War with Iran?

[GoneBezerk]

Yep, you can't answer my questions because you are clueless. Oh, but you think you know Israel, the middle east, etc.

As for your bullshit.....of course we are the world's superpower and we should make sure certain countries and groups don't get WMD. WMD....dumbfuck.....that means bio weapons, chem weapons and nukes.

It is a bad situation if Iran gets nukes, so we should stop Iran from getting nukes you fucking moron.

Since most of you simpletons believe you know our relationship with Israel and how we will deal with Iran....first a simple question.

What US Combatant Command does Israel fall under? Which US Commander works with Israel?

But you failed to answer my question:
Is it the responsibility of the United States to determine which country is allow to have a Nuclear Program?

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're an idiot.

Russia isn't going to start World War 3 with the western world by defending some ragtag muslims in Iran.

They stood by when their buddy Saddam was taken down and they wll stand by with Iran. They do their work by secretly giving these evil dictators weapons and intel, then pretending at the UN they are shocked countries like Iran and Iraq do bad things.

go play with yourself, little boy.

Iran is going to kill EVERYONE?

Dumbfuck...I thought you said Iran was weak and peaceful, but now they are going to kill everyone on the planet????

Yet again you show you're stupid and fucked in the head too, boy.

People who want war with Iran are mad! You are sick, war-mongering pieces of shit. You are the most un-American garbage I've seen in a long time. Fuck you, skum, you're going to get everyone killed.

War with Iran will put us in direct military confrontation with Russia.

Once that happens, its game over.

 

[GoneBezerk]

We're going to "take" them in some SEAL Team 6 breach?

Oh, maybe you see a Patton like invasion of Iran to roll up and "take" their nukes.

No wonder you are so fucking stupid on this subject.

Get back to your D&D game.

So your strategy is to wait until nutjobs use a nuke to respond to them?
Uh...they don't care at that point, dumbass.

Would you send your kid there to take their nukes, or just let them know about their extinction probability? Chikin-hawks are always willing to send someone else's kid over to fight and die for their stupid ideology.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You have no military experience.....I have a DD214.....nevermind what I've done and know compared to a internet Rambo like you.

So are you a losertarian, nazi or socialist?

You do hate Christians and Jews....right?

I'm pretty spot on with you idiots.

The typical twit here going nuts over stopping Iran from getting nukes usually:

1) Has no military experience, but likes to call others Rambo
2) Is a socialist, muslim or losertarian
3) Doesn't like Christians and Jews
4) Doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground
5) Would rather have taxes spent on goodies for them

Did GoneBezerk just describe himself?
typical twit going nuts over stopping Iran from getting nukes....Check
Has no military experience, but likes to call others Rambo....Check
Doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground....Check
Would rather have taxes spent on goodies for them....Check

 

[Katzndogz]

War with Iran is a bad idea so we should ask them nicely to not fight with us but if they do, we will immediately surrender.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You give them the lesson plan version compared to my bullet notes, but they will ignore your info like they ignore my info since they are idiots.

They really believe Iran is just like India.....the same India that we're now building a stronger military relationship with in the PACOM AOR. I don't recall any military relationship between the US and Iran, but maybe they can tell us in their demented minds.

There are many issues that one has to consider regarding Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. Its not as simple as" I'll nuke you if you nuke us".

You make a number of good points, however they are not new and each of your points could have been used when India, Pakistan, North Korea all went nuclear.



1. If Pakistan obtains nuclear weapons, Iran may feel that it can take actions with its conventional and unconventional forces that it would not have taken in the past. They may see nuclear weapons as a deterent to other countries intervening in whatever actions they may take in the Persian Gulf, Iraq, Israel or Lebanon. Pakistan with nuclear weapons may mean bolder actions by Pakistan, and less interference from the international community in regards to such actions.



2. If India obtains nuclear weapons, it will obviously do whatever it takes to prevent them from being destroyed. India certainly would never want to be in a position where its nuclear forces were destroyed in a first strike by Pakistan. The danger is that India could by mistake launch a nuclear attack on a nation such as Pakistan if they thought a first strike against their nuclear forces was already in progress. Its the Use them or lose them senerio and it will be alive and well the second India deploys nuclear weapons for the first time.



3. If North Korea develops nuclear weapons, the following countries may also decide they need nuclear weapons as well: South Korea, Japan, and Thailand. Several more Pacific Rim countries might also jump on the bandwagon. That does not make for a safer world at all.


Was true when India, Pakistan, North Korea went nuclear.

So there are multiple problems with Iran developing nuclear weapons that have nothing to do with Iran giving nuclear weapons to terrorist or openly deciding to launch and unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons. Iran with nuclear weapons will be a serious and complex problem.

Actually there are multiple problems when any country developing nuclear weapons that have nothing to do with that country giving nuclear weapons to terrorist or openly deciding to launch and unprovoked attack with nuclear weapons. Any country with nuclear weapons will be a serious and complex problem. The question is, "Is it the responsibility of the United States to determine who is allow to have a Nuclear Program?"

Ah, but there is a difference with Iran vs Pakistan and India. The Pakistanian and Indian situation is one that is more contained to just the two states. The rivelry and conflict is primarily between them and no one else. In a sense, it is rather isolated and one sides development of new weapons does not prompt other countries to develop new weapons themselves because they are not involved in the Indian/Pakistan conflict. Pakistan also has its nuclear forces dispersed across the country. They are dispersed in such a way that Pakistan cannot immediately respond with nuclear weapons in a conflict, but nor can its nuclear capability be completely destroyed in a first strike by India. Certainly if Iran were to follow such a Pakistani model it would reduce tensions with Israel and its neighbors, but there is no sign that would be the case.

With Iran, there are many countries involved. Much of the worlds resources in oil and natural gas are at risk. Those risk and pressures are not present in the Indian/Pakistan conflict.

With North Korea you may have an example that could fit with Iran. I would say the differences are that North Korea is more reserved in its international actions than Iran is. Iran has been actively supporting terrorism for years and has been involved in a major war in the last 30 years. North Korea, with the exception of certain border actions has not been to war since 1953. Another factor is that North Korean development of its nuclear power and weapons has been rather embarrassing for the country. The results of their tests have been weak. Their ballistic missile program has been littered with failures. I still have yet to see confirmed evidence that they have put a nuclear warhead on a missile and have set up where they could launch on any given warning.

I also don't see North Korea having an adversary in the way Iran considers Israel to be an adversary. The Nuclear powers involved in the region are either far away like the United States or semi-allies like Russia and China. The countries that North Korea has both the capability and the possible motive to target with nuclear weapons like South Korea and Japan are not armed with nuclear weapons. Also in the case of South Korea, it is bordering state which makes the use of nuclear weapons against it a complicated factor given that ground burst could cause fallout that could drift back over into North Korea and air burst could impact North Korea because of the EMP effect. Israel and Iran are far enough from one another that they would not be immediately impacted by their own nuclear weapons detonating in the other country.

But North Korea is something to think about, and one could say that we have so far dodged a bullet, or that the situation has yet to fully materialize into the destabilizing threat it could be. Pakistan and India is a unique and isolated situation and Pakistan has already taken steps to prevent the use them or lose them senerio.

The United States is trying to reduce its number of nuclear weapons while at the same time preventing new countries from starting nuclear weapons programs. The world is safer when the number of nuclear weapons powers is limited and when those nuclear weapons states have low numbers of weapons and multiple built in safe guards to prevent accidents and other types of dangerous incidents.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So you want to go to war, GlitterJerk? And you really think that a bombing campaign is going to move them back to the stone age in weapons development? You, if you had your way, to reduce the rest of far right extremist dictatorship if you could.

We will give you to the Iranians as a war criminal first.

We are not going to have to bomb them, GillterJerk, as you will learn to stop them.

Dumbfuck, we have been using non-lethal methods for years with Iran and they keep moving to their grand prize of nukes.

Eventually they will get nukes unless someone drops bombs on their facilities and people running those facilities, you stupid pile of shit.

They could care less if their slaves of society suffer from sanctions, they are a religious dictatorship and dictators only care about themselves. You are too stupid to understand this concept.

Yup, GittlerBoy continues to lie.

The typical guy here who believes Iran has to be stopped without going to war as only the last final choice.
(1) is a vet with experience
(2) is a Christian or Jew
(3) is a Christain or Jew
(4) pays his full share of taxes
(5) believes all should pay their fair share.

GlitterBoy, go back to serving your male customers.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Ok dumbfuck...thanks for showing you don't care if Iran gets nukes.

If they get nukes before Romney can stop them, then hopefully you get blown up in the blast.

Oh, explain how the US military would be war criminals for preventing a terrorist state from getting nukes. I'd love to see you left-wing scum try to pull that off in the kangaroo court in Europe.

So in your fucked up head, the western world doesn't have the legal right to protect Israel and others from nuclear blackmail or destruction?

Only a scumbag like you would believe the chimp of Iran would have a legal case against the US and Israel for taking out their program to build nuclear weapons.

So you want to go to war, GlitterJerk? And you really think that a bombing campaign is going to move them back to the stone age in weapons development? You, if you had your way, to reduce the rest of far right extremist dictatorship if you could.

We will give you to the Iranians as a war criminal first.

We are not going to have to bomb them, GillterJerk, as you will learn to stop them.

 

[Katzndogz]

When Iran wins after the American surrender, all Christians and Jews will be war criminals as will atheists, secularists, buddhists and anyone else who won't covert. So there's nothing to worry about who is going to turn who over as war criminals.

And gays will be hanged from lamp posts. We gotta LOT of lamp posts.

 

[Navy1960]

Let's forget for a moment that our nation has been engaged in two wars for over 10 years. Here is something to ponder for all those willing to jump into another war and not willing to help support it.

The Strategic Defence Review should take account of the current low readiness levels of the Armed Forces and the need for their effective recuperation, says the Defence Select Committee in its Report, published today, entitled “Readiness and recuperation of the Armed Forces: looking towards the Strategic Defence Review”.

Strategic Review Must Address Low Military Readiness Levels | Defense & Security News at DefenceTalk

In short after 10 years of War getting into another one would not get the desired result, especially when you are up against someone who has the backing of two client nations like Russia and China, and is a much more sophisticated enemy than the tribes in Afghanistan or Iraqs depleted Military. To engage in a war with Iran without the full backing of the nation and I'm talking about yes a Draft, taxes to pay for it, industry to suppport it, your inviting a result that might not sit well with the American public. So I would suggest those that are advocating this sort of thing , think long and hard about this so called war talk.

 

[GoneBezerk]

These scumbags are clueless about those facts.

Iran with nukes doesn't even have to use them to damage the US. All they need to do is demand their neighbors do this or that with their oil supply or else face a nuclear attack.

Iran will also then demand Israel give up land or just be shut down by the UN or else they will nuke other countries.

Once they get nuclear weapons, things swing in their favor. It's kinda hard to bomb Iran once they have nukes since their response will be to use their nukes.

Do the police want a criminal to have a lethal arsenal or not when they finally have to go deal with him? It's a little easier to take down the criminal if he doesn't have weapons to take on the police force coming through the door.

When Iran wins after the American surrender, all Christians and Jews will be war criminals as will atheists, secularists, buddhists and anyone else who won't covert. So there's nothing to worry about who is going to turn who over as war criminals.

And gays will be hanged from lamp posts. We gotta LOT of lamp posts.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You can't even spell Defense correctly....so shut the fuck up.

So you think China and Russia will go against the world community and actually step in to defend Iran from getting bombed? First, how will they do that since I don't recall seeing their aircraft being positioned in Iran right now.

Sure China and Russia have provided Iran weapons and information to help protect their military and nuke sites, but that isn't them "stepping in" to stop Israel and/or the US from bombing Iran. Once the bombs and missiles fly, Russia and China will put on a show at the UN but that's it.

Russia and China understand 99% of the planet, including the Arab world don't support Iran getting nukes.

Let's forget for a moment that our nation has been engaged in two wars for over 10 years. Here is something to ponder for all those willing to jump into another war and not willing to help support it.

The Strategic Defence Review should take account of the current low readiness levels of the Armed Forces and the need for their effective recuperation, says the Defence Select Committee in its Report, published today, entitled “Readiness and recuperation of the Armed Forces: looking towards the Strategic Defence Review”.

Strategic Review Must Address Low Military Readiness Levels | Defense & Security News at DefenceTalk

In short after 10 years of War getting into another one would not get the desired result, especially when you are up against someone who has the backing of two client nations like Russia and China, and is a much more sophisticated enemy than the tribes in Afghanistan or Iraqs depleted Military. To engage in a war with Iran without the full backing of the nation and I'm talking about yes a Draft, taxes to pay for it, industry to suppport it, your inviting a result that might not sit well with the American public. So I would suggest those that are advocating this sort of thing , think long and hard about this so called war talk.

 

[Navy1960]

You can't even spell Defense correctly....so shut the fuck up.

Let's forget for a moment that our nation has been engaged in two wars for over 10 years. Here is something to ponder for all those willing to jump into another war and not willing to help support it.

The Strategic Defence Review should take account of the current low readiness levels of the Armed Forces and the need for their effective recuperation, says the Defence Select Committee in its Report, published today, entitled “Readiness and recuperation of the Armed Forces: looking towards the Strategic Defence Review”.

Strategic Review Must Address Low Military Readiness Levels | Defense & Security News at DefenceTalk

In short after 10 years of War getting into another one would not get the desired result, especially when you are up against someone who has the backing of two client nations like Russia and China, and is a much more sophisticated enemy than the tribes in Afghanistan or Iraqs depleted Military. To engage in a war with Iran without the full backing of the nation and I'm talking about yes a Draft, taxes to pay for it, industry to suppport it, your inviting a result that might not sit well with the American public. So I would suggest those that are advocating this sort of thing , think long and hard about this so called war talk.

Laughs, it would help though if you knew how to read, that is from an article taken from DEFENCETALK " Global DEFENSE, Aerospace, Military " had you bothered to read it you would have noticed it. The other thing, you might not bother to address any of my posts in the future as you do not have the ability it seems to engage in an adult conversation without the use of foul langauge or any reading comprehension. So when you are ready to actually debate me like an adult I will respond to your rather childlike posts again.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Yes, an idiot like you uses a British website as information on the US military.

FYI....your article link is over 2 years old and it is talking about the military of the UK, not the USA you stupid fuck.

I'm well aware of the Brits and Canucks spelling Defense wrong, since I worked with their militaries and they always jacked up our word docs with their spelling.

But go on....explain how Russia and China are going to blow up the USA if we attack Iran's nuke sites. No response means you don't know....

Oh, stop your military background bullshit fairy tales here.

You can't even spell Defense correctly....so shut the fuck up.

Let's forget for a moment that our nation has been engaged in two wars for over 10 years. Here is something to ponder for all those willing to jump into another war and not willing to help support it.

The Strategic Defence Review should take account of the current low readiness levels of the Armed Forces and the need for their effective recuperation, says the Defence Select Committee in its Report, published today, entitled “Readiness and recuperation of the Armed Forces: looking towards the Strategic Defence Review”.

Strategic Review Must Address Low Military Readiness Levels | Defense & Security News at DefenceTalk

In short after 10 years of War getting into another one would not get the desired result, especially when you are up against someone who has the backing of two client nations like Russia and China, and is a much more sophisticated enemy than the tribes in Afghanistan or Iraqs depleted Military. To engage in a war with Iran without the full backing of the nation and I'm talking about yes a Draft, taxes to pay for it, industry to suppport it, your inviting a result that might not sit well with the American public. So I would suggest those that are advocating this sort of thing , think long and hard about this so called war talk.

Laughs, it would help though if you knew how to read, that is from an article taken from DEFENCETALK " Global DEFENSE, Aerospace, Military " had you bothered to read it you would have noticed it. The other thing, you might not bother to address any of my posts in the future as you do not have the ability it seems to engage in an adult conversation without the use of foul langauge or any reading comprehension. So when you are ready to actually debate me like an adult I will respond to your rather childlike posts again.

 

[California Girl]

Yes, an idiot like you uses a British website as information on the US military.

I'm well aware of the Brits and Canucks spelling Defense wrong, since I worked with their militaries and they always jacked up our word docs with their spelling.

But go on....explain how Russia and China are going to blow up the USA if we attack Iran's nuke sites. No response means you don't know....

Oh, stop your military background bullshit fairy tales here.

You can't even spell Defense correctly....so shut the fuck up.

Laughs, it would help though if you knew how to read, that is from an article taken from DEFENCETALK " Global DEFENSE, Aerospace, Military " had you bothered to read it you would have noticed it. The other thing, you might not bother to address any of my posts in the future as you do not have the ability it seems to engage in an adult conversation without the use of foul langauge or any reading comprehension. So when you are ready to actually debate me like an adult I will respond to your rather childlike posts again.

Oh, GoneBezerk.... you're making an ass of yourself... Navy1960 is not only absolutely right, his link is a global portal.... not Brit or Canadian but global - it is an exceptionally valid, non-partisan, link.

And... he knows far more about the military than you, me or anyone else on this board... if anyone should 'shut the fuck up', it ain't Navy1960, sweetie... it's you. You're gonna lose this one... and it will not be pretty. He's smarter than you could ever dream of being.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, GoneSlacker, thanks for wanting to go to war when we don't have to. Only a slacker like you think the only way is war, particularly when it is unnecessary.

You will not get blown up in the blast because they won't have to.

You are a war criminal for promoting war that is unnecessary because we can prevent it, and I will come for a front-row seat in front of the gallows where you will entertain us with the dead man's jig.

Ok dumbfuck...thanks for showing you don't care if Iran gets nukes.

If they get nukes before Romney can stop them, then hopefully you get blown up in the blast.

Oh, explain how the US military would be war criminals for preventing a terrorist state from getting nukes. I'd love to see you left-wing scum try to pull that off in the kangaroo court in Europe.

So in your fucked up head, the western world doesn't have the legal right to protect Israel and others from nuclear blackmail or destruction?

Only a scumbag like you would believe the chimp of Iran would have a legal case against the US and Israel for taking out their program to build nuclear weapons.

So you want to go to war, GlitterJerk? And you really think that a bombing campaign is going to move them back to the stone age in weapons development? You, if you had your way, to reduce the rest of far right extremist dictatorship if you could.

We will give you to the Iranians as a war criminal first.

We are not going to have to bomb them, GillterJerk, as you will learn to stop them.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Oh look, his internet love fling runs to defend him.

Defence is used by the Canadians and British, dumbfuck.....not the US. Oh, his article you are defending is 2 years old and it's about (drumroll) the British military. Um, we're talking about the US military in 2012....2013.....follow along, moron.

Is the US military stretched thin from war, uh yeah. Does that mean the US won't do anything if Russia or China make a major move in their part of the world right now? I don't recall seeing us retreat from PACOM, CENTCOM and EUCOM...please tell, groupie. Do you know what those acronyms mean....I doubt it.

As for your wannabe boyfriend knowing more than me on this subject, that is laughable given I actually worked this subject in the military. I doubt your wannabe boyfriend had a clearance above Secret....years ago.

So shut the fuck up and take your love affair to some other board.

Yes, an idiot like you uses a British website as information on the US military.

I'm well aware of the Brits and Canucks spelling Defense wrong, since I worked with their militaries and they always jacked up our word docs with their spelling.

But go on....explain how Russia and China are going to blow up the USA if we attack Iran's nuke sites. No response means you don't know....

Oh, stop your military background bullshit fairy tales here.

Laughs, it would help though if you knew how to read, that is from an article taken from DEFENCETALK " Global DEFENSE, Aerospace, Military " had you bothered to read it you would have noticed it. The other thing, you might not bother to address any of my posts in the future as you do not have the ability it seems to engage in an adult conversation without the use of foul langauge or any reading comprehension. So when you are ready to actually debate me like an adult I will respond to your rather childlike posts again.

Oh, GoneBezerk.... you're making an ass of yourself... Navy1960 is not only absolutely right, his link is a global portal.... not Brit or Canadian but global - it is an exceptionally valid, non-partisan, link.

And... he knows far more about the military than you, me or anyone else on this board... if anyone should 'shut the fuck up', it ain't Navy1960, sweetie... it's you. You're gonna lose this one... and it will not be pretty. He's smarter than you could ever dream of being.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're not only stupid, you're insane.

That is the last time I waste my time with you....hopefully they get you someday...

OK, GoneSlacker, thanks for wanting to go to war when we don't have to. Only a slacker like you think the only way is war, particularly when it is unnecessary.

You will not get blown up in the blast because they won't have to.

You are a war criminal for promoting war that is unnecessary because we can prevent it, and I will come for a front-row seat in front of the gallows where you will entertain us with the dead man's jig.

Ok dumbfuck...thanks for showing you don't care if Iran gets nukes.

If they get nukes before Romney can stop them, then hopefully you get blown up in the blast.

Oh, explain how the US military would be war criminals for preventing a terrorist state from getting nukes. I'd love to see you left-wing scum try to pull that off in the kangaroo court in Europe.

So in your fucked up head, the western world doesn't have the legal right to protect Israel and others from nuclear blackmail or destruction?

Only a scumbag like you would believe the chimp of Iran would have a legal case against the US and Israel for taking out their program to build nuclear weapons.

So you want to go to war, GlitterJerk? And you really think that a bombing campaign is going to move them back to the stone age in weapons development? You, if you had your way, to reduce the rest of far right extremist dictatorship if you could.

We will give you to the Iranians as a war criminal first.

We are not going to have to bomb them, GillterJerk, as you will learn to stop them.

 

[Mac1958]

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Rambo is flailing.

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[GoneBezerk]

So the lame ass arguments against stopping Iran from getting nukes are:

1) Russia and/or China will fight us over an attack on Iran...odds of this are 0%.
2) Iran won't do anything bad with nukes like use them or blackmail us with them...odds of this are 0%.
3) It is more expensive for the US to take action today than to take action against a nuclear Iran later...insane.