Has the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine been provoked?

[luiza]

What happened to luiza ? She/he has been fired or you had to change a sock puppet to push some other talking points?

The only time I was ever fired was when I stood too close to a bonfire one November 5th. Banana is my dear sister who had to relay my posts while I was in Romania gathering anti US info to sell to Russian people of influence . At the time , Romania was being used by lots of NATO personnel as an entry point into Khazaria and one of the US Marine brigades was there until it later was transferred to Poland . This is just one way I provide top accurate info while you amateur Trolls just churn out regurgitated MSM garbage .

 

[AlexanderPK]

It's the Russians crying on the eastern front and Crimea.

What I see so far is the Ukes flying:

What do they need F-16s for if they do just fine without them?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

To make Ivan squeal evenmore.

 

[luiza]

To make Ivan squeal evenmore.

Horsey . You need to check out your corn feed .You are sounding more and more divorced from reality and I suspect they are nobbling you . Who is this fellow Horse , Ivan ? Or have you developed feelings for Winkle Titty and are starting to copy his mannerisms . Do not be shy if you now prefer to identify with Winkle Titty rather than a horse .

 

[JohnDB]

 

[AlexanderPK]

Yeah, it's much better in the US of A. Everything is free now.

 

[ESay]

The only time I was ever fired was when I stood too close to a bonfire one November 5th. Banana is my dear sister who had to relay my posts while I was in Romania gathering anti US info to sell to Russian people of influence . At the time , Romania was being used by lots of NATO personnel as an entry point into Khazaria and one of the US Marine brigades was there until it later was transferred to Poland . This is just one way I provide top accurate info while you amateur Trolls just churn out regurgitated MSM garbage .

I see, I bet you got a fortune for your priceless information.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You're barking up the wrong tree. It's not my fault Slow Horses couldn't find an answer.

Notice he didn't reply to Bothwings:

"No, if Mexico, Canada wanted to enter a military alliance with China, complete with military bases, America would respect the sovereign will of the mexican and canadian peoples."

He didn't say that because he knows it's not true... he knows America would be doing the exact same thing as Russia. He couldn't refute Bothwings due to the best reason in the world: simply because there's no refutation at all.

Bothwings hit Slow Horses with a bulletproof argument and he was knocked out. It's a common, daily occurrence in fistfights and verbal fights alike. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... There's no need to be ashamed.

As for trying to influence the ukrainian government both the US and Russia did it. The difference is that Russia had no problems with a neutral Ukraine unlike America that never stopped dangling the security carrot (NATO) in front of a country deeply divided between Russia and the West (the "Ukrainian people" you referred to (meaning an overwhelming majority of ukrainians) is a figment of your imagination).

You post nothing but nonsense. The eastern European nations wanted to join NATO because of their recent experience under a brutal Russian occupation, and the Canadians and Mexicans have had no such experience with the US, so they would have no reason to want to join with China. Would the US respect the sovereign rights of the Canadian and Mexican people if they did invite the Chinese military in? They wouldn't invite the Chinese in because the US respects the sovereign rights of the Canadian people; whereas Russia has never, except for a minute in 1991, respected the sovereign rights of its neighbors; hell, Russia has never respected the sovereign rights of the Russian people.

Your basic argument is that Russia never did anything to the eastern European countries that would make them want to join NATO so the US or NATO must have employed some nefarious means to get them to join, but it is Russia's actions after WWII that convinced them they needed protection from Russia. Only an idiot would try to compare how the US deals with its neighbors and how Russia deals with its neighbors.

Again, you show you are an enthusiastic supporter of Russian imperialism when you talk about Russia being tolerant of a neutral Ukraine as if Russia should be able to determine what actions the Ukrainian people are allowed to take.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I did respond to Jose, and I exposed his lack of logic.

 

[BothWings]

Ask yourselves what it would be like if a foreign power halfway around the world infiltrated the government of Canada or Mexico right in our own neck of the woods, and began to turn those countries against us and supplies them with weapons to back it up. What could/would/should we do to respond l? I imagine the same as the Russians are doing in Ukraine. And I'd support us doing that. It's not a one-way street. Russia was not an aggressor until the U.S. played sneaky in Ukraine.

We are Canada's and Mexico's biggest trading partners. They would kill anyone who tried to interfere with that.

Your fallacy of false equivalency just flops to the ground, quivers, and gives up the ghost.

SLOW HORSES' FACE AFTER BOTHWINGS'
DEVASTATING KNOCKOUT PUNCH:​

Sticks and stones may break my bones but memes will never hurt me, LoL!

Who do you think was Russia's biggest trading partner and why do you think our government tried to pry it away from them, idiot? Russia has put agents in our OWN government you stupid, uninformed, naive, blithering ****. All it takes is stealth, ingenuity and guile.....ala Cold War. The whole point is OUR country plays dirty too but doesn't accept the consequences.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Cold War Nostalgia


Actually, the Chickenhawk-in-Chief's Daddy started the drive to strangle and dismember Russia as soon as Communism collapsed there.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So many Russobots in one thread. Wow.

We Need to Outnumber You Globobots

 

[José]

I see, I bet you got a fortune for your priceless information.

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Let me tell you what I think about Luiza:

Luiza is OK in my book. We both share a deep resentment for the way post-soviet Russia was treated by the West as the loser of the Cold War. Russia was indeed the loser of the Cold War but you don't need to treat losers as losers. You always have the option to treat them with respect, in a dignified manner.

The only "problem" is that she's not the most ladylike poster I've ever seen. On the contrary, she is a little too outspoken, blunt, abrasive.

Small example: I cannot imagine myself referring to ukrainian soldiers the way she does:

"Russia is about to slaughter the third ukrainian army."

"Uke-nazis are dying by the thousands."

I feel sorry for every ukrainian soldier that dies on the battlefield. Their lives were precious and were lost in a war that could be easily avoided by a single stroke of a pen assuring Russia that the country would never be admitted into NATO.

I know this is a personality issue and Luiza has no more control over hers than we do over ours. But a little bit of femininity wouldn't hurt Luiza. God knows this planet has enough barrels of testosterone on trousers.

The last thing this world needs is a barrel of testosterone on skirt.

 

[José]

Would the US respect the sovereign rights of the Canadian and Mexican people if they did invite the Chinese military in? They wouldn't invite the Chinese in because the US respects the sovereign rights of the Canadian people; whereas Russia has never, except for a minute in 1991, respected the sovereign rights of its neighbors; hell, Russia has never respected the sovereign rights of the Russian people.

TOOMUCHTIME​

Notice how Slow Horses and toomuchtime just can't bring themselves to say this simple statement:

"If Canada, Mexico, central american and caribbean countries wanted to join a military alliance with China, complete with military bases, with or without a legitimate reason (as perceived by the US), America would respect their right to self-determination."

The more they try and deny that America would behave just like Russia, the more they prove my point that she would.

 

[ESay]

I see, I bet you got a fortune for your priceless information.

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Let me tell you what I think about Luiza:

Luiza is OK in my book. We both share a deep resentment for the way post-soviet Russia was treated by the West as the loser of the Cold War. Russia was indeed the loser of the Cold War but you don't need to treat losers as losers. You always have the option to treat them with respect, in a dignified manner.

The only "problem" is that she's not the most ladylike poster I've ever seen. On the contrary, she is a little too outspoken, blunt, abrasive.

Small example: I cannot imagine myself referring to ukrainian soldiers the way she does:

"Russia is about to slaughter the third ukrainian army."

"Uke-nazis are dying by the thousands."

I feel sorry for every ukrainian soldier that dies on the battlefield. Their lives were precious and were lost in a war that could be easily avoided by a single stroke of a pen assuring Russia that the country would never be admitted into NATO.

I know this is a personality issue and Luiza has no more control over hers than we do over ours. But a little bit of femininity wouldn't hurt Luiza. God knows this planet has enough barrels of testosterone on trousers.

The last thing this world needs is a barrel of testosterone on skirt.

I think you already know my stance toward Russia and about NATO (an the EU) enlargement. So, don't see a need to repeat that.

About luiza . I think there are three possible options about this poster: 1. She puts in her posts a great deal of irony; 2. She is a paid troll;. 3. She has certain mental issues.

At first, #2 was my favourite. But now I am more inclined to #3. Otherwise, I can't get how her posts like the previous one can be perceived.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Esay
At first, #2 was my favourite. But now I am more inclined to #3. Otherwise, I can't get how her posts like the previous one can be perceived.

I hear ya, my friend.

The romanian banana = sister story was a lil bit over the top and hard to swallow.

 

[ESay]

I hear ya, my friend.

The romanian banana = sister story was a lil bit over the top and hard to swallow.

Yeah, that is that also. I was sure that luiza and banana are two profiles of one poster. I even started a thread upstairs where I mentioned that and tried to clear the things out.

But a mod there wrote that the posters under these names wrote from different locations. Don't know, though, it was a honest answer or full of waste.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Esay
But a mod there wrote that the posters under these names wrote from different locations. Don't know, though, it was a honest answer or full of waste.

If true, they must be twin sisters because the acid, caustic style was exactly the same. ; )

 

[frigidweirdo]

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The main “expert” in Ukrainian affairs is, of course the U.S. President Joe Biden who called the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine an “unprovoked attack” last year; please see the official website of the White House.

However, I am going to offer my opinion about this subject in the present article.

Spoiler

I believe that the first phase of the Ukrainian crisis, which has led to this Military Operation, was a protest movement - the so-called Euromaidan - which started in 2013.

In the past ten years the question about causes of these protests has been widely debated but no one of Euromaidan supporters could give one single believable cause for it; please see the thread What have Ukrainians been fighting for since 2013?

However, at some point during Euromaidan, protesters began to burn and kill although such their actions absolutely could not be called a self-defense; please see the thread Was there a threat for ethnic Russians in February 2013 in Ukraine (Crimean question)?

I believe that the facts, which are described in the above-mentioned thread, were sufficient grounds for the Russian Government’s concerns about future of ethnic Russians, who are the majority in the Crimea, and for acceptance of the Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014.

One may say that Russia did not have to have concerns about ethnic Russians in the Crimea who were Ukrainian citizens at that time.

However, in the nineties, all of a sudden, the U.S. became deeply concerned about Yugoslav Kosovo which is situated 4 828 miles away from the U.S. and which is not related to the U.S. at all, either ethnically, or historically, etc.
But nevertheless, Americans decided to separate Kosovo from Yugoslavia because of their concerns about ethnic Albanians there.

Distance between the Crimea and the Taman Peninsula is - along the Crimean Bridge - 11 miles.
The majority of Crimean population are ethnic Russians and the Crimea was earlier a part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.

So, the Russian government decided to accept the Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014; in my opinion, to a great extent due to the fact that protesters in Ukraine had begun to burn and kill during Euromaidan.

However, after acceptance of the Crimea into the Russian Federation, Ukrainian authorities began to threat with military measures for “re-integration of the Crimea” into Ukraine - please see the official website of the Ukrainian President.
And these threats were accompanied by large-scale deliveries of Western military equipment to Ukraine.

Therefore, if we consider the preceding events as a “chain” - please see the flow chart below - we can, in my opinion, conclude that the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine has been provoked by Ukrainians.

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Source

No, Putin wanted to invade, he's been interfering in the Ukraine since about day one of his presidency, he's poisoned presidential candidates and all sorts of things.

It's like say Saddam provoked the 2003 invasion.

When some big asshole wants to invade, they will find excuses to sell it to their own people. Putin did it, Bush did it... they all do it.

 

[Ringo]

The Ukrainian armed forces have been shelling Donetsk with cluster munitions since nightfall
The shelling is still going on. During the night, a store in the city center burned, houses and cars were damaged. There are wounded.
The AFU fired 86 shells of 155 mm caliber on Donetsk in the last hours, eight of them are of cluster type, Mayor Alexei Kulemzin specified.

It's good when you get away with everything, the world community has its tongue up its ass, apparently the city center is full of military targets. You can't miss a thing in the city, as long as it hits somewhere.