curve fallen and fell.

As far as your personal protection, it comes mostly from what others do. Wearing masks, social distancing, and quarantining, protects others but offers only limited protection for you. In cultures where protecting others and following rules and mandates is a very high priority such as in Japan and South Korea, Coronavirus has been only a minor problem with deaths only by about 5% of US deaths. Today, there unemployment is low and business is good. A low level of social consciousness and a high level of personal freedom can be disastrous in an epidemic.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I've said it many times with no answer, from those who could care less about covid or other people. What's the difference in me driving drunk, getting you killed, I survive, pay a fine, then get charged for manslaughter, versus another person not wearing a mask in a public place, jeopardizing my safety? The act of jeopardizing my safety is the same, is it not? It may not be a law, but the result can certainly be the same. It all comes down to caring in the end.

Then during the flu season from here on out you believe we need to wear masks? Especially because there are people that that are highly susceptible to the flu. The kind thing would be to wear a mask at all times.

Another human so stupid they cannot tell the difference between COVID-19 and the regular flu. Has no idea why a novel virus is so much more dangerous than a virus we have dealt with for years, It has to be a Trump supporter. Dumb as a stump.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Risk is great when the risk only effects the one taking the risk.
If one person's risk adversely effects another, there needs to be restrictions.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has insurance. Insurance pays the bill. Everything is cool.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has no insurance or money to pay the bill. The hospital goes in for unreimbursed medical expenses. The government (us) picks up part of the tab. Hospitals have to increase procedure costs to make up lost revenue. We pay higher insurance costs and higher procedure costs if out of pocket.
If the uninsured rider comes to the hospital and the hospital says no medical help unless you can pay, no one else is effected negatively. Conservative philosophy that you take care of yourself not the government or anyone else.

So in other words like the virus, there are negative impacts on all of us who pay for insurance.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It depends on what you call a lockdown and what the goal is. The purpose of shutting down businesses and schools and lockdowns in the US was to reduce hospitalization and that did work. Hospital occupancy dropped by nearly 50%. In fact it went down so much there were layoffs.

We started shutting things down between March 17 and April 15 and started opening up between the first week of May and the first week of June. US daily deaths peaked on April 15 at 2,692 and fell to a low of 270 on July 5th. However this was not a national lockdown and in most cities there was no real enforcement and in some cities, the lockdown was just curfews and reduce business hours. Even so, the hospital occupancy curve flattened and fell.

As far as your personal protection, it comes mostly from what others do. Wearing masks, social distancing, and quarantining, protects others but offers only limited protection for you. In cultures where protecting others and following rules and mandates is a very high priority such as in Japan and South Korea, Coronavirus has been only a minor problem with deaths only by about 5% of US deaths. Today, there unemployment is low and business is good. A low level of social consciousness and a high level of personal freedom can be disastrous in an epidemic.

Like I said, in my state we had mask mandates for the past few months. We are experiencing what everybody else is, maybe worse. You can make all the mandates you want, but that doesn't mean people are going to follow them. It doesn't mean they will even help. Some say to hell with it, they'll take their chances.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This level of stupidity is absolutely stunning. These folks have zero understanding of the difference between taking chances versus taking precautions. It's as if precautions do not exist, so the only option is taking chances. SMH! How can the human mind manage to devolve into such a vegetative state like that?

Yet when you snowflakes whine and cry about us carrying guns, and we tell you it's taking precautions, you tell us we're being paranoid and there is little chance of getting in a situation where we would actually need a firearm for protection. If you're scared of going out because there are some people who won't wear masks, stay home. Go shopping once a month and buy everything you'll need for the next 30 or so days. Don't go anywhere you don't have to go. But to insist others accommodate your fears is just hypocritical.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Risk is great when the risk only effects the one taking the risk.
If one person's risk adversely effects another, there needs to be restrictions.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has insurance. Insurance pays the bill. Everything is cool.
Let's take a motorcycle rider going 100 mph, crashes. He is in the hospital for 3 weeks $200,000 bill has no insurance or money to pay the bill. The hospital goes in for unreimbursed medical expenses. The government (us) picks up part of the tab. Hospitals have to increase procedure costs to make up lost revenue. We pay higher insurance costs and higher procedure costs if out of pocket.
If the uninsured rider comes to the hospital and the hospital says no medical help unless you can pay, no one else is effected negatively. Conservative philosophy that you take care of yourself not the government or anyone else.

So in other words like the virus, there are negative impacts on all of us who pay for insurance.

There is an impact on all because of those who do not have insurance. Trump has taken the mandate off along with many other insurance changes resulting in a drop of 7 million less American adults with health insurance. Any of those whoget COVID or anything else, we pay. Thank you Donald Trump for putting more people on the government dole for healthcare.
You are so simple minded you did not get this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.

No, it really can't be done since a federal judge ruled that lockdowns are unconstitutional.