Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

[DOTR]

And yet the Jews of the OT saw God as loving and caring.

??

Where did the name Israel come from?

From Jacob fighting against God via his angel.

Israel means to strive both for and against god.

That Jewish view is exemplified in this link that judges god and finds him guilty.



Regards
DL

Why are you even reading the Bible?

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

Can you provide a link for your Gnostic Christian views?

There are *only* links. Gnosticism is a chat room religion. Like Wicca.

 

[james bond]

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

"You're not going to die." I think that's what is written in the Gnostic bible.

Gnostic bible? What Gnostic bible?

Get the quote and it's context please as I am not sure what your source is.

If it is what I think it is, it refers to good thinking and those are the ideas that never die.

Regards
DL

What kind of Gnostic are you? You know very well. Check amazon.

Here is one example from last month... Kamala Harris Assures Crying Supporter: 'You're Not Going to Die'

 

[james bond]

And yet the Jews of the OT saw God as loving and caring.

??

Where did the name Israel come from?

From Jacob fighting against God via his angel.

Israel means to strive both for and against god.

That Jewish view is exemplified in this link that judges god and finds him guilty.



Regards
DL

Why are you even reading the Bible?

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

Can you provide a link for your Gnostic Christian views?

I was about to say someone is a phony, but let him speak for himself and people here can decide for themselves. Here is the part of "You're not going to die." And how twisted it gets.

'and the following exchange takes place:



Serpent: "Did [the Creator] say, `You shall not eat of any

tree in the garden'?"



Eve: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden;

but [the Creator] said, `You shall not eat of the

fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the

garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.' "



Serpent: "You will not die. For [the Creator] knows that

when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and

you be like [the gods] knowing good and evil."



Later, after eating from the tree, and, by the way, not

dying, Adam and Eve "heard the sound of the Lord God walking in

the garden"1. It is curious to note that from the exchange that

follows that the Creator does not seem to know what has taken

place in their "absence", just as they did not seem to know what

was happening inSodom andGomorrah orwhat occurredto
Cain's

brother, Able2. Upon learning what has transpired the Creator


1 Gen 3:8


2 Gen 4:9



32


726

then put a curse upon the serpent, Eve, and Adam. We then learn

that the Creator had lied to Adam and Eve when they told them

that they would die and in remarking reveal: "Behold, the man

has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest

he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat,

and live forever..."1. This speaking in the plural is echoed in

the Tower of Babel incident: "Come, let us go down and there

confuse their language"2.

Throughout time the serpent has stood as symbol of

immortality. Many ancient cultures upon seeing the shed skin

of a snake believed that the snake never died; only shedding one

body for a new one. In Greek mythology the god Prometheus is

often depicted as a winged serpent bringing the gift of fire to

man. Later Prometheus was replaced by the image of the wing-

footed Hermes holding aloft the caduceus or "serpent entwined

staff" as he brought the secret knowledge of the gods to mankind.

These images of winged and fiery serpents can be found in

the Old Testament. In Numbers "the Lord sent fiery serpents among

the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of

Israel died"3. To counteract this attack, Moses is told to "make'

Internet Book of Shadows: Gnosticism

 

[GreatestIam]

And yet the Jews of the OT saw God as loving and caring.

??

Where did the name Israel come from?

From Jacob fighting against God via his angel.

Israel means to strive both for and against god.

That Jewish view is exemplified in this link that judges god and finds him guilty.



Regards
DL

Why are you even reading the Bible?

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

Can you provide a link for your Gnostic Christian views?

After you answer the question.

Which group do you think is right?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

Jesus is God. You should learn the terminology of the religions which intimidate you.

If Jesus is god, then god can die and is not eternal.

Thanks for killing the idea that god is eternal.

BTW, if a sacrifice does not stay dead, it is not a sacrifice. It is a joke.

Regards
DL

Nobody ever thought of that before chat room religions like yours were born.

You know this as a fact, how?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

Jesus is God. You should learn the terminology of the religions which intimidate you.

If Jesus is god, then god can die and is not eternal.

Thanks for killing the idea that god is eternal.

BTW, if a sacrifice does not stay dead, it is not a sacrifice. It is a joke.

Regards
DL

Sadly, fundamentalist Christians read only that Christ died for our sins. They read 1 Corinthians 15:3 and believe that he died for our sins but not that he died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures.

you will find GreatestIam is a fundamentalist atheist. America is full of them...products of fundamentalism.

When all you can do is lie ----

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

On Jesus dying for you to appease your swollen egos, that wants you to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place

If you believe no "god" would die for you, then He hasnt. Sucks to be you.

I prefer to stay in the moral high ground and take responsibility for my actions.

I leave the satanic lower levels for Christian scapegoat riders like you.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

"You're not going to die." I think that's what is written in the Gnostic bible.

Gnostic bible? What Gnostic bible?

Get the quote and it's context please as I am not sure what your source is.

If it is what I think it is, it refers to good thinking and those are the ideas that never die.

Regards
DL

What kind of Gnostic are you? You know very well. Check amazon.

Here is one example from last month... Kamala Harris Assures Crying Supporter: 'You're Not Going to Die'

No source for your garbage. Got it.

Regards
DL

 

[james bond]

Why are you not reading it?

I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.” ---- William Blake.

I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and reverse a lot of the Christian morals.

Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

IE. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

Which group do you think is right?

Did I just ask you to think? What in hell was I thinking of in asking the impossible from you.

Regards
DL

"You're not going to die." I think that's what is written in the Gnostic bible.

Gnostic bible? What Gnostic bible?

Get the quote and it's context please as I am not sure what your source is.

If it is what I think it is, it refers to good thinking and those are the ideas that never die.

Regards
DL

What kind of Gnostic are you? You know very well. Check amazon.

Here is one example from last month... Kamala Harris Assures Crying Supporter: 'You're Not Going to Die'

No source for your garbage. Got it.

Regards
DL

You should know this stuff already since you claim to be a Gnostic. That makes you a stupid Gnostic . You should've known about the Gnostic bible and have read it. I am your opponent, so why should I provide information that you'll use against me or to confuse?

I've met other smarter Gnostics and they told me about this stuff. Just show interest in Gnosticism or read about it online. That makes you an ignorant stupid Gnostic . ding is laughing his arse off and so am I .

You should change your handle to GreateststupidgnosticIam.

 

[DOTR]

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it

By that you mean you go in chat rooms and badmouth Christianity.
Pretty shallow excuse for a “religion”.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

Actually, Billy, Jesus was God made Flesh

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

Actually, Billy, Jesus was God made Flesh

That's what I said.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

Actually, Billy, Jesus was God made Flesh

That's what I said.

ok

 

[GreatestIam]

Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it

By that you mean you go in chat rooms and badmouth Christianity.
Pretty shallow excuse for a “religion”.

What is shallow are homophobic and misogynous religions that idol worship a genocidal prick of a god while thinking such a prick is good.

As to me, I go by, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is ignore it, --- like you want me to do.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Nice that your answer bothered you enough for you to post irrelevant garbage.

Cowards can never be moral, coward.

Regards
DL

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Nice that your answer bothered you enough for you to post irrelevant garbage.

Cowards can never be moral, coward.

Regards
DL

WOW what an ignorant post
If Jesus is God how did God choose Jesus?

 

[GreatestIam]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Nice that your answer bothered you enough for you to post irrelevant garbage.

Cowards can never be moral, coward.

Regards
DL

WOW what an ignorant post
If Jesus is God how did God choose Jesus?

You tell me. It is your fantasy, not mine. I just quote your garbage back to you.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Try not to be ignorant in your reply. Hard I know but do try.

Regards
DL

 

[james bond]

Jesus was also fully human, and had the free will to make a choice. He decided with both aspects that we were worth the price.

Actually, Billy, Jesus was God made Flesh

Jesus was always God (eternal). He was born flesh and blood, i.e. fully human, through the Holy Spirit. He died and rose again the third day (another 3). No flesh and blood shall enter heaven, so he was resurrected as new flesh and bone. This is what happens to the faithful.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.

That is an evil act to most people.

If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?

Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?

Regards
DL

John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Nice that your answer bothered you enough for you to post irrelevant garbage.

Cowards can never be moral, coward.

Regards
DL

WOW what an ignorant post
If Jesus is God how did God choose Jesus?

You tell me. It is your fantasy, not mine. I just quote your garbage back to you.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Try not to be ignorant in your reply. Hard I know but do try.

Regards
DL

I did tell you John 1:1