Zone1 Was it a good or bad thing that Adam and Eve fell after partaking of the forbidden fruit?

[JoeMoma]

It was apparent they did know obedience vs disobedience...

So do two year-olds. And they deserve to die if they play in traffic. That's the consequence of disobedience.

 

[onefour1]

When did those nifty talking snakes go extinct?

Their spirits went into Balaam's donkey.

 

[Meriweather]

So do two year-olds. And they deserve to die if they play in traffic. That's the consequence of disobedience.

They "deserve" no such thing. It can be a consequence--which is why they are told not to play in the street.

 

[JoeMoma]

They "deserve" no such thing. It can be a consequence--which is why they are told not to play in the street.

So does that mean Adam and Eve did not deserve to die as a consequence -- which is why they were told not to eat it?

 

[Meriweather]

So does that mean Adam and Eve did not deserve to die as a consequence -- which is why they were told not to eat it?

A consequence of putting oneself in danger is the possibility of losing the life that could have been. It also affects the lives of those who are close.

 

[JoeMoma]

A consequence of putting oneself in danger is the possibility of losing the life that could have been. It also affects the lives of those who are close.

I agree, but that does not answer my question.

 

[GreatestIam]

Was it the will of God that Adam and Eve live forever in the Garden of Eden or not?

No.

If it was Yahweh's will that A & E live in Eden forever, he would not have put Satan in Eden to tempt Eve. Christians singing of Adam's sin being necessary to God's plan should tell us all that sin must be embrace because without it, we would go extinct.

Is Satan divine for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn.

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.



Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

 

[petro]

/---/ On the downside, girls started wearing clothes.

Any visit to Walmart, that is actually a good thing.

 

[GreatestIam]

Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin exactly how it came to play out in the Garden of Eden before He began the first day of creation?

Yes he did as Jesus had already been selected to die for us. So the myth goes.
Speaking of Jesus -- 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

I think Yahweh should have dies because he was responsible for putting Satan in Eden and not Jesus. What do you think?

 

[GreatestIam]

It was apparent they did know obedience vs disobedience...

Perhaps, but they could not know which was good and which was evil as they had yet to consume that knowledge. Right?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Any visit to Walmart, that is actually a good thing.

/—/ Be nice.

 

[GreatestIam]

When did those nifty talking snakes go extinct?

We are still around, incognito.

 

[Meriweather]

I agree, but that does not answer my question.

I cannot imagine a situation where someone "deserves" to die. Consequences, for behaviors are inevitable.

 

[onefour1]

God, knowing the end from the beginning, and knowing that Adam and Eve would partake of the forbidden fruit before the world was created, called and foreordained a Savior before the earth was created. God then, knowing what would transpire, went ahead and cast Lucifer (Satan) and his minions into the earth knowing they would tempt Adam and Eve and bring about the fall. God also went ahead and planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden knowing full well that after commanding Adam and Eve not to partake of it, that they would indeed partake of it and fall. Surely God, knowing that these things would bring about the fall of man, could have prevented these things from happening! He could have placed Satan and his minions else where and not planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not command against eating from it. But He didn't!! He, knowing full well the outcome from the beginning knew what He was doing. It was part of His plan from the beginning. It was essential that mankind experience good and evil and become more like God himself. This mortal life was necessary for the progression of all mankind. The atonement of Jesus Christ was provided to bring all mankind back to an immortal state of being and to allow mankind to choose in and of himself to follow after good or evil to determine what manner of being each would choose to be given their free will choice. Surely mistakes would occur and man could learn from his mistakes and still find forgiveness of those mistakes through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Repentance and forgiveness was granted and man was allowed to overcome his weaknesses and progress to be more like God. This temporary mortal school ground of good and evil was all part of God's plan to help us to progress to become more like God. We probably chose to participate in this mortal life before coming here. As the spirit children of God, we all fought in the war in heaven to bring about God's purposes for us here on this earth.

 

[Meriweather]

Perhaps, but they could not know which was good and which was evil as they had yet to consume that knowledge. Right?

Good and evil? Perhaps not. Right and wrong or Advisable and inadvisable would most likely have been within their grasp.

 

[GreatestIam]

God, knowing the end from the beginning, and knowing that Adam and Eve would partake of the forbidden fruit before the world was created, called and foreordained a Savior before the earth was created.

If you knew you were going to fuck up, would you use an immoral and unjust policy to remedy your initial incompetence in creating less than good and perfect?

 

[onefour1]

If you knew you were going to fuck up, would you use an immoral and unjust policy to remedy your initial incompetence in creating less than good and perfect?

God did not screw up nor did He before hand believe that he was going to screw up. His policy was not immoral or unjust and he was not initially incompetent. The intelligence of man is self-existent and was not created or made and neither indeed can be. God cannot create our intelligence and has to use other means to bring about our progression throughout eternity.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Well it's bad news for anyone birthing a baby! Used to be pain free...

 

[GreatestIam]

Good and evil? Perhaps not. Right and wrong or Advisable and inadvisable would most likely have been within their grasp.

Impossible. Based on what data or knowledge?

 

[GreatestIam]

God did not screw up nor did He before hand believe that he was going to screw up. His policy was not immoral or unjust and he was not initially incompetent. The intelligence of man is self-existent and was not created or made and neither indeed can be. God cannot create our intelligence and has to use other means to bring about our progression throughout eternity.

Mass murder when a cure is available is moral to you.

Thanks for showing what believing makes you think. Nothing quite like adoring murder over curing.