Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[rylah]

Human history seems to run in only one direction like time....but I could be wrong.

Not if you presume human culture is "borrowed" from a singular point in time.

According to that logic, the WWII is but a myth originated in the Berlin province of Sumer.

 

[Divine Wind]

Not if you presume human culture is "borrowed" from a singular point in time.

According to that logic, the WWII is but a myth originated in the Berlin province of Sumer.

Sorry, not understanding your point. If you are dancing around the fact that the Adam and Eve story is apocryphal, we're agreed it is.

 

[rylah]

really, garden earth is cursed because of eve ... that's suppose to be better than the christian original sin.

or they chose to fend for themselves to become equals and were given the heavenly goal to free their spirits for remission to the everlasting as reaffirmed in the 1st century, jesus.

So why does the text mention 'curse'
in reference to all participants - except Eve?

 

[rylah]

Adam was weak. Eve did not obey. An example of why men need to lead and not women.

Then why did G-d conclude the 6th day as "very good",

compared to the rest?

 

[ding]

Then why did G-d conclude the 6th day as "very good",

compared to the rest?

Everything God creates is good.

 

[ding]

Sorry, not understanding your point. If you are dancing around the fact that the Adam and Eve story is apocryphal, we're agreed it is.

That’s like saying the story about George Washington chopping down a cherry tree is untrue without understanding what the story was about. The story wasn’t about chopping down a cherry tree the story was about his honesty. That story is true. The cherry tree is just a device used to show his honesty. Arguing it’s untrue that George chopped down a cherry tree doesn’t make the point of the story untrue.

Reading the OT accounts to understand the message of the author takes effort and intellect.

 

[rylah]

Silly nonsense

she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it

Only Eve is said to eat of the fruit.

Can you find a single verse referring to Adam
eating anything specific rather than of the tree?

 

[ding]

Then why did G-d conclude the 6th day as "very good",

compared to the rest?

How do you reconcile your belief that God gave man an evil inclination?

 

[ding]

Only Eve is said to eat of the fruit.

Can you find a single verse referring to Adam
eating anything specific rather than of the tree?

What you are arguing is unimportant. The point of the account isn’t about blame. It’s about accountability. That successful behaviors naturally lead to success and failed behaviors naturally lead to failure. It’s literally the basis for establishing standards/laws and the covenant. It’s what being chosen means.

 

[Divine Wind]

That’s like saying the story about George Washington chopping down a cherry tree is untrue without understanding what the story was about. The story wasn’t about chopping down a cherry tree the story was about his honesty. That story is true. The cherry tree is just a device used to show his honesty. Arguing it’s untrue that George chopped down a cherry tree doesn’t make the point of the story untrue.

Reading the OT accounts to understand the message of the author takes effort and intellect.

The story about Washington and the cherry tree is a fabrication.

Understood about the points of the stories in Genesis.

Ten Common Misconceptions About George Washington

Some of the most commonly known "facts" about George Washington are simply not true. Go beyond the mythology and find out how much you don't know about the man.

www.mountvernon.org

2. A young Washington demonstrated his honest character after coming clean about chopping down his father's cherry tree​

Ironically, this iconic story about the value of honesty was invented by one of Washington’s first biographers, an itinerant minister and bookseller named Mason Locke Weems. His cherry tree myth is the most well-known and longest enduring legend about George Washington

 

[Carl in Michigan]

In answer to the thread title, yes, BOTH were expelled from Eden

 

[ding]

The story about Washington and the cherry tree is a fabrication.

Understood about the points of the stories in Genesis.

Ten Common Misconceptions About George Washington

Some of the most commonly known "facts" about George Washington are simply not true. Go beyond the mythology and find out how much you don't know about the man.

www.mountvernon.org

2. A young Washington demonstrated his honest character after coming clean about chopping down his father's cherry tree​

Ironically, this iconic story about the value of honesty was invented by one of Washington’s first biographers, an itinerant minister and bookseller named Mason Locke Weems. His cherry tree myth is the most well-known and longest enduring legend about George Washington

I know the story was a fabrication. His honesty wasn’t. The cherry was just a device used to convey he was honest. The account of the fall of man is no different.

 

[Divine Wind]

How do you reconcile your belief that God gave man an evil inclination?

God gave man free will. The ability to choose. If a person doesn't have at least two choices, in this case the choice between good and evil, then they can't choose.

The story of Eden is about mankind achieving awareness, not punishment.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The story about Washington and the cherry tree is a fabrication.

Understood about the points of the stories in Genesis.

Ten Common Misconceptions About George Washington

Some of the most commonly known "facts" about George Washington are simply not true. Go beyond the mythology and find out how much you don't know about the man.

www.mountvernon.org

2. A young Washington demonstrated his honest character after coming clean about chopping down his father's cherry tree​

Ironically, this iconic story about the value of honesty was invented by one of Washington’s first biographers, an itinerant minister and bookseller named Mason Locke Weems. His cherry tree myth is the most well-known and longest enduring legend about George Washington

No ody gave their life for this myth (GW).
Jesus tells us these "stories" are credible.

In fact, if you understand, it was the One born as Jesus who walked in the Garden and confronted the first humans

 

[Divine Wind]

In answer to the thread title, yes, BOTH were expelled from Eden

Seems unfair; God knows everything. Why wouldn't God know what Adam and Eve would do when creating them? Same goes for Lucifer. If Lucifer rebelling or Adam and Eve eating an apple came as a surprise to God, then that limits God's powers.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Seems unfair; God knows everything. Why wouldn't God know what Adam Gand Eve would do when creating them

He knows what is POSSIBLE. He doesn't know the every choice you will make. And it doesn't matter. This life is a LEARNING EXPERIENCE for Mankind.

 

[Divine Wind]

He knows what is POSSIBLE. He doesn't know the every choice you will make. And it doesn't matter. This life is a LEARNING EXPERIENCE for Mankind.

Agreed it's a learning experience for each of us. Sad to see that God isn't all powerful. I tend to disagree on that point.

 

[rylah]

I’m not lying and I’m not Timothy. You don’t understand the New Testament. And according to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, you shouldn’t even be reading the NT as Jews are forbidden to read non-canonical/heretical texts without forfeiting their right in the world to come.

“…While "All Israel have a share in the World to Come," certain specific beliefs and actions can result in the forfeiture of that share.…

…Any Jew who reads "external literature" (non-canonical/heretical books) will not have a place in The World to Come…."

If Timothy doesn't contradict Genesis,
then why should my supposed ignorance
be an excuse to not address Christian dogma?

Using the Mishna in Sanhedrin in this context,
is another example of your poor cognition.
As the same Mishnah conditions all study
of Torah, with the study of earthly ways.
Specifically to address heresy and
ultimately to know God.

Dogma is bad for your sense of humor.