Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

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There is no evidence of God or that there is no God. Dreams are very different than hallucinations. NDEs are real and there is mounting evidence that we dont end when the body dies.
I believe in the afterlife I have had experiences that can only be explained by its existence. Buts just my experience.

Creation itself is evidence of God. God can be known through the light of human reason by studying what God created.

 

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Ok. Try not to confuse “God” with Christianity

You do all the time. I’ve lost count of the number of times you argued God doesn’t exist using the OT.

 

[Hafar1014]

From a societal leftwing standpoint,
The answer is “nothing”. Women dont have any obligations to men. They are so put upon, overworked, abused, etc., they are exempt from all duties.
In fact men, aren’t necessary or even desirable. Government can be the provider, and lesbian relationships are preferred for companionship and help with child rearing.

Everyone is a victim when your minds is from the left. Of course there are obligations.
The father mother family us the best way to raise healthy normal. When government provides we get single mothers who are the main cause of poverty and crime.

Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing Viewpoints, P 62-66, 1997, A E Sadler, ed. -- See NCJ-167319) | Office of Justice Programs

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A father is needed to be the moral foundation of the family. Normal optimal development requires two parents a father and mother.
Gay families can adapt to the model by one assuming the role of the father.
As a therapist who has worked with over 800 families I can say this from my experience.

 

[Hafar1014]

That’s called evidence.

Thats not evidence anyone can write anything. Thats anecdotal. Proof demands the scientific method and there is no way to measure God. Conversely there is no way to prove there is no god so the atheists can just shut up because they also have belief.
A belief isnt wrong. The human mind is hard wired to ponder concepts we cant prove or understand. Beliefs are a good thing. Thats how we grow and learn.

 

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Gay families can adapt to the model by one assuming the role of the father.
As a therapist who has worked with over 800 families I can say this from my experience.

I have no doubt that is probably true but no matter how well the parents and child do, the child will face biases that children of traditional families don’t. With time that may improve but changing evolutionary programming is not easy.

 

[Hafar1014]

Creation itself is evidence of God. God can be known through the light of human reason by studying what God created.

You dont seem to know what evidence means. Your using circular logic. We could have been created by aliens you have no idea.

 

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You dont seem to know what evidence means. Your using circular logic. We could have been created by aliens you have no idea.

Sure I do. If I found something you made and didn’t know you made it I could use it as evidence to learn things about you.

Maybe look up the definition of evidence.

As to your alien argument, the only way you could discover that is by examining the exact same things. The same would be true for the argument that this is a computer simulation. The only evidence that we can study is what was created.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sure I do. If I found something you made and didn’t know you made it could I use it as evidence to learn things about you?

Maybe look up the definition of evidence.

As to your alien argument, the only way you could discover that is by examining the exact same things. The same would be true for the argument that this is a computer simulation.

How do you know I made it? You made an assumption a belief.
Evidence demands the scientific method. There are no instruments in science that can measure God. The beauty of a belief is you never have to prove it. You have right to it. No one can take it away or even prove you wrong.

Even logic and reason cant prove or disprove God.

How can you get something form nothing? There has to be prime mover a creator right?
Then who created the creator? Now you have a paradox.
You dont have to prove anything.

 

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Proof demands the scientific method and there is no way to measure God.

Setting aside that I can feel the spirit of God, you are correct, there is no way to measure God.

The question that science can help answer is was the creation of time and space - which was predestined to produce intelligence - intentional or not. And to answer that question one must study the creation.

 

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How do you know I made it? You made an assumption a belief.

I told you. I don’t need to know who created it to learn things about whoever created it.

That’s how evidence works. You examine the evidence and learn what the evidence has to show.

 

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Evidence demands the scientific method.

Any physical object can be used as evidence. Whether or not that evidence proves anything can only be ascertained after the evidence has been examined.

 

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There are no instruments in science that can measure God.

Didn’t say there was. But the evidence can be used to determine if the universe being created from nothing (so to speak) being hardwired to produce intelligence was intentional or not.

 

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The beauty of a belief is you never have to prove it. You have right to it. No one can take it away or even prove you wrong.

That’s not true. Anyone can test it for themselves by leading a life with and without a relationship with God.

 

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Even logic and reason cant prove or disprove God.

I beg to disagree.

 

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How can you get something form nothing? There has to be prime mover a creator right?
Then who created the creator? Now you have a paradox.
You dont have to prove anything.

If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. It is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

 

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There is no evidence to support atheism either which means its a belief chosen to fill an emotional need.

That’s like saying there’s no evidence to support a non belief in invisible elves.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You do all the time. I’ve lost count of the number of times you argued God doesn’t exist using the OT.

What?

 

[Hafar1014]

That’s like saying there’s no evidence to support a non belief in invisible elves.

A non belief is a belief you confuse yourself with semantics because you need to think in some way your belief is superior.

 

[80zephyr]

Like your beliefs there is no evidence that any of the other thousands of gods invented by humans were real.

Did Jesus exist?

 

[80zephyr]

All I can say is, it is statistically impossible for us to be here. While nature appears chaotic, it's often governed by underlying rules and patterns.

Who set up these patterns?