Has the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine been provoked?

[Ringo]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Russian simps are whining again.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Would the US respect the sovereign rights of the Canadian and Mexican people if they did invite the Chinese military in? They wouldn't invite the Chinese in because the US respects the sovereign rights of the Canadian people; whereas Russia has never, except for a minute in 1991, respected the sovereign rights of its neighbors; hell, Russia has never respected the sovereign rights of the Russian people.

TOOMUCHTIME​

Notice how Slow Horses and toomuchtime just can't bring themselves to say this simple statement:

"If Canada, Mexico, central american and caribbean countries wanted to join a military alliance with China, complete with military bases, with or without a legitimate reason (as perceived by the US), America would respect their right to self-determination."

The more they try and deny that America would behave just like Russia, the more they prove my point that she would.

And if pig could fly . . . .

There is a reason why all of Russia's neighbors feel the need to join a military alliance and America's neighbors don't. Russia has always regarded the states that surround it as naturally belonging to Russia and recently held them in brutal occupation while the US and later Europe gave up all their imperialist ambitions long ago.

If the US had regarded its neighbors as belonging to it, as Russia regards its neighbors, such a situation as you and the other idiot describe might have arisen and if the US had been a country to inspire its neighbors to join in a military alliance for protection from the US, then perhaps the US would continue to behave like Russia and attack those neighbors, but the US is not like Russia and has not caused its neighbors to fear being taken over by it, so the situation you describe is equivalent to asking what the world would be like if pigs could fly.

 

[Silver Cat]

They only people who tried to infiltrate the Ukrainian government were the Russians, and it is only because you are such a stanch supporter of Russian imperialism that you don't understand it is none of Russia's business what the Ukrainian people decide to do as long as they are not attacking Russia.

Do you want to say, that the Serbs attacked the USA back in 1999?

 

[Silver Cat]

And if pig could fly . . . .

There is a reason why all of Russia's neighbors feel the need to join a military alliance and America's neighbors don't. Russia has always regarded the states that surround it as naturally belonging to Russia and recently held them in brutal occupation while the US and later Europe gave up all their imperialist ambitions long ago.

If the US had regarded its neighbors as belonging to it, as Russia regards its neighbors, such a situation as you and the other idiot describe might have arisen and if the US had been a country to inspire its neighbors to join in a military alliance for protection from the US, then perhaps the US would continue to behave like Russia and attack those neighbors, but the US is not like Russia and has not caused its neighbors to fear being taken over by it, so the situation you describe is equivalent to asking what the world would be like if pigs could fly.

Really? What about Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Nikaragua and others?

 

[Silver Cat]

You post nothing but nonsense. The eastern European nations wanted to join NATO because of their recent experience under a brutal Russian occupation, and the Canadians and Mexicans have had no such experience with the US, so they would have no reason to want to join with China. Would the US respect the sovereign rights of the Canadian and Mexican people if they did invite the Chinese military in? They wouldn't invite the Chinese in because the US respects the sovereign rights of the Canadian people; whereas Russia has never, except for a minute in 1991, respected the sovereign rights of its neighbors; hell, Russia has never respected the sovereign rights of the Russian people.

Your basic argument is that Russia never did anything to the eastern European countries that would make them want to join NATO so the US or NATO must have employed some nefarious means to get them to join, but it is Russia's actions after WWII that convinced them they needed protection from Russia. Only an idiot would try to compare how the US deals with its neighbors and how Russia deals with its neighbors.

Again, you show you are an enthusiastic supporter of Russian imperialism when you talk about Russia being tolerant of a neutral Ukraine as if Russia should be able to determine what actions the Ukrainian people are allowed to take.

Actually, 2/3 of ex-Mexican territory is occupied by the USA.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

To the Bot Farm: Silver Cat has outlived any use you had for him.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

About luiza . I think there are three possible options about this poster: 1. She puts in her posts a great deal of irony; 2. She is a paid troll;. 3. She has certain mental issues.

At first, #2 was my favourite. But now I am more inclined to #3. Otherwise, I can't get how her posts like the previous one can be perceived.

Replace Her With That Droid Named Sophia and She'll Never Have a Bad-Hair Day

 

[Silver Cat]

To the Bot Farm: Silver Cat has outlived any use you had for him.

Actually, Olgino bot farm doesn't work anymore after the death of its owner.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Actually, 2/3 of ex-Mexican territory is occupied by the USA.

Rotating Bloodbaths

You mean ex-Comanche territory, which was ex-some other tribe before the Comanches exterminated it, and so on. It was even ex-Aztec at one time or another.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Russian simps are whining again.

The Hole Whirled Is Watching

The Glowball is about to deflate. Putin pounded a nail in the One-Worlders' big cellophane bubble.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ukraine just blew up the Russian Tarkhankut Missle Base in western Crimea. It was constructed after the illegal Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014. It had a stock pile of anti-aircraft, land targeting and naval missiles. It was a linchpin to the Russian defence and hold on Crimea and the defence of the Russian naval base in Sevastopol. It has been firing missles into targets in Ukraine since the invasion of Ukraine started. Ukraine isn't saying how they did it, but one thing is certain. Explosions of the base rocked the peninsula Wednesday. The base is LEVELED. Russia has an asshole that is COMPLETELY exposed now.
FORBES broke this story. Ukraine Just Blew Up Russiaâs Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea

 

[toomuchtime_]

Do you want to say, that the Serbs attacked the USA back in 1999?

Since you find it impossible to defend Russia's actions in Ukraine, you want to talk about Serbia.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Serbia has nothing to do with the Ukrainian conflict.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, 2/3 of ex-Mexican territory is occupied by the USA.

Not occupied, but part of the US. Mexico attacked the US and as a part of the peace treaty agreed to sell much of its claims to the US southwest.

 

[Silver Cat]

Since you find it impossible to defend Russia's actions in Ukraine, you want to talk about Serbia.

I say, that there are rules, and the rules are simple and equal for both sides. "Might is right".

 

[Silver Cat]

Not occupied, but part of the US. Mexico attacked the US and as a part of the peace treaty agreed to sell much of its claims to the US southwest.

Mexico attacked Texas, as well as Ukraine attacked DPR and LPR.
And, yes, if Ukraine wants peace, it can leave Novorussia and surrender.

 

[Silver Cat]

Serbia has nothing to do with the Ukrainian conflict.

Sure, it has everything with this conflict. In some way it is continue of this conflict. Putin was chosen by the Russian elites and elected by the Russian people because of unprovoked, unjustful and simply stupid Clinton's agression against sovereign Serbia.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Mexico attacked Texas, as well as Ukraine attacked DPR and LPR.
And, yes, if Ukraine wants peace, it can leave Novorussia and surrender.

The DPR and LPR were and are part of Ukraine because of the 1991 accords.

The USSR is in violation of international law if it does not recognize the accords, to which it agreed.

 

[Silver Cat]

The DPR and LPR were and are part of Ukraine because of the 1991 accords.

The USSR is in violation of international law if it does not recognize the accords, to which it agreed.

And Texas and California were parts of Mexico back in 1821. And Kosovo was a part of Serbia back in 1999. As well as Taiwan is a part of China now.
Nobody cares.
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