Was Ukraine a threat to Russia before start of Russian military operation?

[SavannahMann]

I continue to speak about Ukrainian laws which everyone can read on the official website of the Ukrainian parliament, e.g. here.
These Ukrainian laws are the best form of anti-Ukrainian propaganda.

The truth is that Russia was not Justified in their attack. The truth is that Russia expected and planned on a short war and a cheap victory. The truth is that Russia is floundering. The Truth is that their economy will not recover for decades.

The only place where Ethnic Russians were being targeted is where they were fighting the elected government of Ukraine. Any nation. Including Russia. Any nation would fight to reclaim what was theirs.

Russia is demonstrating only that they are weak and incompetent.

Russia’s airstrikes, intended to show force, reveal another weakness

If Russia was justified they would have made the case to the world before the war. They would have had plenty of evidence if only half their claims were sort of true.

This isn’t about Ethnic Russians. Putin and his cronies are getting those killed by the hundreds every day. This is about power. And the kitten the Russians thought they were facing us instead a lion.

 

[zaangalewa]

It’s a difficult question which nation and when had the majority in Crimea.

In English Wikipedia, in the article “Demographics of Crimea” you can read that for almost 100 last years (since 1926 census) ethnic Russians are the largest ethnic group in Crimea and for more than 60 years (since 1959 census) they are majority there.

Therefore, the Ukrainian attempt to turn them into third-grade people is utterly ridiculous.

About the problem to make the Krim to the territory of the Ukraine although the home harbor of the Black Sea fleet of Russia was there - which the Soviet Khrushchev had produced - many diplomats had been ready to mediate diplomatically. This had not been a difficult problem which money was not able to solve. But Russia created with the waste of the Ukraine now many problems which money is not easily able to solve any longer. And it is totally clear now: The Krim is territory of the Ukraine and all Russian soldiers will have to leave the Krim - and all other annexed territories of the Ukraine.

 

[zaangalewa]

That's what Hitler said when he annexed Sudetenland.

"Sudetenland" was Bohemia - one of the most important German countries since long centuries. Germans lived a long time in the area of Prague before the first Slaws arrived there and for centuries lived Czechs and Germans together in Bohemia and all people there had been able to speak in their own language with government and judges - as long as Germans had ruled. The allies of World War 1+2 took care that Bohemia is dead now - what had been a very heavy war crime. So what for heavens sake do you try to compare? Your own idiocies and war propaganda when you had been an ally of the Russian Czar and an ally of the Russian Soviets?




Remark: The "Holy Roman Empire" and the "Flickerlteppich" (patchwork-states) in the left-middle of this video is "Germany". You can see in this video very clear that Germany was continuously attacked in the last 1000 years and became smaller and smaller because of the aggressions from East and West. The kingdom "Bohemia" always had been a part of Germany (or Austria - what's the same) until World War 1+2 changed this forever by displacing all Germans from this area where some of their ancestors had lived since decades of thousands of years.

 

[xyz]

Your own idiocies and war propaganda when you had been an ally of the Russian Czar and an ally of the Russian Soviets?

What are you talking about?

I meant that the Nazis annexed Sudetenland like Putler annexed part of Ukraine.

 

[xyz]

Now with the failed invasion that fear is lessened. It is obvious when Russian spokesmen remind the world twice or three times a week that Nuclear War will result.

They also threaten individual countries approximately on a monthly basis: the Baltics, Poland, Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. Sometimes they change the reasons for the threats.

It's not always that easy to find news on this because it's mostly local to those countries.

 

[Oldestyle]

In the days immediately preceding the Russian advance into Ukraine, there was an increase in shelling coming from Zelensky's forces. It seems likely he was told to provoke a Russian response and when that came US sanctions would cripple the Russian economy withing weeks. Now it's beginning to look like NATO will fragment long before Russia does.

Dude, it's pretty obvious at this point that Dissident is a Russian troll but what the heck is your excuse? The above post borders on farce.

 

[georgephillip]

Dude, it's pretty obvious at this point that Dissident is a Russian troll but what the heck is your excuse? The above post borders on farce.

Which part of the post do you find farcical, the allegation that the US instructed Zelensky to provoke a Russian response or anti-NATO protests are breaking out in Europe?

Anti-NATO Mass protests erupt in France, Germany and parts of Europe | Zee English News

 

[Oldestyle]

Which part of the post do you find farcical, the allegation that the US instructed Zelensky to provoke a Russian response or anti-NATO protests are breaking out in Europe?

Anti-NATO Mass protests erupt in France, Germany and parts of Europe | Zee English News

That the US instructed Zelensky to provoke a Russian response! Not even Joe Biden is stupid enough to come up with that plan! How would it benefit us in any way?

 

[Oldestyle]

Which part of the post do you find farcical, the allegation that the US instructed Zelensky to provoke a Russian response or anti-NATO protests are breaking out in Europe?

Anti-NATO Mass protests erupt in France, Germany and parts of Europe | Zee English News

I watched your video, George. The protests are against high cost of living throughout Europe. The morons in Europe "tied their wagons" to Putin's oil and gas supply and now they're shocked because he's using that oil and natural gas as an economic weapon against them!

 

[georgephillip]

That the US instructed Zelensky to provoke a Russian response! Not even Joe Biden is stupid enough to come up with that plan! How would it benefit us in any way?

Obama warned us about underestimating Joe.

US investors looted Russia in the 1990s to the tune of billion$, and they never have enough. If Biden was stupid enough to believe Putin hadn't been planning to defeat western economic sanctions over the past eight years, he might have expected regime change in Moscow long before now.

 

[Oldestyle]

Obama warned us about underestimating Joe.

US investors looted Russia in the 1990s to the tune of billion$, and they never have enough. If Biden was stupid enough to believe Putin hadn't been planning to defeat western economic sanctions over the past eight years, he might have expected regime change in Moscow long before now.

With all due respect, George...the absolutely remarkable thing about Joe Biden is his ability to be wrong on virtually every foreign policy position he's ever taken! Some people have a knack for being right on policy...Joe has a knack for being wrong! It's just who he is. Obama knew that. It's part of the reason why he backed Hillary instead of Joe.

 

[georgephillip]

I watched your video, George. The protests are against high cost of living throughout Europe. The morons in Europe "tied their wagons" to Putin's oil and gas supply and now they're shocked because he's using that oil and natural gas as an economic weapon against them!

Actually, Putin's responding to the US instigating an illegal coup in Ukraine eight years ago which has now roiled energy markets solely because of US sanctions.

Look at a map.

Russia is part of Europe.

America is not.

Only Americans are sufficiently arrogant to believe Europe should buy their gas from thousands of miles away instead of their local neighborhood gas station (with atomic weapons).

 

[Oldestyle]

Actually, Putin's responding to the US instigating an illegal coup in Ukraine eight years ago which has now roiled energy markets solely because of US sanctions.

Look at a map.

Russia is part of Europe.

America is not.

Only Americans are sufficiently arrogant to believe Europe should buy their gas from thousands of miles away instead of their local neighborhood gas station (with atomic weapons).

Given what's happened with Russia...do you think Europe's decision to go with Russian oil and natural gas was a smart one? Let's be honest here...they're pretty much screwed this winter! I hate to go the "I told you so" route but Donald Trump warned them not to trust Putin and European leaders ignored that advice.

 

[Oldestyle]

And Russia has never really been part of Europe. They're Europe's neighbor more than a member of Europe.

 

[georgephillip]

With all due respect, George...the absolutely remarkable thing about Joe Biden is his ability to be wrong on virtually every foreign policy position he's ever taken! Some people have a knack for being right on policy...Joe has a knack for being wrong! It's just who he is. Obama knew that. It's part of the reason why he backed Hillary instead of Joe.

There's a recent video with Colonel Douglas Macgregor and Andrew Napolitano talking about Biden, Apparently, the latter has known Joe for decades and he says he doesn't recognize him today. Personally, Biden looks like the same arrogant/ignorant jock he's always been. Imho, neither Biden nor Trump is qualified to be POTUS, but the former has brought the world closer to a nuclear exchange than any time since 1962.

 

[georgephillip]

Given what's happened with Russia...do you think Europe's decision to go with Russian oil and natural gas was a smart one? Let's be honest here...they're pretty much screwed this winter! I hate to go the "I told you so" route but Donald Trump warned them not to trust Putin and European leaders ignored that advice.

What did Trump have to say about western sanctions on Russian oil and gas?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how many European governments are voted out of office before next spring due to the effects of those sanctions? Since the end of WWII it's been " keep the US in, keep Russia out, keep Germany down." Perhaps European voters want a new plan.

 

[georgephillip]

And Russia has never really been part of Europe. They're Europe's neighbor more than a member of Europe.

Ukraine is either the first or second most corrupt state in Europe depending on whether or not you count Russia.

 

[zaangalewa]

What are you talking about?

I meant that the Nazis annexed Sudetenland like Putler annexed part of Ukraine.

What's a totally wrong comparison which shows that you have not any clue about real history. The so called "Great German Empire" has been an idea which had absolutelly nothing to do with Hitler. It meant to take back the exclusion of Austria from Germany - and so also the exclusion of Bohemia and Moravia from Germany - which the Prussians had caused. Indeed had been "Germany" a wrong name for Germany from 1870-1945. The more correct name for Germany during this time of history had been "Prussia". The homeland of Prussia had been in their Baltic homeland which is today a Russian exclave called "Oblast Kaliningrad" - after all Germans had been displaced from this area (and also from big areas which are today Poland which never had been Poland in history before). Somehow is the complete history of the whole area of this region nothing else than a big war crime which everyone is used to accept because of the wrong excuse "Hitler". This outlaw-situation explains very well why the Russians do not have any moral conception for this what they are doing there. They like to accept only the poor concept "strength". But they are more strong than the Ukraine and they have nevertheless to give up the nonsense they are doing now.

 

[zaangalewa]

Ukraine is either the first or second most corrupt state in Europe depending on whether or not you count Russia.

And Belarus is now the absolute corrupt lost state where no one seems to have any longer any chanve to resist against Lukashenko in the current situation of world politics. And Selensky is the signal to end all this corruption and to try to become free members of a free world.

In memoriam:
Here speaks RIAS Berlin - a free voice of the free world.

 

[zaangalewa]

And Russia has never really been part of Europe. They're Europe's neighbor more than a member of Europe.

What a bullshit.

"Russia" about 1500 years ago had been a kind of big farm with a village not far from Kiev. The Russians currently attack their own roots.

Here by the way a piece of the "normal" life of totally "normal" people living "normal" lifes in Russia and Germany. It's about the book: "Das Wunder von St. Petersburg" (The wonder of Saint Petersburg) from Maria Blumencron.