Zone1 Was it a good or bad thing that Adam and Eve fell after partaking of the forbidden fruit?

[onefour1]

Was it the will of God that Adam and Eve live forever in the Garden of Eden or not?

 

[GLASNOST]

Was it a good or bad thing that Adam and Eve fell after partaking of the forbidden fruit?​

I reckon it was a good thing because:

1). There are no more talking snakes in the trees.
2). We can now eat apples to our heart's content and Johnny Appleseed became a national hero.

 

[Calypso Jones]

bad in the fact that humans would have lived forever, in a garden. Thank God he had a plan B in case we screwed it up and the first man, our ancestor, did. BUT FIRST , it was Eve that was tempted, she ate, and then she gave it to adam. Women. He listened to his woman and lost everything. much like today.

 

[surada]

Was it the will of God that Adam and Eve live forever in the Garden of Eden or not?

In the first version humans were the gardeners who served the gods until they became too numerous and too noisy.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... Women. He listened to his woman and lost everything. much like today.

Yep.

 

[onefour1]

Did God know what would happen in the Garden before it occurred? If so, why did He allow Satan on the earth to tempt Eve? Why did God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if He didn't want Adam and Eve to partake of it?

 

[theHawk]

The lesson of Adam and Eve is that turning away from God will always lead to ruin.

It was the first case of feminism. The woman listened to a bunch of lies and decided for herself what was right and wrong. All while Adam cucked out and didn’t stop the snake or Eve. Weak men lead to ruin.

 

[JoeMoma]

bad in the fact that humans would have lived forever, in a garden. Thank God he had a plan B in case we screwed it up and the first man, our ancestor, did. BUT FIRST , it was Eve that was tempted, she ate, and then she gave it to adam. Women. He listened to his woman and lost everything. much like today.

Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin exactly how it came to play out in the Garden of Eden before He began the first day of creation?

 

[Godboy]

Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin exactly how it came to play out in the Garden of Eden before He began the first day of creation?

If he is the almighty god they always say he is, then yes. He made Adam and Eve, according to the story, so why did he make them susceptible to temptation? Furthermore, why did he tempt these people who are susceptible to temptation if he didnt want them to be tempted? Why did he punish them when they did exactly what they were created to do? Why did he make a snake to tempt them? Why entice them with fruit that you know they are going to be enticed with because, he made them as people who would be enticed?

That whole story is fucking stupid.

 

[expat500]

 

[The Duke]

Was it the will of God that Adam and Eve live forever in the Garden of Eden or not?

It's not for me to say.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Was it the will of God that Adam and Eve live forever in the Garden of Eden or not?

/---/ I've read that the forbidden fruit was either sex or oral sex. Others say it wasn't an apple, which was unknown in that part of the world when the Old Testament was written. Apple was a generic term used for any fruit with seeds on the inside, covered by the meat of the fruit, and a skin.
The Hebrew Bible doesn't actually specify what type of fruit Adam and Eve ate. "We don't know what it was. There's no indication it was an apple," Rabbi Ari Zivotofsky, a professor of brain science at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, told Live Science.

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[Cellblock2429]

I reckon it was a good thing because:

1). There are no more talking snakes in the trees.
2). We can now eat apples to our heart's content and Johnny Appleseed became a national hero.

/---/ On the downside, girls started wearing clothes.

 

[Meriweather]

If he is the almighty god they always say he is, then yes. He made Adam and Eve, according to the story, so why did he make them susceptible to temptation? Furthermore, why did he tempt these people who are susceptible to temptation if he didnt want them to be tempted? Why did he punish them when they did exactly what they were created to do? Why did he make a snake to tempt them? Why entice them with fruit that you know they are going to be enticed with because, he made them as people who would be enticed?

Imagine life without temptation, and half of all choices taken away. What effect would that have on strength of mind and spirit...on how lives and personalities are shaped. Wouldn't that be the Creator saying, "I don't trust them to learn to do right..doing right must be forced upon them." Does mankind--as a whole--have so little faith in one another to overcome temptation that no one should be allowed to try?

Punishment? Perhaps consider 'consequences' as a more accurate description. Touch a hot stove, the consequence is a burned finger. Jump off a high place, the consequence is injury or death.

The 'fruit' was knowledge of good and evil. Hebrew lore talks about this, that it was intended for mankind to have the knowledge of good and evil. The problem was it was grasped at--eaten--soon. This is why some of the Orthodox community will not eat the fruit of a tree until the second year it produces, a discipline to practice patience and waiting until the proper time to act.

 

[JoeMoma]

Imagine life without temptation, and half of all choices taken away. What effect would that have on strength of mind and spirit...on how lives and personalities are shaped. Wouldn't that be the Creator saying, "I don't trust them to learn to do right..doing right must be forced upon them." Does mankind--as a whole--have so little faith in one another to overcome temptation that no one should be allowed to try?

Punishment? Perhaps consider 'consequences' as a more accurate description. Touch a hot stove, the consequence is a burned finger. Jump off a high place, the consequence is injury or death.

The 'fruit' was knowledge of good and evil. Hebrew lore talks about this, that it was intended for mankind to have the knowledge of good and evil. The problem was it was grasped at--eaten--soon. This is why some of the Orthodox community will not eat the fruit of a tree until the second year it produces, a discipline to practice patience and waiting until the proper time to act.

Imagine allowing your two year old toddler access to a busy street. You instruct him not to play in traffic but then allow him to make the decision -- free will. He plays in traffic and gets squashed by an semi. Well, you told him the consequences; he should had known better.

 

[Godboy]

Imagine life without temptation, and half of all choices taken away. What effect would that have on strength of mind and spirit...on how lives and personalities are shaped. Wouldn't that be the Creator saying, "I don't trust them to learn to do right..doing right must be forced upon them." Does mankind--as a whole--have so little faith in one another to overcome temptation that no one should be allowed to try?

Punishment? Perhaps consider 'consequences' as a more accurate description. Touch a hot stove, the consequence is a burned finger. Jump off a high place, the consequence is injury or death.

The 'fruit' was knowledge of good and evil. Hebrew lore talks about this, that it was intended for mankind to have the knowledge of good and evil. The problem was it was grasped at--eaten--soon. This is why some of the Orthodox community will not eat the fruit of a tree until the second year it produces, a discipline to practice patience and waiting until the proper time to act.

Temptation is not an inherently evil thing. Temptation leads to marriage, for example.

The entire story of Adam and Eve is incredibly flawed. If you were to say that it is all poetic license and its just meant to be a story about morals, i can accept that, but most people seem to take it as a literal story, which is where i take offense.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin exactly how it came to play out in the Garden of Eden before He began the first day of creation?

well he knows everything...probably why he had the plan b. GUess he figured out we are NOT to be trusted.

 

[GLASNOST]

I reckon it was a good thing because:

1). There are no more talking snakes in the trees.
2). We can now eat apples to our heart's content and Johnny Appleseed became a national hero.

/---/ On the downside, girls started wearing clothes.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

 

[JoeMoma]

well he knows everything...probably why he had the plan b. GUess he figured out we are NOT to be trusted.

Knowing everything before "The Beginning", there was not a Plan A and Plan B. The fall of Man is Plan A, planned even before the creation.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus was called and foreordained before the foundation of this earth to be Savior. Apparently God did know the outcome from the beginning and knew that Adam and Eve would fall. Yet He still went through with the plan.

1 Peter 1:19-21
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Was it a backup plan or did God actually know that Adam and Eve would fall and called and foreordained a Savior before the foundation of the world? Was it a good thing that mankind came to know good and evil and became more like God?

Genesis 3:22
22 ¶ And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: