Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

[initforme]

Women have no "obligations" to men nor vice versa. Where does this garbage come from?

 

[80zephyr]

They are hallucinations based on what people believe in. Dreams.

Hallucinating dead relatives? Jesus? And this is reported consistently from people with near death experiences.

I doubt it. But, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least acknowledge the possibly of a God. To argue there

is no evidence is illogical.

 

[Hafar1014]

One duty just dont get fat

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Women have no "obligations" to men nor vice versa. Where does this garbage come from?

Religion.

Hallucinating dead relatives? Jesus? And this is reported consistently from people with near death experiences.

I doubt it. But, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least acknowledge the possibly of a God. To argue there

is no evidence is illogical.

Hindus, masons etc. report experiences with the god they believe in. It is based on where they live and their beliefs based on what their elders taught them.

NDEd are cultural meaning people imagine communing with a god they were taught was real and true.

For all we know centuries ago there were NDEs of Thor or Ra or Mithra.

NDEs are not evidence of Gid unless you agree that the Hindu god is the true Gid because there has been NDEs reported that he appeared.

 

[80zephyr]

Religion.

Hindus, masons etc. report experiences with the god they believe in. It is based on where they live and their beliefs based on what their elders taught them.

NDEd are cultural meaning people imagine communing with a god they were taught was real and true.

For all we know centuries ago there were NDEs of Thor or Ra or Mithra.

NDEs are not evidence of Gid unless you agree that the Hindu god is the true Gid because there has been NDEs reported that he appeared.

I believe that God appears to people they way they feel most comfortable with. I mean, how else could it possibly work?

 

[Moonglow]

We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?​

No gag reflex is a must.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I believe that God appears to people they way they feel most comfortable with. I mean, how else could it possibly work?

You’re a deist?

 

[Mashmont]

We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.

From a societal leftwing standpoint,
The answer is “nothing”. Women dont have any obligations to men. They are so put upon, overworked, abused, etc., they are exempt from all duties.
In fact men, aren’t necessary or even desirable. Government can be the provider, and lesbian relationships are preferred for companionship and help with child rearing.

 

[80zephyr]

You’re a deist?

I am not sure what I am. I follow evidence.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I am not sure what I am. I follow evidence.

Ok. Try not to confuse “God” with Christianity

 

[80zephyr]

Ok. Try not to confuse “God” with Christianity

Have you ever heard the theory about making your own reality? If you are a follower of Jesus, when you die, you will meet him. If you are a follower of Mohammad, when you die, you will meet him. If you are an atheist, when you die, there is....nothing.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Have you ever heard the theory about making your own reality? If you are a follower of Jesus, when you die, you will meet him. If you are a follower of Mohammad, when you die, you will meet him. If you are an atheist, when you die, there is....nothing.

What you are describing is beliefs. Over the millennia there have been thousands of similar beliefs invented. For hundreds of thousands of years the Islam and Christian gods were not yet invent. Where did all those non believers go? Where did the belief in Thor, Ra, Mithra go?

 

[80zephyr]

What you are describing is beliefs. Over the millennia there have been thousands of similar beliefs invented. For hundreds of thousands of years the Islam and Christian gods were not yet invent. Where did all those non believers go? Where did the belief in Thor, Ra, Mithra go?

Any evidence they ever existed? Jesus existed.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Any evidence they ever existed? Jesus existed.

Like your beliefs there is no evidence that any of the other thousands of gods invented by humans were real.

 

[ding]

Like your beliefs there is no evidence that any of the other thousands of gods invented by humans were real.

24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hallucinating dead relatives? Jesus? And this is reported consistently from people with near death experiences.

I doubt it. But, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least acknowledge the possibly of a God. To argue there

is no evidence is illogical.

NDEs have nothing to do with God they are natural part of our existence. God is another question

 

[Hafar1014]

Like your beliefs there is no evidence that any of the other thousands of gods invented by humans were real.

There is no evidence to support atheism either which means its a belief chosen to fill an emotional need.

 

[Hafar1014]

24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.

Thats not proof thats called heresy

 

[ding]

Thats not proof thats called heresy

That’s called evidence.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hallucinating dead relatives? Jesus? And this is reported consistently from people with near death experiences.

I doubt it. But, even if you disagree, you should be able to at least acknowledge the possibly of a God. To argue there

is no evidence is illogical.

There is no evidence of God or that there is no God. Dreams are very different than hallucinations. NDEs are real and there is mounting evidence that we dont end when the body dies.
I believe in the afterlife I have had experiences that can only be explained by its existence. Buts just my experience.