Virginia votes to abolish Death Penalty

[GMCGeneral]

Is a painless murder cruel?

So you would rather the murdering scumbag walk than support his victims?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you would rather the murdering scumbag walk than support his victims?

That's not the choice. What a bizarre question.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Is a painless murder cruel?

cruel? no! just wrong...and illegal if non sanctioned [which is what makes it murder and not an execution] see how easy it is to answer honestly...try my question now.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

cruel, no, just wrong [and illegal if non sanctioned] see how easy it is to answer honestly...try my question now.

Yes. Ending a person's life is cruel. Especially when you spend 15 years telling them when and how you are going to do it.

See how easy?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yes. Ending a person's life is cruel

not the question I asked, try quoting my question [as I did yours] and then answering it

. Especially when you spend 15 years telling them when and how you are going to do it.

then don't tell them.

See how easy?

Not yet

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

not the question I asked,

Of course it is an answer to the queston you asked. You asked if painless execution were cruel.

I say ending a person's life is cruel. Does a person's life not get ended, in an execution?

I even then specifically addressed execution, with my comments about the 15 year stretch.

A pretty complete and courteous answer. Easy, too.



Locking people up is also cruel. But we both accept it, for a variety of reasons.

So there is no reason to fly off the handle at my answer.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Of course it is an answer to the queston you asked.

no its not

You asked if painless execution were cruel.

that's the question I asked but you have yet to answer

I say ending a person's life is cruel.

and are silent on how you feel about it painlessly

Does a person's life not get ended, in an execution?

Yes, but who is pretending that is not the case?

I even then specifically addressed execution, with my comments about the 15 year stretch.

you made the case that it was "telling them" that was cruel, which no matter how true it is or is not has nothing to do with whether taking their life [painlessly or otherwise] is in and of itself cruel.

A pretty complete and courteous answer. Easy, too.

It was meaningless and its courtesy was its inability to rebut my post

Locking people up is also cruel. But we both accept it, for a variety of reasons.

I oppose the death penalty [and the entire judicial systems needs a serious top to bottom overhaul] but your post is/are making my point to rightwinger about it coming down to opinions and semantics

So there is no reason to fly off the handle at my answer.

 

[BackAgain]

Jesus Christ you're dumb...

List of people executed in California - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do you ever get tired of being wrong, you fucking rube???

Tired? He’s obviously in training for the gold in the rube Olympics.

 

[BlackSand]

One by one we are slowly working to abolish the Death Penalty nationwide. Only the Bible Belt and a few Red States are holding out.

Virginia lawmakers vote to abolish the death penalty

State lawmakers gave final approval Monday to legislation that will end capital punishment in Virginia, a dramatic turnaround for a state that has executed more people in its long history than any other.

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Well ... If they get rid of the Death Penalty ... Might as well make it worthwhile.
No need for isolation on Death Row ... Throw them in General Population and let them start weeding out some folks in there.

I mean if killing someone doesn't make a difference ... Then who they kill isn't really going to make a difference.
It's not like you are going to put them in jail any longer if they get sentenced to life without parole.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

that's the question I asked but you have yet to answer

I answered yes. That's three times now. Setlle down, you're rabid.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are correct. It's 20 years of court dates before someone gets executed. The guy who said he is pro-death penalty on the base of saving money, is incorrect.

Get rid of the endless appeals and executing a criminal would cost less than a thousand bucks. It should be one automatic appeal and done.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don’t care what it costs
The Death Penalty is barbaric

So is murder and that is what most death row inmates are executed for.

 

[rightwinger]

So is murder and that is what most death row inmates are executed for.

Eye for an eye Justice does not reflect well on any society

Look at the Saudis

 

[AZrailwhale]

Eye for an eye Justice does not reflect well on any society

Look at the Saudis

Executing murderers PERMANTELY removes people from society that have proven that they don't respect the lives and property of other citizens. Done properly it's far cheaper and more efficient than incarcerating them for decades until they die of old age.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Get rid of the endless appeals and executing a criminal would cost less than a thousand bucks. It should be one automatic appeal and done.

But it isn't, and for very good reason.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Executing murderers PERMANTELY removes people from society that have proven that they don't respect the lives and property of other citizens.

So does life without parole.

 

[theHawk]

Virginia's new Democratic majority, in full control of the General Assembly for a second year, pushed the repeal effort, arguing that the death penalty has been applied disproportionately to people of color, the mentally ill and the indigent.

"It is vital that our criminal justice system operates fairly and punishes people equitably. We all know the death penalty doesn’t do that. It is inequitable, ineffective, and inhumane,” Northam, House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn and Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw said in a joint statement after the votes.

The Democrats are insane. They want to let thugs and murderers off and jail their political opponents instead.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

State lawmakers gave final approval Monday to legislation that will end capital punishment in Virginia, a dramatic turnaround for a state that has executed more people in its long history than any other.

Very good.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Eye for an eye Justice does not reflect well on any society

Look at the Saudis

What is the Saudi recidivism rate for murder?
Based upon this chart, it looks like the Saudi system works far better than ours to reduce crime.

STAT	Saudi Arabia	United States	HISTORY
Burglaries	0.1 Ranked 5th.	714.4 Ranked 9th. 7144 times more than Saudi Arabia
Crime levels	23.41 Ranked 79th.	55.84 Ranked 30th. 2 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Annual cannabis use	0.3% Ranked 21st.	13.7% Ranked 1st. 46 times more than Saudi Arabia
Drugs > Opiates use	0.01% Ranked 14th.	0.57% Ranked 3rd. 57 times more than Saudi Arabia
Justice system > Punishment > Capital punishment (last execution year)	2,014 Ranked 1st. The same as United States	2,014 Ranked 1st.
Murder rate	0.9	5
Robberies	2.9 Ranked 10th.	146.4 Ranked 10th. 50 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes	84,599 Ranked 48th.	11.88 million Ranked 1st. 140 times more than Saudi Arabia
Total crimes per 1000	3.88 Ranked 71st.	41.29 Ranked 22nd. 11 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents	35 Ranked 6th.	88.8 Ranked 1st. 3 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate	1.04 Ranked 86th.	4.7 Ranked 7th. 5 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murder rate per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders	265 Ranked 59th.	12,996 Ranked 9th. 49 times more than Saudi Arabia
Violent crime > Murders per million people	10.23 Ranked 108th.	42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than Saudi Arabia

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Democrats are insane. They want to let thugs and murderers off and jail their political opponents instead.

Get your pathetic strawman out of here.