War On Women Big Fail

[Disir]

Part of the war on women, a big part, is the constant assault on women's reproduction rights, while legislatures do little to force men into paying there fair share when the women produces a child instead of obtaining an abortion. Republicans want to pressure the women into having the child not only don't want to pay for the child when it is born, they continue to protect the fathers from having to be more responsible. They don't want to pay for abortions, but they are willing to subsidize the fathers.

Not at all. Deadbeat Dads are contemptible. I don't know of anyone who's trying to protect them.

Ya, a lot of men think like you. That's why tax payers have to pay for the kids of irresponsible fathers. And very few would agree that contributing to the cost of raising a child is indentured servitude. Most fathers in this country who pay child support pay a pitiful small amount. The medicaid and food stamp rolls are loaded with kids whose fathers pay only a fraction of what it cost to maintain them in shelter, health care, food and clothing. If fathers were made to pay the actual cost of those things the welfare rolls would be reduced by huge numbers.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, raising a child IS terrifically expensive. I know, I've raised two. In addition, any man who walks, runs, or slithers away from a child that he helped create is at best a contemptible human being. I champion efforts to make men assume their responsibilities in regard to their children. That being said, I believe that both the man AND the woman should lose their reproductive freedom if their sexual activity results in a pregnancy. At that point, there is a third human in the equation whose right to life should be accounted for.

The problem is, however, that as the law stands today, a man not only loses his reproductive freedom, but the woman can legally deny him fatherhood or legally force him to pay for the child's support until he/she reaches independence. That's not right.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Not at all. Deadbeat Dads are contemptible. I don't know of anyone who's trying to protect them.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, raising a child IS terrifically expensive. I know, I've raised two. In addition, any man who walks, runs, or slithers away from a child that he helped create is at best a contemptible human being. I champion efforts to make men assume their responsibilities in regard to their children. That being said, I believe that both the man AND the woman should lose their reproductive freedom if their sexual activity results in a pregnancy. At that point, there is a third human in the equation whose right to life should be accounted for.

The problem is, however, that as the law stands today, a man not only loses his reproductive freedom, but the woman can legally deny him fatherhood or legally force him to pay for the child's support until he/she reaches independence. That's not right.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

 

[jknowgood]

If you really want to be for woman's rights. Make it so they can buy birth control over the counter. Then they don't need to go to the doctor to get it. Total freedom.

The morning after pill already can be. One problem with the pill, hormone based, being available over the counter, is the possibility of ill effects to some women.

By liberals, it's their choice. Take the doctor out of it.

 

[Disir]

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

What do you have on them?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

What do you have on them?

what?

 

[Disir]

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

What do you have on them?

what?

Well, I need something to work with.

Do I believe that in 83% of the cases the woman was (or is) the best parent? Probably not. That said, I think I'm going to need something to work with. So, what do you got on 'em?

 

[Plasmaball]

Here that men. Better get a signed contract before having sex with a woman.

I do believe that more needs to be done to give men other birth control options besides a condom.

Women have much more freedom when it comes to birth control than men. Men have 2, condom or vasectomy.

When a woman is pregnant, the man who got her pregnant totally loses his reproductive freedom. Is that not clear?

And? He doesn't. But, and?

Oh, he absolutely does. At that point, the woman can either deny him fatherhood or force him into servitude for the next 18 years, and there is nothing he can do about it.

That is because he defaulted on his rights when he made the decision to impregnate the female, or risk impregnating the female without making a formal agreement as to the options the female could or would take if pregnancy occurred. It is the males decision at the time of impregnating the female to enter such agreement or accept the consequences of the already established laws and customs of society.

Oh, so HE is expected to be responsible for himself and the results of his sexual actions, but she is not?

in 2017 we will also have a pill we can take.

all this talk about stopping abortion you would think people would find how to get BC into every women possible. Its really about controlling people with their morals.

 

[Camp]

in 2017 we will also have a pill we can take.

all this talk about stopping abortion you would think people would find how to get BC into every women possible. Its really about controlling people with their morals.

Been working on that controlling people with their morals for a long time. Threatened fire and brimstone, death by stoning, burning at the stake, etc. All manner of things good and bad. Nothing has worked so far.

 

[rdean]

What is the war on women in America?

The War on Women predates Obama. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Further, Obama is not up for reelection and the Republicans still don't have a plan and since they are the ones that are a part of the problem then it doesn't look good for them either.

By and large reproductive health and rights.

War on Women - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

They sure do want to.

Rick Santorum Declared Contraception 8216 Harmful to Women 8217 in 2006 - ABC News

 

[Tresha91203]

The blurb you referenced does not support your position. He said he votes FOR contraception even though he (personally) believes it is harmful to women. I look for that in a politician, the ability to see beyond his personal faith based opinions.

What is the war on women in America?

The War on Women predates Obama. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Further, Obama is not up for reelection and the Republicans still don't have a plan and since they are the ones that are a part of the problem then it doesn't look good for them either.

By and large reproductive health and rights.

War on Women - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

They sure do want to.

Rick Santorum Declared Contraception 8216 Harmful to Women 8217 in 2006 - ABC News

 

[TemplarKormac]

in 2017 we will also have a pill we can take.

all this talk about stopping abortion you would think people would find how to get BC into every women possible. Its really about controlling people with their morals.

Been working on that controlling people with their morals for a long time. Threatened fire and brimstone, death by stoning, burning at the stake, etc. All manner of things good and bad. Nothing has worked so far.

Goes well with how Democrats threaten destruction on their enemies and members for not staying in line... but whatever, you go with that. See how well that goes over. Reminds me of how the old English church outlawed those things that didn't fall in line with what they believed. They burned people on stakes and killed people for committing heresy. You don't realize the parallels between the Democratic Party and the Church of England.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lets get one thing straight, I support the use of contraception. I don't support slaughtering innocent children. You'd think they wouldn't wait for the child to start forming before they take contraceptives, by then it's too late, or, they could use contraceptives before it got that far; and they they wouldn't need to be ripped open on a surgical bed.

But hey, pain and suffering... whatever floats your boat.

 

[Misty]

Are you kreskin? How do you know what my intent is?

My point in putting up this thread is that women have been portrayed as victims by the left and that, in and of itself, says that the left believe women are pathetic and weak and need to be helped.

And I say fuck off. I am no victim.

You didn't have a point. Your intention was to throw a bunch of shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

 

[Misty]

Being a mother is the most awesome and beautiful thing in the world.

Maybe some of the women who don't want this experience could put their baby up for adoption for all the newly married gay couples.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

 

[Misty]

Google birth control and breast cancer.

What is the war on women in America?

The War on Women predates Obama. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Further, Obama is not up for reelection and the Republicans still don't have a plan and since they are the ones that are a part of the problem then it doesn't look good for them either.

By and large reproductive health and rights.

War on Women - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

Has a Republican denied any woman's right to use birth control. Please be very specific in your response.

They sure do want to.

Rick Santorum Declared Contraception 8216 Harmful to Women 8217 in 2006 - ABC News

 

[Disir]

So, you have researched adoption stats, have you?

Being a mother is the most awesome and beautiful thing in the world.

Maybe some of the women who don't want this experience could put their baby up for adoption for all the newly married gay couples.

In 2011, 32% of custodial dads received NO child support from the mother, while 25% of custodial mothers received no child support payments from the father.

The Surprising Facts about Payments of Child Support

Women are caregivers my arse.

Over 82 % of custodial parents are mothers. And I'm not saying that father's don't have a case trying to collect child support from women.

Yes more mothers are custodial parents, but a non custodial father is more likely to pay his child support, Proven fact.

The term "dead beat dad" is hateful and ignores a real problem.

Oh, and do you really think that 82% of the mother is really the best parent? I don't.

So.......you've researched the adoption issue, have you?

I'm not interested in how you feel about the best parent.

It goes back to what I said. I underlined and bolded it for you, in case you forgot.

I didn't tell you what I felt about the best parent ma'am. I asked if you believed that in 83% of the cases the woman was the best parent?

 

[Disir]

Are you kreskin? How do you know what my intent is?

My point in putting up this thread is that women have been portrayed as victims by the left and that, in and of itself, says that the left believe women are pathetic and weak and need to be helped.

And I say fuck off. I am no victim.

You didn't have a point. Your intention was to throw a bunch of shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

It's in your posts.

 

[hadit]

Part of the war on women, a big part, is the constant assault on women's reproduction rights, while legislatures do little to force men into paying there fair share when the women produces a child instead of obtaining an abortion. Republicans want to pressure the women into having the child not only don't want to pay for the child when it is born, they continue to protect the fathers from having to be more responsible. They don't want to pay for abortions, but they are willing to subsidize the fathers.

Not at all. Deadbeat Dads are contemptible. I don't know of anyone who's trying to protect them.

But they do have a pair of testes. Last time I checked, there would be no child without his sperm, thus the uterus and the egg contained within are useless. Meaning no abortion, and no reason to be outraged. There is a reason human sexual reproduction requires a male and a female, that's how we mammals were designed through evolution or what have you. Unless humans reproduce asexually, I think the man has just as much a right to decide the fate of the child, seeing as how he contributes one half of the genetic code for the child in the first place. A willing father and an unwilling mother will more than guarantee the child's fate.

Human Biology says both males and females share equal roles in reproduction. Therefore, it is easy to say that the woman shouldn't have all of the authority. Spare me the "it's her body" garbage. She chose to have unprotected sex, resulting in the subsequent abortion. So, both of them should be equal in the decision making process. But here's the fiat... if they don't wish to go through the rigors of that process, they need only not have sex (or have it with a condom) until they are fully prepared to handle the implications.

It's not rocket science.

Males have a role in the production of a zygote. They have no role in the development of the zygote into a fetus or the development of the fetus.

But they CAN for forced into indentured servitude for the next 18 years, on the whim of the woman.

Ya, a lot of men think like you. That's why tax payers have to pay for the kids of irresponsible fathers. And very few would agree that contributing to the cost of raising a child is indentured servitude. Most fathers in this country who pay child support pay a pitiful small amount. The medicaid and food stamp rolls are loaded with kids whose fathers pay only a fraction of what it cost to maintain them in shelter, health care, food and clothing. If fathers were made to pay the actual cost of those things the welfare rolls would be reduced by huge numbers.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, raising a child IS terrifically expensive. I know, I've raised two. In addition, any man who walks, runs, or slithers away from a child that he helped create is at best a contemptible human being. I champion efforts to make men assume their responsibilities in regard to their children. That being said, I believe that both the man AND the woman should lose their reproductive freedom if their sexual activity results in a pregnancy. At that point, there is a third human in the equation whose right to life should be accounted for.

The problem is, however, that as the law stands today, a man not only loses his reproductive freedom, but the woman can legally deny him fatherhood or legally force him to pay for the child's support until he/she reaches independence. That's not right.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

This is the responsibility factor involved.

Then don't claim you support full reproductive freedom for all, because you basically don't. You support freedom for the woman to either deny a man fatherhood or force it on him. I maintain that BOTH should lose that "freedom" once pregnancy occurs. That's fair and equitable.

 

[Disir]

Part of the war on women, a big part, is the constant assault on women's reproduction rights, while legislatures do little to force men into paying there fair share when the women produces a child instead of obtaining an abortion. Republicans want to pressure the women into having the child not only don't want to pay for the child when it is born, they continue to protect the fathers from having to be more responsible. They don't want to pay for abortions, but they are willing to subsidize the fathers.

Not at all. Deadbeat Dads are contemptible. I don't know of anyone who's trying to protect them.

Males have a role in the production of a zygote. They have no role in the development of the zygote into a fetus or the development of the fetus.

But they CAN for forced into indentured servitude for the next 18 years, on the whim of the woman.

Ya, a lot of men think like you. That's why tax payers have to pay for the kids of irresponsible fathers. And very few would agree that contributing to the cost of raising a child is indentured servitude. Most fathers in this country who pay child support pay a pitiful small amount. The medicaid and food stamp rolls are loaded with kids whose fathers pay only a fraction of what it cost to maintain them in shelter, health care, food and clothing. If fathers were made to pay the actual cost of those things the welfare rolls would be reduced by huge numbers.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, raising a child IS terrifically expensive. I know, I've raised two. In addition, any man who walks, runs, or slithers away from a child that he helped create is at best a contemptible human being. I champion efforts to make men assume their responsibilities in regard to their children. That being said, I believe that both the man AND the woman should lose their reproductive freedom if their sexual activity results in a pregnancy. At that point, there is a third human in the equation whose right to life should be accounted for.

The problem is, however, that as the law stands today, a man not only loses his reproductive freedom, but the woman can legally deny him fatherhood or legally force him to pay for the child's support until he/she reaches independence. That's not right.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

This is the responsibility factor involved.

Then don't claim you support full reproductive freedom for all, because you basically don't. You support freedom for the woman to either deny a man fatherhood or force it on him. I maintain that BOTH should lose that "freedom" once pregnancy occurs. That's fair and equitable.

Cut the bullshit.

When men become the custodial parent 82.2% of the time then it would make sense. As it stands, you don't.

 

[jknowgood]

Part of the war on women, a big part, is the constant assault on women's reproduction rights, while legislatures do little to force men into paying there fair share when the women produces a child instead of obtaining an abortion. Republicans want to pressure the women into having the child not only don't want to pay for the child when it is born, they continue to protect the fathers from having to be more responsible. They don't want to pay for abortions, but they are willing to subsidize the fathers.

Not at all. Deadbeat Dads are contemptible. I don't know of anyone who's trying to protect them.

But they CAN for forced into indentured servitude for the next 18 years, on the whim of the woman.

Ya, a lot of men think like you. That's why tax payers have to pay for the kids of irresponsible fathers. And very few would agree that contributing to the cost of raising a child is indentured servitude. Most fathers in this country who pay child support pay a pitiful small amount. The medicaid and food stamp rolls are loaded with kids whose fathers pay only a fraction of what it cost to maintain them in shelter, health care, food and clothing. If fathers were made to pay the actual cost of those things the welfare rolls would be reduced by huge numbers.

Therein lies the rub. Yes, raising a child IS terrifically expensive. I know, I've raised two. In addition, any man who walks, runs, or slithers away from a child that he helped create is at best a contemptible human being. I champion efforts to make men assume their responsibilities in regard to their children. That being said, I believe that both the man AND the woman should lose their reproductive freedom if their sexual activity results in a pregnancy. At that point, there is a third human in the equation whose right to life should be accounted for.

The problem is, however, that as the law stands today, a man not only loses his reproductive freedom, but the woman can legally deny him fatherhood or legally force him to pay for the child's support until he/she reaches independence. That's not right.

The problem is that they do slither away.

Most women (because some are really not worth a damn) are the caregivers for kids. And there are many women that don't even try to get them to pay child support. And men are not prevented from seeing their children if they don't pay child support.
And it is women that will not be able to go out when they want or where they want or do what they want because they will be the primary care givers. So, it is the woman that has to make the choice. But, you know this.

This is the responsibility factor involved.

Then don't claim you support full reproductive freedom for all, because you basically don't. You support freedom for the woman to either deny a man fatherhood or force it on him. I maintain that BOTH should lose that "freedom" once pregnancy occurs. That's fair and equitable.

Cut the bullshit.

When men become the custodial parent 82.2% of the time then it would make sense. As it stands, you don't.

I raised my son by myself, without child support.