Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[BreezeWood]

What religion is better, in your opinion?

goal ...

not the one that crucified jesus - or the other two desert religions all w/ the same false preamble written in their bibles.

the spoken religion of antiquity, six words in length heavenly goal granted a&e by their request for self determination to be equals in the heavens and its reiteration, the parable of noah as well the 1st century events, jesus - the triumph of good vs evil - necessary to acquire judgement for admission to the everlasting.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

God isn't all powerful

Really? I disagree completely.
Sounds like the "can God create a boulder so heavy He can't move it?" Thinking

 

[rylah]

Everything God creates is good.

Yet only the 6th day was concluded as "very good."

Does your dogma allow God to create the evil as well?

 

[rylah]

Sorry, not understanding your point. If you are dancing around the fact that the Adam and Eve story is apocryphal, we're agreed it is.

Human culture is not apocryphal,
collective archetypes are a common
biological expression to all living species.

Do you have a point beside changing the goalposts of your contradictions?

 

[BreezeWood]

So why does the text mention 'curse'
in reference to all participants - except Eve?

the desert bibles are littered w/ forgeries lies and fallacies perhaps not all intentional ... an obvious underlaying message from the episodes beginning in determination of actual heavenly intent than what is written.

written by who - the liar moses - the serpent - a scribe, leo - who hates women ... for who are destined for the heavens will know best, who that may be.

except eve - is heavenly.

 

[rylah]

How do you reconcile your belief that God gave man an evil inclination?

I'm sure you're capable of more than a strawman fallacy.

 

[rylah]

What you are arguing is unimportant. The point of the account isn’t about blame. It’s about accountability. That successful behaviors naturally lead to success and failed behaviors naturally lead to failure. It’s literally the basis for establishing standards/laws and the covenant. It’s what being chosen means.

The text is less important than your dogma?

 

[BreezeWood]

The story of Eden is about mankind achieving awareness, not punishment.

all beings, their creation of life - the spirit they've included for all living beings.

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

moses was a shadow member of the kkk - ^ the true heavenly story of genesis.

 

[Divine Wind]

Well apparently if the serpent was the fruit,
they weren't called differently.

Let's stick to the text.

The text has always held a fascinating phraseology for me. "Like one of us"? God expelled both Adam and Eve. The "tree that gives life" is always interesting.

Genesis 3:22-24
22 Then the Lord God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.”
23 So the Lord God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and made them cultivate the soil from which they had been formed.
24 Then at the east side of the garden he put living creatures and a flaming sword which turned in all directions. This was to keep anyone from coming near the tree that gives life.

 

[Divine Wind]

all beings, their creation of life - the spirit they've included for all living beings.



moses was a shadow member of the kkk - the true heavenly story of genesis.

There's the spirit and then there's the self-awareness thing which Genesis makes a big deal about.

Personally, I think God created evolution so, like a farmer plowing a field and planting crops, it just grows on its own. It's possible there were several intelligent species, especially among humanoids, but, like now, we have a bad habit of killing each other off.

 

[rylah]

the desert bibles are littered w/ forgeries lies and fallacies perhaps not all intentional ... an obvious underlaying message from the episodes beginning in determination of actual heavenly intent than what is written.

written by who - the liar moses - the serpent - a scribe, leo - who hates women ... for who are destined for the heavens will know best, who that may be.

except eve - is heavenly.

Eve is indeed heavenly,
it is Adam who was banished.

Or you're the only ape "in the know"?

 

[rylah]

The text has always held a fascinating phraseology for me. "Like one of us"? God expelled both Adam and Eve. The "tree that gives life" is always interesting.

Genesis 3:22-24
22 Then the Lord God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.”
23 So the Lord God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and made them cultivate the soil from which they had been formed.
24 Then at the east side of the garden he put living creatures and a flaming sword which turned in all directions. This was to keep anyone from coming near the tree that gives life.

No verse mentions expulsion of Eve.

Read the verse before it [21] mentioning Eve.
Genesis 3:22-24 specifically distinguishes Adam.

 

[Divine Wind]

No verse mentions expulsion of Eve.

Read the verse before it [21] mentioning Eve.
Genesis 3:22-24 specifically distinguishes Adam.

"Them" is plural. Who left with Adam? The snake?

 

[rylah]

"Them" is plural. Who left with Adam? The snake?

There's no "both", "them" or "they" - it's all singular.

21 explicitly speaks of Adam and Eve,
then 22-24 follows with no mention of Eve.

 

[Divine Wind]

Really? I disagree completely.
Sounds like the "can God create a boulder so heavy He can't move it?" Thinking

God is outside the physical universe. Are you and I agreed God created the Universe and all the rules within it?

Since God is all powerful, it's also very possible this isn't the only universe God created.

 

[Divine Wind]

There's no "both", "them" or "they" - it's all singular.

21 explicitly speaks of Adam and Eve,
then 22-24 follows with no mention of Eve.

Which translation are you using? The one I quoted is the GNT but the KJV only mentions "him" and "man" not Adam or Steve. <--joke

Again, let's not forget Moses didn't write down the story until 2400 years later.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:22-24 - Good News Translation

Adam and Eve Are Sent Out of the Garden - Then the LORD God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.” So the LORD God sent them out...

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Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:22-24 - King James Version

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So...

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22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[rylah]

Which translation are you using? The one I quoted is the GNT but the KJV only mentions "him" and "man" not Adam or Steve. <--joke

Again, let's not forget Moses didn't write down the story until 2400 years later.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:22-24 - Good News Translation

Adam and Eve Are Sent Out of the Garden - Then the LORD God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad. They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.” So the LORD God sent them out...

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 3:22-24 - King James Version

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So...

www.biblegateway.com

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I'm not using a translation.

Not a single verse in your post mentions Eve.

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm not using a translation.

Not a single verse in your post mentions Eve.

Correct. It uses the plural "them". Who do you think the "them" was referencing?

 

[rylah]

Correct. It uses the plural "them". Who do you think the "them" was referencing?

Neither Eve is mentioned nor the plural "them", only Adam.

The verse before it [21] explicitly refers to both Adam and Eve.