Virginia votes to abolish Death Penalty

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What is the Saudi recidivism rate for murder?
Based upon this chart, it looks like the Saudi system works far better than ours to reduce crime.

STAT	Saudi Arabia	United States	HISTORY
Burglaries	0.1 Ranked 5th.	714.4 Ranked 9th. 7144 times more than Saudi Arabia
Crime levels	23.41 Ranked 79th.	55.84 Ranked 30th. 2 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Annual cannabis use	0.3% Ranked 21st.	13.7% Ranked 1st. 46 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Opiates use	0.01% Ranked 14th.	0.57% Ranked 3rd. 57 times more than Saudi Arabia
Justice system > Punishment > Capital punishment (last execution year)	2,014 Ranked 1st. The same as United States	2,014 Ranked 1st.
Murder rate	0.9	5
Robberies	2.9 Ranked 10th.	146.4 Ranked 10th. 50 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes	84,599 Ranked 48th.	11.88 million Ranked 1st. 140 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes per 1000	3.88 Ranked 71st.	41.29 Ranked 22nd. 11 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents	35 Ranked 6th.	88.8 Ranked 1st. 3 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate	1.04 Ranked 86th.	4.7 Ranked 7th. 5 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia

Yes, killing criminal reduces recidivism. That's not really a brilliant point.

 

[theHawk]

Get your pathetic strawman out of here.

No strawman, it’s the truth.

Dems are always pushing for lighter sentences. Always claim enforcing the law is “racist”.

And they love jailing their political enemies on imagined crimes.

 

[rightwinger]

What is the Saudi recidivism rate for murder?
Based upon this chart, it looks like the Saudi system works far better than ours to reduce crime.

STAT	Saudi Arabia	United States	HISTORY
Burglaries	0.1 Ranked 5th.	714.4 Ranked 9th. 7144 times more than Saudi Arabia
Crime levels	23.41 Ranked 79th.	55.84 Ranked 30th. 2 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Annual cannabis use	0.3% Ranked 21st.	13.7% Ranked 1st. 46 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Opiates use	0.01% Ranked 14th.	0.57% Ranked 3rd. 57 times more than Saudi Arabia
Justice system > Punishment > Capital punishment (last execution year)	2,014 Ranked 1st. The same as United States	2,014 Ranked 1st.
Murder rate	0.9	5
Robberies	2.9 Ranked 10th.	146.4 Ranked 10th. 50 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes	84,599 Ranked 48th.	11.88 million Ranked 1st. 140 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes per 1000	3.88 Ranked 71st.	41.29 Ranked 22nd. 11 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents	35 Ranked 6th.	88.8 Ranked 1st. 3 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate	1.04 Ranked 86th.	4.7 Ranked 7th. 5 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia

Sure beheadings work wonders
So do Bone Saws

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No strawman, it’s the truth.

Dems are always pushing for lighter sentences. Always claim enforcing the law is “racist”.

And they love jailing their political enemies on imagined crimes.

The aren't trying to release murderers. Just shut up already.

 

[Flopper]

One by one we are slowly working to abolish the Death Penalty nationwide. Only the Bible Belt and a few Red States are holding out.

Virginia lawmakers vote to abolish the death penalty

State lawmakers gave final approval Monday to legislation that will end capital punishment in Virginia, a dramatic turnaround for a state that has executed more people in its long history than any other.

Last year there were 11 elocutions in the US, down from 80 in 2000. There were 20 sentences of death down from 315 in 1996. The cases have just become to expensive and the likelihood of conviction is too low. The last figures I saw was 1.26 million dollars from investigation to execution. The cost of life imprisonment is less than half of that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Last year there were 11 elocutions in the US, down from 80 in 2000. There were 20 sentences of death down from 315 in 1996. The cases have just become to expensive and the likelihood of conviction is too low. The last figures I saw was 1.26 million dollars from investigation to execution. The cost of life imprisonment is less than half of that.

I just read last night it costs > $500,000 to house one inmate at Riker's Island for one year.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I answered yes. That's three times now.

and yet refuse to answer my question

Setlle down, you're rabid.

You usually end your tirades with ^this/that^...you decide to try and get out in front of the maddening frustration this time?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

and yet refuse to answer my question

The answer was yes.

That's 4 times now.

Seriously, put down the Crack pipe, son. You're acting like a deranged toddler.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The answer was yes.

To the question you posed, not mine

That's 4 times now.

yes, it is now 4-0 in terms of your answer(s), as you can see the number of times you answer a different question than the one asked matters little if anything at all.

Seriously, put down the Crack pipe, son. You're acting like a deranged toddler.

Wouldn't it be easier to just answer the question than go down ^this/that^ road

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

To the question you posed, not mine

Yes, I directly answered yes to your question. 5th time. Let's review:

Q: "Is painless execution cruel"

A: "yes"

For fuck's sake, make whatever point you were going to make before we all grow long, white beards.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yes, I directly answered yes to your question. 5th time. Let's review:

Q: "Is painless execution cruel"

A: "yes"

Now that's how ya do that!

For fuck's sake,

At least ya didn't go flying off the handle like me

make whatever point you were going to make before we all grow long, white beards.

I already made that point...'when it comes to "cuel and unusual" punishment you enter into an arena where defining it, opinions and semantics make it a long and drawn out process'

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

At least ya didn't go flying off the handle like me

I didn't. I gave you the patience reserved for toddlers. But even that has a limit.

when it comes to "cuel and unusual" punishment you enter into an arena where defining it, opinions and semantics make it a long and drawn out process'

That's what we are attempting to discuss. The topic at hand isn't "a point". We make points about the topic.

We also need to discuss how much cruelty we will bear. Some people believe human sacrifice is unseemly, for a modern, liberal society. I can see that side, too.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I didn't. I gave you the patience reserved for toddlers. But even that has a limit.

That's what we are attempting to discuss. The topic at hand isn't "a point". We make points about the topic.

We also need to discuss how much cruelty we will bear. Some people believe human sacrifice is unseemly, for a modern, liberal society. I can see that side, too.

LUNCH!

 

[DGS49]

While the DP is irrelevant - so rare that it is a joke - the important thing is that VA appears to be killing it (play on words fully intended) by "democratic" means, rather than having some jag-off Democrat Governor simply declaring that he won't use it anymore. THAT is bullshit.

As a Conservative, I oppose the DP because it wastes money. Lock the fukker up and throw away the key.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LUNCH!

While the DP is irrelevant - so rare that it is a joke - the important thing is that VA appears to be killing it (play on words fully intended) by "democratic" means, rather than having some jag-off Democrat Governor simply declaring that he won't use it anymore. THAT is bullshit.

As a Conservative, I oppose the DP because it wastes money. Lock the fukker up and throw away the key.

What is the number of human sacrifices that would make it worth talking about?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What is the number of human sacrifices that would make it worth talking about?

I don't know that there is a number...whenever I show up in one of RW's threads/posts he throws me a human sacrifice and disappears, but we never talk about it.

 

[San Souci]

One by one we are slowly working to abolish the Death Penalty nationwide. Only the Bible Belt and a few Red States are holding out.

Virginia lawmakers vote to abolish the death penalty

State lawmakers gave final approval Monday to legislation that will end capital punishment in Virginia, a dramatic turnaround for a state that has executed more people in its long history than any other.

So McVeigh should have lived? Fuck you bleedin' hearts. Murderers deserve the needle. But it should be public. I would prefer throwing 'em to the Lions.

 

[rightwinger]

So McVeigh should have lived? Fuck you bleedin' hearts. Murderers deserve the needle. But it should be public. I would prefer throwing 'em to the Lions.

Max Security Prison for life

 

[theHawk]

The aren't trying to release murderers. Just shut up already.

They always fight for reduced sentences for the worst.

Arizona governor won't proceed with execution set by court

Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs says corrections officials won't carry out an execution even though the state Supreme Court scheduled it over the objections of the state’s new attorney general.

apnews.com

 

[rightwinger]

They always fight for reduced sentences for the worst.

Arizona governor won't proceed with execution set by court

Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs says corrections officials won't carry out an execution even though the state Supreme Court scheduled it over the objections of the state’s new attorney general.

apnews.com

Just wait till Biden leaves office

He will commute the Sentences of all Federal Death Row Prisoners

We can’t risk another Trump