We need to change the Statue of Liberty.....

[DriftingSand]

What, you mean like "We are Mexicans and Americans stole our land" ...and "White Americans are racist" being spewed forth in some schools in America today.

Maybe a course on history (rather than YouTube) would set you straight.

What, like this modern history you mean?

HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!

THE U.S. VS MEXICO

On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro Mexican even though most lived in this country.
They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down.
As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon.
Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."

I personally know several American-born Hispanics who aggressively support Mexico's soccer team. I love it every time the USA kicks their ass!!!

 

[Vigilante]

 

[ShackledNation]

Here is the inscription that is at the base of the Statue of Liberty....................



The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Now................these refugee kids that are currently flooding the border certainly sound like what the statue (and our country) are supposed to stand for. These kids are poor, huddled and fleeing violence and murder in their own country. President Bush Jr. signed a LAW into effect in 2008 that covered situations like this, and it was for kids from any country that did not border the United States.

Sorry...................but if we can't allow these kids to stay, we're going to have to do one of 2 things, either (a) take down the plaque on the front of the Statue of Liberty, or (b) admit that we've gone so far away from our core values that we've become a nation of hypocrites.

or (c) recognize that that plaque represents what America is about, and stop treating people like dirt for wanting to live the American Dream.

Really? Who is treated like dirt for wanting the American Dream? Most of the time it's immigrants.

Yes, that's my point. We are a country founded by immigrants that ironically hates other immigrants. The plaque is what America is really about--or should be about.

Incidentally, did you know that the median income for most Americans is around 50,000/year?

Yes, one of the highest in the world.

Additionally, did you know that the price of the American Dream (a house, 1 car, 1 vacation a year and enough to eat as well as enough to clothe your family) is around 130,000/year?

1. I don't define that as the American Dream, nor is there a single definition of the American dream. People have different ideas of what that dream is.
2. $130,000 a year? Really? No. I could easily buy a house, a car, and go on a vacation for far less than that. The average used car price from a franchise is $15,000. (Buying a used car from someone else would be even cheaper). With an interest rate of 3% over 5 years, that works out to $270 a month, or $3,270 per year.

The median home price as of this June is roughly $220,000.
With a traditional 30-year mortgage and a 4.5% interest rate, that works out to about $840 per month, or about $10,080 per year. So average car + average house = $13, 350 per year. $500 a month on food works out to about $6000 per year. Clothes are harder to calculate because the cost varies by number of family members, age, etc. But the average American spends $1700, so lets bump that up to $4000 (I don't know a year when my family of 6 ever spent that much on clothes, but lets just give a high number for you). Throw in a $1500 vacation and you have $24, 850 per year.

Where did you pull that nonsense $130,000 per year figure from?

It currently takes 3 times the amount of what the average person earns to achieve the American dream.

To achieve your version of it: It absolutely does not. That is complete hogwash and you pulled that number out of thin air.

But..................we can talk about wage inequality if you wish..............we've got lot's of good examples to prove our point..........................

I'd rather discuss with someone that doesn't throw out made up numbers and lie to prove a point.

 

[Unkotare]

We are a country founded by immigrants that ironically hates other immigrants. ..

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

 

[ShackledNation]

We are a country founded by immigrants that ironically hates other immigrants. ..

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

The only reason illegal immigrants exist is because Americans decided they did not want certain immigrants to come--aka---a country of immigrants wants to stop other immigrants from coming. Quite ironic.

 

[Unkotare]

We are a country founded by immigrants that ironically hates other immigrants. ..

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

You deny we are a country founded by immigrants? Really?

Are you really this stupid? Really? Did you really think I was referring to that part of your claim? Really? Did you not read the entire post, shitforbrains?

 

[ShackledNation]

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

You deny we are a country founded by immigrants? Really?

Are you really this stupid? Really? Did you really think I was referring to that part of your claim? Really? Did you not read the entire post, shitforbrains?

No, I don't. I edited my post, but you were already in the process of quoting it so you just missed the change. Not your fault, we are just both typing at the same time.

 

[Unkotare]

We are a country founded by immigrants that ironically hates other immigrants. ..

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

The only reason illegal immigrants exist is because Americans decided they did not want certain immigrants to come--aka---a country of immigrants wants to stop other immigrants from coming. Quite ironic.

Nothing ironic about it. Every country has the right and the responsibility to defend its borders and manage immigration in a controlled manner. Neither suggests "hatred" of immigrants. Your emoting is illogical and disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

 

[ShackledNation]

We most certainly are not. Are you another of those who cannot or will not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?

The only reason illegal immigrants exist is because Americans decided they did not want certain immigrants to come--aka---a country of immigrants wants to stop other immigrants from coming. Quite ironic.

Nothing ironic about it. Every country has the right and the responsibility to defend its borders and manage immigration in a controlled manner. Neither suggests "hatred" of immigrants. Your emoting is illogical and disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. The act was inspired by intense xenophobia and dislike of the Chinese.

The history of the US has been one of initial hatred and discrimination towards new immigrant groups. Eventually people got over it, but now much of that xenophobia and hatred is directed at Latin American immigrants. Denying that is what is truly dishonest.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

Here is the inscription that is at the base of the Statue of Liberty....................

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The New Colossus" is a sonnet by American poet Emma Lazarus (1849–87), written in 1883.[2] In 1903, the poem was engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the lower level of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.

Now................these refugee kids that are currently flooding the border certainly sound like what the statue (and our country) are supposed to stand for. These kids are poor, huddled and fleeing violence and murder in their own country. President Bush Jr. signed a LAW into effect in 2008 that covered situations like this, and it was for kids from any country that did not border the United States.

Sorry...................but if we can't allow these kids to stay, we're going to have to do one of 2 things, either (a) take down the plaque on the front of the Statue of Liberty, or (b) admit that we've gone so far away from our core values that we've become a nation of hypocrites.

Let's take a look at the requirements to enter the United States through Ellis Island from 1892-1954.

Overview

Ellis Island is in New York Harbor. It's where, between 1892 and 1954, about 12 million immigrants entered the United States. While originally only 3.3 acres in size, it was increased to an area of 27.5 acres. Some historians think that the land used to extend the island came from a combination of ship ballast and dirt obtained by digging the subway tunnels. As the first federal immigration station, the immigrants who entered the country at Ellis Island had to meet a set of requirements or else they faced deportation.


Identification

Even before the 1920s, when the United States determined which immigrants could legally enter and live in this country by implementing a quota system, there was a preferential treatment given to more affluent immigrants. While passengers whose ticket was for "steerage" or third-class travel had to face a series of entrance requirements that lasted between two and five hours, no such admission tests were given to first- or second-class passengers. Unless these passengers showed evidence of a contagious disease, they were given quick entry to New York City.


Significance

Two agencies conducted the inspections and set the requirements for immigrants at Ellis Island. The United States Public Health Service conducted a medical inspection. Then, the Bureau of Immigration made a legal inspection. Together, the two inspections could take up to five hours. Then the immigrant would either be admitted to New York City, interned as an "alien radical" or deported.


Function

Immigrants had to pass the medical inspection before being admitted to the country. It started with a trip up three flights of stairs. This would reveal whether the immigrant suffered from any physical disability, lameness, shortness of breath or obvious heart condition. It was followed by what became known as the "six-second physical." Not only did the doctor-inspections want to prevent people who had infectious diseases from entering the country, they also looked for evidence of chronic illness, mental illness and trachoma.


Considerations

Immigrants at Ellis Island also had to pass a legal inspection, which was done by means of a series of 29 questions. Because many of the immigrants did not speak English, the questions were translated into 39 languages. The immigrants were required to answer questions about their name, gender, marital status, occupation, literacy, race and health. They were asked if they had ever been to prison, were polygamists or had ever participated in anarchist activity.


Effects

Immigrants who entered the United States at Ellis Island were not permitted to remain in the country if they had a contagious disease such as smallpox, yellow fever or the measles. If they were deemed likely to end up needing to receive welfare or otherwise seemed unable to provide for themselves, they would be refused admission. Finally, if they were assessed as likely to become an illegal contract laborer, they would be refused entry. People who seemed to be "alien radicals" were interned.

More: Requirements for Immigrants at Ellis Island

 

[Unkotare]

The only reason illegal immigrants exist is because Americans decided they did not want certain immigrants to come--aka---a country of immigrants wants to stop other immigrants from coming. Quite ironic.

Nothing ironic about it. Every country has the right and the responsibility to defend its borders and manage immigration in a controlled manner. Neither suggests "hatred" of immigrants. Your emoting is illogical and disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

That is not true, you ignorant dope. That was not the first US immigration law by a long shot.

 

[ShackledNation]

Nothing ironic about it. Every country has the right and the responsibility to defend its borders and manage immigration in a controlled manner. Neither suggests "hatred" of immigrants. Your emoting is illogical and disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

That is not true, you ignorant dope.

Ad hominem.

That was not the first US immigration law by a long shot.

Strawman. What I said (The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882) is not what you claimed I said (The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 is the first US immigration law).

If you cannot understand the difference between my actual argument and your strawman, then you are not worth talking to in the slightest.

 

[Unkotare]

(The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882)

That is not true, you ignorant dope. Prostitutes and convicts were denied entry under an 1875 immigration law, the first to establish direct federal regulation of immigration.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yawn!

I served 20 years, I served 20 years, I served 20 years.

STFU..............I did 10 in the Navy. So ******* what...............

The Oath requires you to defend the Constitution and the laws of this nation. Not to disregard any Law you don't FEEL is correct.

There is legal immigration and ILLEGAL Immigration. Just like the rest of the world. DEAL WITH IT.

Okay...............so you quit halfway to getting your retirement. Nothing wrong with that.

I mean..................Gov. Palin quit halfway through as well.

You're right, as a member of the U.S. Navy, I AM required to defend the Constitution and the orders of those appointed over me.

However...............with the way that some politicians (who never served a day in their lives) have twisted the laws of this Nation, I'm guessing (and seeing) that they really don't follow the Constitution, they just cherry pick what they want.

And no...................those kids coming across the border aren't "illegal immigrants", they are actually refugees fleeing violence in their home country.

And..................the law allowing them into this country wasn't signed by Obama, it was signed by Jr. in 2008, and he allowed refugees and children from countries that DON'T border the U.S.

Mexico and Canada do. Nicaragua, Honduras and all the other countries don't.

We should allow them into this country as refugees. Many other countries (who aren't as rich as the U.S.) have allowed many more refugees into their borders.

Why can't we?

I mean yeah................some of them may prove to be psychopaths that like to kill people.

However..................with the drive and the attitude that most of them seem to have, those kids might be the ones who are able to solve complex mathematical problems (thus allowing better space travel), some may be able to figure out complex diseases (like solving AIDS or cancer), and some may be able to figure out how to keep the economy growing.

I mean..................after all......................it was a black man in the White House who figured out how to bring jobs back to this country.

 

[Rotagilla]

Intelligent people know you can't have open borders in a welfare state or eventually the state is overwhelmed and becomes a 3rd world hellhole.
NOT enforcing borders is anti american...It harms the country...not that it matters anymore. This nation is finished anyway. Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction will be the next three phases.

Mexico has the right idea for immigration rules, though;
Before our government was infiltrated and subverted by negroes and other anti whites we used to have laws, too.



--Immigrants must have necessary funds for their sustenance and dependents
(Article 34)

--Foreigners may be barred from the country if they are not physically or
mentally healthy(Article 37)

--The General Law on Population says under Mexican Law, Illegal immigration is
a felony (Art.123)

--Foreigners deported from Mexico & attempt to re-enter without
authorization can be
imprisoned up to 10 years (Article 118)

--Non-citizens cannot in any way participate in the political affairs of the
country.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Intelligent people know you can't have open borders in a welfare state or eventually the state is overwhelmed and becomes a 3rd world hellhole.
NOT enforcing borders is anti american...It harms the country...not that it matters anymore. This nation is finished anyway. Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction will be the next three phases.

Mexico has the right idea for immigration rules, though;
Before our government was infiltrated and subverted by negroes and other anti whites we used to have laws, too.



--Immigrants must have necessary funds for their sustenance and dependents
(Article 34)

--Foreigners may be barred from the country if they are not physically or
mentally healthy(Article 37)

--The General Law on Population says under Mexican Law, Illegal immigration is
a felony (Art.123)

--Foreigners deported from Mexico & attempt to re-enter without
authorization can be
imprisoned up to 10 years (Article 118)

--Non-citizens cannot in any way participate in the political affairs of the
country.

Nice....................you quote the laws of Mexico, yet you have yet to quote the laws of America.

Are you for this country, or are you against it?

I'm guessing that you're not for this country, because you keep spewing bullshit against it.

Did you serve? I did...........................and I'm guessing you didn't, because of the bullshit you brought against it.

 

[tjvh]

Yeah, although it says that it doesn't change the fact that there were immigration Laws in effect at the time of the Statue's construction just like there was (is) in every other developed nation on the planet. Next nonsensical thread....

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah, although it says that it doesn't change the fact that there were immigration Laws in effect at the time of the Statue's construction just like there was (is) in every other developed nation on the planet. Next nonsensical thread....

Tell ya what.......................tell me where the poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty is wrong.

Tell me where it says that your people are right, and tell me where the immigrants are wrong.

Go ahead...................I'll wait........................

 

[Spoonman]

Yeah, although it says that it doesn't change the fact that there were immigration Laws in effect at the time of the Statue's construction just like there was (is) in every other developed nation on the planet. Next nonsensical thread....

Tell ya what.......................tell me where the poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty is wrong.

Tell me where it says that your people are right, and tell me where the immigrants are wrong.

Go ahead...................I'll wait........................

the legal immigrants or the illegal ones?

 

[ShackledNation]

(The U.S. created the first category of illegal immigrant with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882)

That is not true, you ignorant dope. Prostitutes and convicts were denied entry under an 1875 immigration law, the first to establish direct federal regulation of immigration.

The Chinese Exclusion Act was far more significant, the 1875 law was merely a precursor. But your point is totally irrelevant.

The only reason illegal immigrants exist is because Americans decided they did not want certain immigrants to come. Whether that began in 1875 or 1882 doesn't change that.