Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[candycorn]

We haven’t had a president in an open car since

Secret Service is much more dillegent. Haven’t had an attempt since Reagan

Oh, I’m sure we’ve had attempts; just none where a shot was ever fired. The SS is much more diligent.
But getting back to your point, we had party crashers make it inside the White House during Obama, Trump standing in front of a few thousand people every other week for a few months during the Fall, thousands of times when the President has been in the open. No attempts. If what you say is true—that “all it takes is one” person with “low self esteem”…why isn’t there an attempt every week? We have what, 500,000,000 guns in this nation?

Again
Secret Service does a lot of things you never see

I went to Obama’s inauguration in 2013. You had to pass through metal detectors to get to the parade route.
In the National Mall you could see snipers on the rooftops of the Smithsonian buildings and K-9 units walking through the crowds

We learn from the past. When Lincoln was shot, you could walk up behind the President unchallenged and shoot him. Not now.

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

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PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

 

[rightwinger]

Oh, I’m sure we’ve had attempts; just none where a shot was ever fired. The SS is much more diligent.
But getting back to your point, we had party crashers make it inside the White House during Obama, Trump standing in front of a few thousand people every other week for a few months during the Fall, thousands of times when the President has been in the open. No attempts. If what you say is true—that “all it takes is one” person with “low self esteem”…why isn’t there an attempt every week? We have what, 500,000,000 guns in this nation?

Again
Secret Service does a lot of things you never see

I went to Obama’s inauguration in 2013. You had to pass through metal detectors to get to the parade route.
In the National Mall you could see snipers on the rooftops of the Smithsonian buildings and K-9 units walking through the crowds

We learn from the past. When Lincoln was shot, you could walk up behind the President unchallenged and shoot him. Not now.

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

View attachment 233764

PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

Looks like they are having fun
Again, Secret Service would have been all over him if it turned ugly

 

[candycorn]

Again
Secret Service does a lot of things you never see

I went to Obama’s inauguration in 2013. You had to pass through metal detectors to get to the parade route.
In the National Mall you could see snipers on the rooftops of the Smithsonian buildings and K-9 units walking through the crowds

We learn from the past. When Lincoln was shot, you could walk up behind the President unchallenged and shoot him. Not now.

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

View attachment 233764

PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

Looks like they are having fun
Again, Secret Service would have been all over him if it turned ugly

Whatever it is, it proves (not that something so elementary had to be proven) that there is no some impenetrable zone around the President, the VP or their families.

 

[rightwinger]

We learn from the past. When Lincoln was shot, you could walk up behind the President unchallenged and shoot him. Not now.

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

View attachment 233764

PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

Looks like they are having fun
Again, Secret Service would have been all over him if it turned ugly

Whatever it is, it proves (not that something so elementary had to be proven) that there is no some impenetrable zone around the President, the VP or their families.

Agree

In addition to better security, I think there has been a paradigm shift from the 60s and 70s
Back then, everything seemed to be about assasinations

Now it seems to be more about mass killings

 

[Soupnazi630]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK. There is no evidence that he was stalking JFK

However, he did learn that JFKs motorcade would drive past his place of work the day before

His reason was simple. He had low self esteem and wanted to be a big shot

Kennedy went to a great many cities….I know he visited Florida, Boston, New York etc… All of them had low self-esteem losers. None of them shot Kennedy. I know your argument isn’t that simple but really, you think that was it?

There is probably a record of attempts in many of those cities. Nearly every president has more than one attempt on their life.

The advantage Oswald had was the morotcade plan which went right by his place of employment.

We know Oswald had already attempted to murder for political reasons.

The opportunity with Kennedy did just fall in his lap.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

View attachment 233764

PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

Looks like they are having fun
Again, Secret Service would have been all over him if it turned ugly

Whatever it is, it proves (not that something so elementary had to be proven) that there is no some impenetrable zone around the President, the VP or their families.

Agree

In addition to better security, I think there has been a paradigm shift from the 60s and 70s
Back then, everything seemed to be about assasinations

Now it seems to be more about mass killings

In the sixties it was not even about assassination as it should have been.

Secret service agents from JFK's detail have talked and written extensively about this.

True their job was to protect the president but it was no where near as serious as it is today

Essentially they and everyone elese had victory disease. We were the most powerful and wealthiest nation in history and even the service did not take threats against the president seriously. They did not have the level of professional paranoia which they have today.

They did not have any where near the number of agents or technogy or resources they have today.

In 63 agents did not need a college degree or even a high school diploma. Bill Greer is an example. He was driving JFK's limp and was a full fledged agent. But he had no high school diploma and never went to college

This would be unheard of today. It is unheard of for agents to drink and party like they did the night before Kennedy's murder but it was common in 63.

Many people build conspiracy theories about violations of policy by the secret service but in fact most such policies we're written AFTER and because of the Kennedy assassination.

The JFK assassination taught many painful lessons to the sec Serv. Just because we defeated the third reich and Japanese empire and built the atom Bomb does not mean one man with a gun cannot kill our president.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK. There is no evidence that he was stalking JFK

However, he did learn that JFKs motorcade would drive past his place of work the day before

His reason was simple. He had low self esteem and wanted to be a big shot

Kennedy went to a great many cities….I know he visited Florida, Boston, New York etc… All of them had low self-esteem losers. None of them shot Kennedy. I know your argument isn’t that simple but really, you think that was it?

It only takes one

Once Oswald bought his $19.95 rifle he was obsessed with assasination

He tried Gen Walker and failed. JFK was the next available target

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

 

[candycorn]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

rightwinger did

 

[candycorn]

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK. There is no evidence that he was stalking JFK

However, he did learn that JFKs motorcade would drive past his place of work the day before

His reason was simple. He had low self esteem and wanted to be a big shot

Kennedy went to a great many cities….I know he visited Florida, Boston, New York etc… All of them had low self-esteem losers. None of them shot Kennedy. I know your argument isn’t that simple but really, you think that was it?

It only takes one

Once Oswald bought his $19.95 rifle he was obsessed with assasination

He tried Gen Walker and failed. JFK was the next available target

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Oh, I’m sure we’ve had attempts; just none where a shot was ever fired. The SS is much more diligent.
But getting back to your point, we had party crashers make it inside the White House during Obama, Trump standing in front of a few thousand people every other week for a few months during the Fall, thousands of times when the President has been in the open. No attempts. If what you say is true—that “all it takes is one” person with “low self esteem”…why isn’t there an attempt every week? We have what, 500,000,000 guns in this nation?

Again
Secret Service does a lot of things you never see

I went to Obama’s inauguration in 2013. You had to pass through metal detectors to get to the parade route.
In the National Mall you could see snipers on the rooftops of the Smithsonian buildings and K-9 units walking through the crowds

We learn from the past. When Lincoln was shot, you could walk up behind the President unchallenged and shoot him. Not now.

Yup, its impossible to get a shot off at the President. Nobody can get close!!!!

View attachment 233764

PS: I don’t recommend he try that with trump.

The guy is about thirty seconds from being spread eagled on the floor

I seem to have missed the part where the SS is laying the guy out.

Again, the SS does much more than we will ever know to keep protectees safe. That isn’t the issue.

The issue is your stance that the security is so tight that someone who wants to be a “big shot” with low self-esteem and a rifle can’t get at the President or VP or the President’s family. We have nut jobs, we have more guns than ever, we have more lethal guns than ever, we have more political hatred than normal…. If what you say is true that Oswald was just a

Nutjob (which we have)
with a gun (which we have)

why aren’t attempts being made more often?

One good reason. Is that unsuccessful attempts are often. Kept queit.

Just because it is not known to happen now NOT an argument against Oswald killing Kennedy

 

[Soupnazi630]

I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK. There is no evidence that he was stalking JFK

However, he did learn that JFKs motorcade would drive past his place of work the day before

His reason was simple. He had low self esteem and wanted to be a big shot

Kennedy went to a great many cities….I know he visited Florida, Boston, New York etc… All of them had low self-esteem losers. None of them shot Kennedy. I know your argument isn’t that simple but really, you think that was it?

It only takes one

Once Oswald bought his $19.95 rifle he was obsessed with assasination

He tried Gen Walker and failed. JFK was the next available target

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

Yes

 

[Soupnazi630]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

rightwinger did

No he didn't really.

He clearly stated the opportunity dropped in Oswald's lap but Oswald already had a history of such attempts

 

[candycorn]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

rightwinger did

No he didn't really.

He clearly stated the opportunity dropped in Oswald's lap but Oswald already had a history of such attempts

It would help greatly if you read the thread before posting.

"I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK.”— rightwinger

 

[candycorn]

Kennedy went to a great many cities….I know he visited Florida, Boston, New York etc… All of them had low self-esteem losers. None of them shot Kennedy. I know your argument isn’t that simple but really, you think that was it?

It only takes one

Once Oswald bought his $19.95 rifle he was obsessed with assasination

He tried Gen Walker and failed. JFK was the next available target

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

Yes

Care to tell us where and when?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Proof of a conspiracy goes something like this....

I think the CIA was involved because
I think the mafia was involved because
I think the Russians were involved because

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

rightwinger did

No he didn't really.

He clearly stated the opportunity dropped in Oswald's lap but Oswald already had a history of such attempts

It would help greatly if you read the thread before posting.

"I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK.”— rightwinger

Yes because one day he woke up and saw he had the opportunity.

If you read the thread you will see that right winger has pointed out many times that oswald had a history of such attempts.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It only takes one

Once Oswald bought his $19.95 rifle he was obsessed with assasination

He tried Gen Walker and failed. JFK was the next available target

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

Yes

Care to tell us where and when?

Yes Clinton.

A man attacked the white house with a full auto weapon firing several shots while clinton was inside.

 

[candycorn]

If that is all that it took…one person with a gun and low self esteem…it would seem we would never have a president who made it a week past inauguration. Again…do you think it is that simple?

Why haven’t we had an assassination attempt with shots fired since Reagan?

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

Yes

Care to tell us where and when?

Yes Clinton.

A man attacked the white house with a full auto weapon firing several shots while clinton was inside.

hardly the same thing as the President being out in the open and exposed and very much off the spirit of the discussion we were having but thanks for confirming the rarity of the occurrence.

 

[candycorn]

Conjecture isn’t meant to be proof. If you think he just woke up one day and decided to kill Kennedy for zero tangible reason...cool. I see in LHO someone who is a loser but has a history of being nothing if not transactional. He does things for reasons or at least usually did. I’m not buying the, “well it’s Tuesday so I guess I’ll kill the President” argument

No onrade such an argument.

Oswald had a history of seeking notoriety through violence.

JFK was a quick opportunity for something he was already seeking.

rightwinger did

No he didn't really.

He clearly stated the opportunity dropped in Oswald's lap but Oswald already had a history of such attempts

It would help greatly if you read the thread before posting.

"I believe he did just wake up one day and decide to kill JFK.”— rightwinger

Yes because one day he woke up and saw he had the opportunity.

If you read the thread you will see that right winger has pointed out many times that oswald had a history of such attempts.

 

[Soupnazi630]

We have had such attempts since reagan

Where the assailant fired a shot?

Yes

Care to tell us where and when?

Yes Clinton.

A man attacked the white house with a full auto weapon firing several shots while clinton was inside.

hardly the same thing as the President being out in the open and exposed and very much off the spirit of the discussion we were having but thanks for confirming the rarity of the occurrence.

No two assassinations are the same or attempted assassinations.

But it was a shots fired attempt.

The fact that it is known to happen rarely means nothing and is not an argument.

Just because something is uncommon does not mean it is unlikely or improbable.