We need satellite defense, not a "Golden Dome".

[Mushroom]

Incorrect. Space Force is currently working on maneuverable and weaponized satellites among some other space based capabilities. The beauty of space based intercept is the predictability of the ICBM trajectory and the simplicity of the intercepting projectiles.

Verifiable source?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most people really have no real idea of how missiles work at all. That is why they are so easily fooled into believe complete bullcrap about them.

A missile carrying missile, interesting concept. Sounds about as useful as an anti-ballistic missile ballistic missile. Or an anti-tank missile missile that could go onto a tank to protect it from anti-tank missiles. Or maybe an anti-missile missile that works with ballistic missiles to shoot down the air defense missiles that are targeting the ballistic missiles. Or maybe about as stupid as launching an ICBM from the back of a cargo plane.

No, wait. The US actually did do the last one at one time.

Most people who hear "Hypersonic" just give it insanely magical capabilities. Not even realizing that there is nothing special about them, the "Hypersonic Missiles" that China and Russia are crowing about are literally a rehash of a system the US developed all the way back in the Eisenhower Administration. Then cancelled by the Kennedy Administration once the Polaris SLBM was put into service.

Yes, the US had that capability first. And only used it for a few years because they realized even then it was a rather silly weapon. And it really is a silly weapon, and was really only useful for treaty purposes because just like sea launched ballistic missiles, air launched ballistic missiles did not fall under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

That is the only damned reason Russia started to research them in the first place. It was a way to get around treaty limitations put in place by the INF. "OK Comrade, we can't have short range missile to launch from ground. So what if we put short range ballistic missile on plane? Plane is not on ground when launch so we can do that, no? After all, treaty say nothing about launching ballistic missiles from planes."

It appears that you and I are the only board members who have extensive missile experience.

 

[luiza]

More Theatre with the Golden Dome .
I wager most Gullibles here think they know what that means and how it will work .

Just another load of nonsense to create a way of printing Imaginary Money to feed the Black Ops within the Industrial Military Complex .

Golden Balls for star struck Sheeple .
Total Balls , as we say .

See Reagan and now Musk -- Iran just shredded that Golden Starlink Dome .

 

[MarathonMike]

There is no space based missile defense system.

Not Yet. You probably don't know this, but it takes many years to develop an all new weapon system, and a space based system will take longer yet for obvious reasons.

 

[Mushroom]

It appears that you and I are the only board members who have extensive missile experience.

Most likely. Most people can not be bothered to do any kind of research, so just believe whatever source they want to believe. That is likely why so much of the information you see people repeating in here are largely made up. They got it from some "news source", that is simply repeating what they read in some press release.

And if one applies some simple common sense, it should be obvious most of them are complete nonsense. Like the claims of being more "maneuverable" at hypersonic speeds. How maneuverable was the SR-71? The Space Shuttle? A Formula One car at over 200 miles per hour?

There is a direct link between maneuverability and speed, and they are inverse of each other. The faster something goes, the less maneuverable it actually is (other than in altitude). Sure, it can really dive faster, and maybe climb faster (primarily because of the speed it is already at). But they can not change direction very much or fast all all or they will break apart. And they can only maintain those kinds of speeds in the upper atmosphere where atmospheric density is low.

The SR-71 can reach amazing speeds, at 80,000 feet. Where atmospheric pressure is not the 1,000 millibars of sea level but at around 28 millibars. And even at those altitudes with such low pressure the outer hull would reach over 700 degrees F. If it tried that at say 35,000 feet (the altitude of most commercial airliners) the atmospheric density of over 230 millibars would cause it to burn up like a meteor. At closer to sea level, it would immediately suffer structural failure and break up.

I have been riding motorcycles for over four decades, and this can really be seen on a bike. At 5-10 mph in a parking lot, I am highly maneuverable. I can make circles easily within the length of the bike, and can do figure-8 turns in an area about 2.5 times the length of the bike. But as I increase in speed, the ability to maneuver is drastically reduced. To the point where over around 40 mph the ability to do much more than small changes in direction are about the limit. In other words, changing from one lane to another instead of a 90 degree turn to another direction.

Most of this are simply common sense things if you understand things like pressure, wind resistance, and Newton's Three Laws.

 

[Mushroom]

Not Yet. You probably don't know this, but it takes many years to develop an all new weapon system, and a space based system will take longer yet for obvious reasons.

And I noticed the dodge. Verifiable source?

Sorry, "Trust me, bro" does not cut it.

 

[MarathonMike]

And I noticed the dodge. Verifiable source?

Sorry, "Trust me, bro" does not cut it.

A casual perusal of the internet would answer your questions. Don't be lazy. And honestly, why do you Trump would create Space FORCE?

 

[Mushroom]

A casual perusal of the internet would answer your questions. Don't be lazy. And honestly, why do you Trump would create Space FORCE?

Got it, you have absolutely no proof at all, and demand that others do all your work for you.

You know, there are a ton of sources on the Internet that claim aliens built the pyramids, the Earth is flat, and humans coexisted with dinosaurs. None of the hundreds of sources that make those claims make any of it real.

 

[MarathonMike]

It appears that you and I are the only board members who have extensive missile experience.

Wrong.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong.

You have extensive experience at getting simple facts wrong most of the time.

 

[MarathonMike]

You have extensive experience at getting simple facts wrong most of the time.

You were a high school teacher, right? Missile Systems experience. LOL

 

[MarathonMike]

I am amused at these "missile systems experts" who think Trump created Space Force for grins and giggles.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You were a high school teacher, right? Missile Systems experience. LOL

Weapons department on a guided missile cruiser. Missile control system operator and division officer for fire control radars and Harpoon missile systems. Nuclear weapons handling and security. Also qualified on ASROC launching system for RTDC. What you got, Buckwheat?

 

[Mushroom]

I am amused at these "missile systems experts" who think Trump created Space Force for grins and giggles.

I am amused at these "experts" that are completely unable to validate anything they claim. And instead of validating their claims they spin around in circles and attack others.

 

[MarathonMike]

To my two missile system expert friends, I suggest they do some research on Space Force, Space based threats, The PLA space based capabilities etc. I will retire from this thread as I am still bound by my non-disclosure agreements from the clearances I held during my career. Good night my friends!

 

[westwall]

I don't agree with Trump on everything and I disagree with the concept of covering the entire US with an "Iron Dome" like shield similar to Israel. The geographic differences make it impossible to be effective especially with the arrival of hyper-sonic missiles. We need a space based satellite defense system because China is already developing space based weapons that they would surely use to target our satellites. We had better have at least equal capability with China or they could completely cripple us without ever touching US soil.

The two work in tandem. Independently the two systems are ok. Combined they are more than twice as effective.

 

[Mushroom]

To my two missile system expert friends, I suggest they do some research on Space Force, Space based threats, The PLA space based capabilities etc. I will retire from this thread as I am still bound by my non-disclosure agreements from the clearances I held during my career. Good night my friends!

And yet, even after saying all of that you are still unable to validate anything you claim.

You know, I did actually look up what you are claiming. But as the saying goes, I found nothing. Because as the old saying goes, "You can't prove a negative".

And another negative that I just looked up based on what you just said. "PLA space based" missile defense. Now I was not surprised to find a lot of links talking about the PLA working all sorts of systems for missile defense. But want to know something I did not find? A single reliable reference anywhere about them working on any space based systems other than detection.

So to add to your providing a reference to US space based defensive systems, how about a verifiable reference to these Chinese space based systems.

Oh, but here is a rather interesting article about that concept. From the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Since the interceptors orbit at an altitude of a few hundred kilometers, they are also extremely vulnerable to anti-satellite weapons launched from the ground on short- or medium-range missiles. Adversaries could use these weapons to punch holes in the defense, rendering it useless.

Space-based Missile Defense

It may sound like a good idea. It really isn’t.

www.ucs.org

 

[toobfreak]

We need a space based satellite defense system

Golden Dome will be part space-based. It has to be. That is why Trump created the Space Force. Golden Dome will identify and kill a threat ideally long before it even crosses over into our air space.

 

[toobfreak]

It would ultimately be ineffective against a bunch of ICBMs flying at us with each carrying multiple hypersonic missiles.

No defense system is perfect. It acts as a deterrent by surviving initial attacks long enough to assure mutual destruction of our attacker.

 

[toobfreak]

Space-based Missile Defense

It may sound like a good idea. It really isn’t.

www.ucs.org

The info in this article is wrong, out of date, misleading and archaic. None of the stated limitations or vulnerabilities remain the same in 2026 what they might have appeared to be in 2018 when it was written.

Obviously, you are not well-versed in defense system technology nor design to post such rubbish. The other "missile expert" here is just a grunt trained on only what he needed to know to operate very old systems back in the day.

The technology has changed quite a bit in the last 8 years, maybe more than it had in the previous 50.