Walter Cronkite's Ridiculous Spin on the 1968 Tet Offensive in South Vietnam

[Soupnazi630]

The bombing campaigns of the Vietnam War were the longest and heaviest aerial bombardment in history. The United States Air Force, the U. S. Navy, and U. S. Marine Corps aviation dropped 7,662,000 tons of explosives. By comparison, U. S. forces dropped a total of 2,150,000 tons of bombs in all theaters of World War II.

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Agent Orange was a powerful herbicide used by U.S. military forces during the Vietnam War to eliminate forest cover and crops for North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troops. The U.S. program, codenamed Operation Ranch Hand, sprayed more than 20 million gallons of various herbicides over Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos from 1961 to 1971. Agent Orange, which contained the deadly chemical dioxin, was the most commonly used herbicide. It was later proven to cause serious health issues—including cancer, birth defects, rashes and severe psychological and neurological problems—among the Vietnamese people as well as among returning U.S. servicemen and their families.

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Yes and that aerial mabbardment was spread out over a decade. Most of it was aimed at mobile tragets which moved before they were attacked. The result is most of the bombs hit empty jungle and harmed no one

I know what Agent orange was. It was a herbicide used for decades in the US as a chemical weed killer.

No empirical evidence exists that it caused the harm which people attributed to it. In some cases of long term intense exposure the people exposed ( such as the ranch hand crews ) show a higher rate of a few forms of cancer but that is all.

The chemical dioxing was found in Agent Orange in TRACE amounts. One part per a billion parts. in other words not enough to cause dioxin poisoning.

You are quite wrong it has NEVER been proven to cause birth defects or severe problems. There is some association but no evidence of cause and effect

 

[Soupnazi630]

it would have been the bay of pigs with interest, and just how would they have been crushed? because it could have brought China into the war just like it did when your Imperial arrogance went too far in Korea.

No it would not have they would have lost. For one thing there likely would have been nop beach landing

Korea was the UN defending against communist aggression. The north were the imperialists BOY

 

[Soupnazi630]

How? you couldn't defeat them in the South or by carpet bombing the North, it just makes people resist more.

There was no carpet bombing DUMBASS

 

[Deadstick]

There was no carpet bombing DUMBASS

LOL!! you are one stupid SOB, there were more bombs dropped on Vietnam Cambodia and Laos than were dropped in WW2 by all sides, now sit down you arsehole.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes and that aerial mabbardment was spread out over a decade. Most of it was aimed at mobile tragets which moved before they were attacked. The result is most of the bombs hit empty jungle and harmed no one

I know what Agent orange was. It was a herbicide used for decades in the US as a chemical weed killer.

No empirical evidence exists that it caused the harm which people attributed to it. In some cases of long term intense exposure the people exposed ( such as the ranch hand crews ) show a higher rate of a few forms of cancer but that is all.

The chemical dioxing was found in Agent Orange in TRACE amounts. One part per a billion parts. in other words not enough to cause dioxin poisoning.

You are quite wrong it has NEVER been proven to cause birth defects or severe problems. There is some association but no evidence of cause and effect

You are beyond moronic, next you will tell us there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz.

 

[Soupnazi630]

LOL!! you are one stupid SOB, there were more bombs dropped on Vietnam Cambodia and Laos than were dropped in WW2 by all sides, now sit down you arsehole.

wrong.

That is a proven myth so shut up and learn boy

 

[Soupnazi630]

You are beyond moronic, next you will tell us there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz.

I am better than you boy and proving it

 

[AZrailwhale]

The War in Vietnam was an expensive, losing war against a tough, resourceful enemy in which the rewards of victory and the penalties of defeat were imperceptible. We out spent and outnumbered the Communists. They out fought us because they had the support of the vast majority of the Vietnamese people, and we did not. Don't argue with me about that. Argue with President Eisenhower.

The matter of popularity is relevant; it is the main point.

The Vietnamese people (those of the DPRVN at least) had no choice but to support the war. In reality, their support, or lack thereof, was unimportant as long as the party leaders decided to continue the war. The people of North Vietnam had zero voice in their government. The Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam was a communist tyranny where the people did what they were told or died.

 

[AZrailwhale]

it would have been the bay of pigs with interest, and just how would they have been crushed? because it could have brought China into the war just like it did when your Imperial arrogance went too far in Korea.

The US didn't need to invade across any beaches, it had a wide-open border stretching hundreds of miles and could have walked and driven troops across it just like the NVA did. With the firepower superiority the US had, the NVA could have done nothing to stop an invasion, at best they could have slowed it down. Massive Arclight strikes by B-52s would have devastated any defenses the North Vietnamese tried to build and Marine, Navy and Air Force tacair plus army helicopters would have destroyed any forces in near to close contact with the invading forces.

 

[Deadstick]

The US didn't need to invade across any beaches, it had a wide-open border stretching hundreds of miles and could have walked and driven troops across it just like the NVA did. With the firepower superiority the US had, the NVA could have done nothing to stop an invasion, at best they could have slowed it down. Massive Arclight strikes by B-52s would have devastated any defenses the North Vietnamese tried to build and Marine, Navy and Air Force tacair plus army helicopters would have destroyed any forces in near to close contact with the invading forces.

Would have could have but didn't.

 

[Hector12]

The Vietnamese people (those of the DPRVN at least) had no choice but to support the war. In reality, their support, or lack thereof, was unimportant as long as the party leaders decided to continue the war. The people of North Vietnam had zero voice in their government. The Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam was a communist tyranny where the people did what they were told or died.

The North Vietnamese government was a dictatorship. The North Vietnamese had to obey it. They did not have to obey it enthusiastically. They did. That is why they won.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Would have could have but didn't.

Because LBJ had no intention of winning the war according to McNamara.

 

[Deadstick]

Because LBJ had no intention of winning the war according to McNamara.

Some of you didn't learn a damn thing, if you studied the Vietnamese history to invaders it could never be won, why the hell was the US there anyway, and don't give me the usual bollocks about fighting Communism.

 

[gipper]

Some of you didn't learn a damn thing, if you studied the Vietnamese history to invaders it could never be won, why the hell was the US there anyway, and don't give me the usual bollocks about fighting Communism.

The US was there because it’s MIC and big corporations needed bigger profits paid for by tax payers. It’s been this way in all our wars, going back many decades.

 

[Deadstick]

The US was there because it’s MIC and big corporations needed bigger profits paid for by tax payers. It’s been this way in all our wars, going back many decades.

I know, Smedley Butler said all we need to know.

 

[gipper]

I know Smedley Butler said all we need to know.

Yes, but few Americans know of him.

 

[Mushroom]

How? you couldn't defeat them in the South or by carpet bombing the North, it just makes people resist more.

Actually, they were defeated. That is why North Vietnam sued for peace in 1973. And in the Paris Peace Accords swore that they would never again invade South Vietnam.

 

[Mushroom]

The Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam was a communist tyranny where the people did what they were told or died.

Oh, so kinda like Cuba and North Korea. And the old Soviet Union. Which in itself is not unlike the modern Russia.

 

[Mushroom]

I know, Smedley Butler said all we need to know.

If you knew anything about Smedley Butler, You would know how he is thought of among the Marines.

He was a real hero, who was also a highly political animal. And spent several years on sabbatical from the Corps trying to secure political jobs. And when passed over as Commandant, became rather bitter against the Marines and the government.

For example, are you aware that his father and both grandfathers were members of Congress? And they were the ones that got him a direct commission when he was 17? Getting out after the Spanish-American War, then turning right around and returning 2 months later with a promotion? And his career for the next three decades alternated between service in the Corps, and political appointments that he primarily got from his father? Or that even an prohibitionist, he had multiple incidents in the Corps for being drunk?

Or that almost as soon as he retired, he started holding political rallies, and ran for the Senate and was trounced?

One can not talk seriously about his speeches and writings unless they also look at the man himself. Such as his membership in the Communist Party run organization "American League Against War and Fascism". Which interestingly dissolved following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. And his almost nonsensical claim that if he supported the "Coup", he would be given control of the American Legion. Even though he had an almost fanatical hatred of the American Legion.

And after the "Plot", he completely vanished from the public eye. With his wife and daughter keeping the public away from him.

 

[Deadstick]

If you knew anything about Smedley Butler, You would know how he is thought of among the Marines.

He was a real hero, who was also a highly political animal. And spent several years on sabbatical from the Corps trying to secure political jobs. And when passed over as Commandant, became rather bitter against the Marines and the government.

For example, are you aware that his father and both grandfathers were members of Congress? And they were the ones that got him a direct commission when he was 17? Getting out after the Spanish-American War, then turning right around and returning 2 months later with a promotion? And his career for the next three decades alternated between service in the Corps, and political appointments that he primarily got from his father? Or that even an prohibitionist, he had multiple incidents in the Corps for being drunk?

Or that almost as soon as he retired, he started holding political rallies, and ran for the Senate and was trounced?

One can not talk seriously about his speeches and writings unless they also look at the man himself. Such as his membership in the Communist Party run organization "American League Against War and Fascism". Which interestingly dissolved following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. And his almost nonsensical claim that if he supported the "Coup", he would be given control of the American Legion. Even though he had an almost fanatical hatred of the American Legion.

And after the "Plot", he completely vanished from the public eye. With his wife and daughter keeping the public away from him.

Doesn't change the fact he was right on the American Empire, he should know he was part of it.