Vietnam War was unwinnable

Yup, what the above two posters said, is all true. The Viet Cong by any measure was completely obliterated by the Tet Offensive. The N.V. regular military had very few heavy armor and tanks, and we completely destroyed what they sent at us.

There was never a time, in the entire Vietnam war, where the enemy met our troops in direct combat and won. They lost, and lost decisively every single time.

Had we simply pushed into North Vietnam, the entire country would have folded like a deck of cards. They had nothing. We were absolutely slaughtering them at every encounter.

The only defeat we faced, was the defeatist of Left-wing socialists that demanded we let our allies be slaughtered.
1. so we go into the North...then how do we win?
2. yes--they were very smart/smarter/not stupid/etc:
''''' If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him'''''
.https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2014/05/23/sun-tzus-33-best-pieces-of-leadership-advice/#2e3bb60c5e5e
 
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
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One of the worse mistakes in US history the US should never have been involved in that conflict in the first place. Just another time we were conned by the Pentagon and their military contractor friends.
 
Even though the cost was high, we did win in a way. Vietnam seems to have become more capitalist over the years. They manufacture alot of the stuff sold in Walmart, and they've become a tourist attraction.

I mean, compared to North Korea.

You mean they are a source of cheap labor? How did we win anything?

I could imagine the Vietnam vet grumbling about Vietnamese stuff in walmart when he can't find a good job, just like the WWII vets grumbled about Volkwagens and Toyotas in the 1970's... while watching American Plants close.

Here's a crazy idea... let's make sure when we "Win", it's a win for the working class, not the rich.

OK then. Next time we'll just nuke them.
We dropped more bombs on them than we did in WWII
Yet we tucked tail and left in disgrace
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
 
Yup, what the above two posters said, is all true. The Viet Cong by any measure was completely obliterated by the Tet Offensive. The N.V. regular military had very few heavy armor and tanks, and we completely destroyed what they sent at us.

There was never a time, in the entire Vietnam war, where the enemy met our troops in direct combat and won. They lost, and lost decisively every single time.

Had we simply pushed into North Vietnam, the entire country would have folded like a deck of cards. They had nothing. We were absolutely slaughtering them at every encounter.

The only defeat we faced, was the defeatist of Left-wing socialists that demanded we let our allies be slaughtered.
folded like Afghanistan and Iraq did????!!!! hahahahahahhahaha
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.
what?
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

It could have cost far more than that, had they ended up like the NORKs and developed a nuke.
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

It could have cost far more than that, had they ended up like the NORKs and developed a nuke.
I messed up--it should read 50,000 WASTED American lives
 
....the war in Afghanistan is ''messy/unending/''unwinnable''' --but we did have a reason to go in there.....
--how long have we been there?? 2001 !!!!!!!

--critical point - it's not a board game
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

It could have cost far more than that, had they ended up like the NORKs and developed a nuke.
I messed up--it should read 50,000 WASTED American lives

As well as 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. But that never gets mentioned, does it?
 
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..the US was involved with Vietnam for over 7 years!!!!!
The U.S. Marines landed in Da Nang in 1845. Your idea that our involvement was 7 years is woefully short. I would say your comment is pure ignorance. One of many comments you made that shows you never learned or educated yourself on Vietnam.

It has been fun showing you to be a monkey in a cage of ignorance. I may stop by from time to time to rub your nose in .......... Bad monkey, bad, bad, bad, monkey.
In 1845 I doubt there were more than five hundred members of the US Marines in total. That's not much of an invasion force.
yet, in 1845 the Marines were in Viet-nam.
 
..and Britain was in Europe many times before 1943---what a dumbass statement by elektra
Yes, the USA's involvement in Viet-Nam was far more than 7 years. Our first involvement was well over a 100 years before Viet-Nam war. Your statement about over 7 years of involvement simply shows your ignorance on this topic. You believed our involvement was so short you could not even think you should look it up. At the very least we were up to our necks as early as 1954 through 1973? At least 19 years. Then again Truman began our assistance as early as 1947, can I say 26 years of involvement?
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

During the U.S. involvement in Vietnam, several times more Americans died from drunk drivers than were killed in the war.

Deaths tolls are an extremely overdone statistic in the U.S.
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

During the U.S. involvement in Vietnam, several times more Americans died from drunk drivers than were killed in the war.

Deaths tolls are an extremely overdone statistic in the U.S.

That is true. Statistically, our loss of 68,000 brave American soldiers compared to 1.1 million North Vietnamese troops sounds like a win to me.

During WW2, we had only 407,300 military deaths from all causes. Meanwhile Germany had somewhere between 4.4 million and 5.3 million military deaths, and Japan had between 2.1 million and 2.3 million military deaths.

With the exception of the Soviet Union which had between 8-12 million military casualties, those who have the most military and civilian deaths during any war are generally considered the "loser."

World War II casualties - Wikipedia
 
..and Britain was in Europe many times before 1943---what a dumbass statement by elektra
Yes, the USA's involvement in Viet-Nam was far more than 7 years. Our first involvement was well over a 100 years before Viet-Nam war. Your statement about over 7 years of involvement simply shows your ignorance on this topic. You believed our involvement was so short you could not even think you should look it up. At the very least we were up to our necks as early as 1954 through 1973? At least 19 years. Then again Truman began our assistance as early as 1947, can I say 26 years of involvement?
.....and we were involved in Europe in WW1 ...South America and Central America...your point in nonsensical and very funny
 
We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.
....hang on for how long? the US couldn't stay there forever....
..it would be just like Afghanistan and Iraq - no win
Hang on until the American left did what war did not do. Win the war which is exactly what happened.

Well the gooks gooks did turn into little capitalists, as opposed to being another shithole like North Korea. I've seen lots of stuff in stores that was marked "Made in Vietnam."

Looks like all that bombing did the little bastards some good, just like it did Germany and Japan.

We showed them.

:auiqs.jpg:
at the cost of over 50,000 American lives--that really showed them---and we fked ourselves--YES--now we are competing with them !!!!!

During the U.S. involvement in Vietnam, several times more Americans died from drunk drivers than were killed in the war.

Deaths tolls are an extremely overdone statistic in the U.S.
comparing DUI to the Vietnam War----very silly/ridiculous/nonsensical = worthless
 

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