Vietnam War was unwinnable

[BasicHumanUnit]

I think the Vietnam War was was mostly about enriching the US Military industrial Complex

Who was enriched by Vietnam War?

Well lessee........

Bomb makers (BIG TIME)
Bullet makers
Gun makers
Helicopter manufacturers........

You starting to get it yet?

 

[Dayton3]

I think the Vietnam War was was mostly about enriching the US Military industrial Complex

Who was enriched by Vietnam War?

Well lessee........

Bomb makers (BIG TIME)
Bullet makers
Gun makers
Helicopter manufacturers........

You starting to get it yet?

I meant specific corporations.

And in regards to "bomb makers" I'll remind you that a substantial amount of the U.S. ordnance expended in the Vietnam War was left over from World War Two.

 

[Quasar44]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

Thanks to LJ we lost 60,000 for nothing and they lost a few million

 

[rightwinger]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

Thanks to LJ we lost 60,000 for nothing and they lost a few million

All to prevent Vietnam from falling to Communism.
45 years later, we can see the dire predictions were unfounded.
Wasted lives

 

[mikegriffith1]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North launched a massive assault in 1974, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

If we had stood by South Vietnam the way we stood by South Korea, South Vietnam would be a free and democratic nation today, and the bloodbath and tyranny that occurred when South Vietnam fell to the communists never would have happened.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

 

[rightwinger]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

 

[mikegriffith1]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

Oh, boy. . . . Which government would you have rather lived under, South Vietnam's or North Vietnam's? Yeah, uh-huh. For all of its faults, South Vietnam was far better than North Vietnam.

The Soviet Union pumped billions of dollars and tons of weapons into North Vietnam. You keep leaving out that fact.

Previous experience had proved that the South Vietnamese could repeal North Vietnamese assaults if they had enough air support. If we had kept our word and provided air support in '74, the results would have been the same and South Vietnam would not have fallen.

Again, for all of your bankrupt, immoral excuses for handing over tens of millions of South Vietnamese to communist tyranny, the fact remains that if the North had been convinced that we were going to stand by South Vietnam for as long as it took, South Vietnam would be a democratic nation today.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Phew! A "civil war"! Yeah, with the Soviet Union pumping massive aid and weaponry into North Vietnam. The Korean War was, technically speaking, a "civil war," but thank goodness traitors like you didn't run our government during that war, hey?

I wish we could get you into a room with some former South Vietnamese and see their reaction when you repeated your communist lies.

For the sake of others, since you seem to be brainwashed beyond recovery, here are some great articles that debunk the standard (liberal) myths about the Vietnam War:

Justifying Betrayal of Vietnam Emerges as the Raison d'être Of Ken Burns' Film on the War

The only positive thing I can say about Ken Burns' documentary on the Vietnam War is this if it is the best the left has, we may blessedly have heard the last of them. The arguments Mr. Burns presents are weak, biased, and insulting. The documentary

www.nysun.com

20 Myths About The Vietnam War That Have Now Been Debunked

The Vietnam War left behind a legacy of myths that many still believe today – even though the stories are often far from accurate.

affluenttimes.com

 

[Desperado]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North launched a massive assault in 1974, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

If we had stood by South Vietnam the way we stood by South Korea, South Vietnam would be a free and democratic nation today, and the bloodbath and tyranny that occurred when South Vietnam fell to the communists never would have happened.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

If we went the route you suggest we would still have troops in South Vietnam today just like we have troops on South Korea.

 

[Dayton3]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Odd to call it a "civil war" when South Vietnam actually fell to a mammoth armored assault by the North Vietnamese Army that had more tanks than Nazi Germany used against France.

 

[rightwinger]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Odd to call it a "civil war" when South Vietnam actually fell to a mammoth armored assault by the North Vietnamese Army that had more tanks than Nazi Germany used against France.

It was always a Civil War

They were supposed to have a vote to determine which Government would control. When it became obvious Ho Chi Minh would win easily, the US would not allow an election.

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

 

[Dayton3]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Odd to call it a "civil war" when South Vietnam actually fell to a mammoth armored assault by the North Vietnamese Army that had more tanks than Nazi Germany used against France.

It was always a Civil War

They were supposed to have a vote to determine which Government would control. When it became obvious Ho Chi Minh would win easily, the US would not allow an election.

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

No nations (including ours) has a right to put communists into power. No one.

 

[rightwinger]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Odd to call it a "civil war" when South Vietnam actually fell to a mammoth armored assault by the North Vietnamese Army that had more tanks than Nazi Germany used against France.

It was always a Civil War

They were supposed to have a vote to determine which Government would control. When it became obvious Ho Chi Minh would win easily, the US would not allow an election.

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

No nations (including ours) has a right to put communists into power. No one.

Why were we putting anyone in power.

The Vietnamese people had enough Western interference. It killed over 2 million people.
The people should have decided

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

 

[Camp]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

Someone forgot to tell the VC in Quang Ngai they were dead. Also Quang Nam and particularly the ones who came alive in 1970 and killed a dozen Marines in 1970 at Firebase Ross.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

Someone forgot to tell the VC in Quang Ngai they were dead. Also Quang Nam and particularly the ones who came alive in 1970 and killed a dozen Marines in 1970 at Firebase Ross.

Those were all North Vietnamese regulars smuggled into South Vietnam damn read a history or two RETARD.

 

[Camp]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

Someone forgot to tell the VC in Quang Ngai they were dead. Also Quang Nam and particularly the ones who came alive in 1970 and killed a dozen Marines in 1970 at Firebase Ross.

Those were all North Vietnamese regulars smuggled into South Vietnam damn read a history or two RETARD.

No, they weren't, While VC was decimated in '68, elements remained and reconstituted. Proclaiming Marines and Soldiers did not fight VC after '68 is an insult to those that did. I gave enough info in my posts for conducting further research for proving my point if you weren't in country in the time period or know anyone who was.

 

[Dayton3]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

Odd to call it a "civil war" when South Vietnam actually fell to a mammoth armored assault by the North Vietnamese Army that had more tanks than Nazi Germany used against France.

It was always a Civil War

They were supposed to have a vote to determine which Government would control. When it became obvious Ho Chi Minh would win easily, the US would not allow an election.

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

No nations (including ours) has a right to put communists into power. No one.

Why were we putting anyone in power.

It is the destiny of the U.S.

 

[rightwinger]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

It was a CIVIL WAR for control of Vietnam. South and North was created by Western Powers.

That Civil War should have resulted in 100,000 deaths. Because the Western Powers got involved, it killed more than 2 million

They were better off without us

 

[Dick Foster]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

It was a CIVIL WAR for control of Vietnam. South and North was created by Western Powers.

That Civil War should have resulted in 100,000 deaths. Because the Western Powers got involved, it killed more than 2 million

They were better off without us

We agree on damn little but on this we do. It was francophillian fuckstics that got us into that friggin mess and we owe the arrogant friggin frogs not one damn thing. If anything they owe us. Stupid fucking frogs. Fight with their feet and fuck with their face.

 

[rightwinger]

That's what Democrats want us to believe because Democrats were the ones who refused to honor our promise to South Vietnam that we would provide air support if North Vietnam violated the peace treaty and invaded. When the North invaded in '74, the Democrats shamefully refused to authorize air support and handed the country over to the communists.

I recommend Philip Jennings' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War.

We propped up a corrupt and inept South Vietnamese government for over a decade. We invested billions of dollars and 60,000 lives.
We provided them with state of the art military equipment and training. Even then, they were incapable of winning.

It was a Civil War that we never should have interfered with

After 1968 there was no insurgency, the viet cong were all DEAD. In 1975 the South was invaded by the North with 25 Divisions.

It was a CIVIL WAR for control of Vietnam. South and North was created by Western Powers.

That Civil War should have resulted in 100,000 deaths. Because the Western Powers got involved, it killed more than 2 million

They were better off without us

We agree on damn little but on this we do. It was francophillian fuckstics that got us into that friggin mess and we owe the arrogant friggin frogs not one damn thing. If anything they owe us. Stupid fucking frogs. Fight with their feet and fuck with their face.

France folded to a Nazi invasion and then did nothing to protect its Vietnamese colony from a Japanese takeover.

It was the people of Vietnam who fought the Japanese and fought for liberation. When it was all over, the US sided with the French over an independent Vietnam