Vietnam War was unwinnable

[RetiredGySgt]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

both have KOREA in their names

So what two DIFFERENT Countries. You amaze me at just HOW FUCKING STUPID you are.

 

[harmonica]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

anyway--I've provided much evidence--you provide babble......
.....Vietnam unwinnable and we certainly did not want an unlimited war with China--that would've been disastrous for the US

 

[harmonica]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

both have KOREA in their names

So what two DIFFERENT Countries. You amaze me at just HOW FUCKING STUPID you are.

..I keep providing more evidence and you don't like it...''stop engaging harmonica'''waaaaa waaaaaaa .....I'm providing MORE proof and you cry

 

[RetiredGySgt]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

anyway--I've provided much evidence--you provide babble......
.....Vietnam unwinnable and we certainly did not want an unlimited war with China--that would've been disastrous for the US

You do not even read your own links which usually disprove what ever you linked to prove. We won In Vietnam and we won In Korea. By 68 there was no insurgency left in South Vietnam and it fell in 75 NOT to an uprising or insurgency but to an INVASION of 25 North Vietnamese Divisions.

 

[harmonica]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

anyway--I've provided much evidence--you provide babble......
.....Vietnam unwinnable and we certainly did not want an unlimited war with China--that would've been disastrous for the US

You do not even read your own links which usually disprove what ever you linked to prove. We won In Vietnam and we won In Korea. By 68 there was no insurgency left in South Vietnam and it fell in 75 NOT to an uprising or insurgency but to an INVASION of 25 North Vietnamese Divisions.

..doesn't matter if we LOST to an insurgency or or an uprising or the NVA --we still lost --as stated--we couldn't stay there forever and the North knew that.
.....and as it states in the same book, and as I've stated many times--the North didn't have to win--just not lose ..it's real easy not to lose
....

 

[harmonica]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

both have KOREA in their names

So what two DIFFERENT Countries. You amaze me at just HOW FUCKING STUPID you are.

.....like I said, they just reopened the library and I haven't been there for a long time....I just happened to see this book in the military section, so I picked it up...and I just got to that Bradley quote today

 

[harmonica]

..another interesting ''statistic page 223:
'''''by 1953......only 36% of the American public supported an unpopular war''''
..this is just plain common sense and logical----no end in sight/no objectives stated/etc ---just like Vietnam

 

[AZrailwhale]

..the US was involved with Vietnam for over 7 years!!!!!

The U.S. Marines landed in Da Nang in 1845. Your idea that our involvement was 7 years is woefully short. I would say your comment is pure ignorance. One of many comments you made that shows you never learned or educated yourself on Vietnam.

It has been fun showing you to be a monkey in a cage of ignorance. I may stop by from time to time to rub your nose in .......... Bad monkey, bad, bad, bad, monkey.

In 1845 I doubt there were more than five hundred members of the US Marines in total. That's not much of an invasion force.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Looking at Vietnam, made me wonder whether terrain plays a part in who wins, and who doesn’t.

...in PG1, the US airpower/etc were supreme in the desert.....of course it's easier to find and target the enemy in the desert .....but, after we ''destroyed'' their military, we still have problems--not total victory- just like in Afghanistan
... the VC and NVA sometimes only fought when they wanted to, in the Vietnamese jungles....a lot tougher -sure
....we did beat them during the Tet Offensive---a lot of that fighting was in the cities....but it was meaningless for the US.....they were going to be there forever--but the US could not be there forever

..the other thing was--we ''beat'' [ ? ] them at Khe Sahn--and then we evacuated the base destroying what could be destroyed
..same thing at Hamburger Hill---many dead taking the hill...we took it--then left......!!!!! how do you win!!! ??
...so the geniuses say we should go into the North.....
1. why? escalate a much more MASSIVE war--for what reason?
2. the enemy would just fight when they wanted to...they didn't have to win--just not lose -like the US Revolution
3. the ARVN were next to useless
4. etc

After TET there was no more insurgency, learn a few facts you moron. Even North Vietnam understood this.

......no more insurgency----???!!!!...but the North won!!! how do you explain that?

That's simple, the Soviets took the totally defeated PAVN which was a light infantry force structured to fight a guerilla war, reequipped and retrained it into a modern combined arms mechanized army at no cost to the PRVN. Gave it enormous amounts of brand new state-of-the -art weapons plus advisors and economic and material support and assisted it in invading the RVN in violation of the Paris Peace Accords. That's how the North won the war.

 

[harmonica]

..the US was involved with Vietnam for over 7 years!!!!!

The U.S. Marines landed in Da Nang in 1845. Your idea that our involvement was 7 years is woefully short. I would say your comment is pure ignorance. One of many comments you made that shows you never learned or educated yourself on Vietnam.

It has been fun showing you to be a monkey in a cage of ignorance. I may stop by from time to time to rub your nose in .......... Bad monkey, bad, bad, bad, monkey.

..and Britain was in Europe many times before 1943---what a dumbass statement by elektra

 

[AZrailwhale]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

both have KOREA in their names

So what two DIFFERENT Countries. You amaze me at just HOW FUCKING STUPID you are.

So did the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) and the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) during the Cold War. Do you dispute that they were totally different countries?

 

[miketx]

..the US was involved with Vietnam for over 7 years!!!!!

The U.S. Marines landed in Da Nang in 1845. Your idea that our involvement was 7 years is woefully short. I would say your comment is pure ignorance. One of many comments you made that shows you never learned or educated yourself on Vietnam.

It has been fun showing you to be a monkey in a cage of ignorance. I may stop by from time to time to rub your nose in .......... Bad monkey, bad, bad, bad, monkey.

In 1845 I doubt there were more than five hundred members of the US Marines in total. That's not much of an invasion force.

If all the Marines were over there no wonder we lost the civil war!

 

[harmonica]

very respected Gen. Bradley on MacArthur's plans for the Korean War and escalating it:
page 218 Anatomy of Victory
MacArthur's plan would ''involve the country in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'''''
..same with Nam

Are you pretending that Gen. Bradley's opinion is fact? What exactly did he have to say about either Vietnam?

....his quote was on Korea---which you people said we should start a massive war with China-you are geniuses

You quoted his opinion; not fact.
And history says that China started a war with us when it launched an unprovoked surprise attack against our troops. WTF is "you people"?

how little history you know
..the US helped the nationalists in their civil war......then the US had troops near their border = threatening China = akin to Russian missiles in Cuba
...you people want a major war with China---500 million people/etc???!! VERY dumb

Again you FUCKING RETARD North and South Korea are 2 DIFFERENT Countries. When North Korea invaded it was NOT a civil war.

both have KOREA in their names

So what two DIFFERENT Countries. You amaze me at just HOW FUCKING STUPID you are.

So did the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) and the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) during the Cold War. Do you dispute that they were totally different countries?

...they didn't go to war.....
'''''''According to an understanding reached between the United States and the Soviet Union in the last days of the war, Soviet troops would occupy the parts of Korea north of the 38th parallel and US troops would occupy those south of this dividing line''''''''

Division of Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

''''''This would leave the USSR occupying Korea north of the 38th parallel line, and the United States would occupy the country south of the 38th parallel line. This was the agreement made, and it was to remain in effect until the country could come to terms and agree upon some kind of unified form of government, to occupy the entire country.''''''

Division of Korea (1945) After World War 2 Summary & Facts

When Japan surrendered to the Allies at the close of World War II, it brought along several other related incidences; one which was not related, and was not seen to come, was the division of Korea in to North Korea (the democrat people’s republic of Korea) and South Korea (the republic of...

totallyhistory.com

civil war--plain and simple
hahahahhahaha
9thDoc shows how ''mature'' and stupid he is by his insults and mouth

 

[Dayton3]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

Americans always claim the government they are supporting is "corrupt" if the conflict is not going our way. By way of example, can you name a single government the U.S. has supported since World War Two that the U.S. has not claimed was "corrupt"?

Thought not.

 

[badbob85037]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

We won that war in1968 after the Tet Offensive. NVA suffered 55,000 killed or wounded, the Viet Cong were wiped out and the North were ready to surrender. Then they brought in their secret weapon,

Jane Fonda, John Kerry and Walter Cronkite. Cronkite looked America in the eye saying we had lost the battle and could never win the war. Jane Found set on an NVA anti aircraft gun saying 'I wish I had one of those suckers in my sight right now.' Sucker being an American Air Force pilot. Kerry with his mentor Ted 'leave you to drown' Kennedy went to Congress and Kerry was sworn in then lied to congress that American troops were eating dead burnt babies.

Kerry then tried to cost us another war in Iraq. He said "They said there would be mass murder in Vietnam when we pulled out but it never happened. Never happened." 130,000 died in re-education camps. In our hurry to leave we left a list with the names of everyone that worked with the Phoenix Project. According to the French all were rounded up and murdered. All South Military officers were blindfolded, hand cuffed, and put in the back of American duce and a halfs driven to a remote area and machine gunned with only one escaping.

Never happened?! Kerry, Fonda, and Cronkite should have rotted from the trees long ago. We use to hang traitors now they infest our government the whole democrat, socialist, communist party We can't live with them and we can't kill them. Don't you think it's time we dispose of this waste?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We were winning. The Cong was being wiped out. Then liberal Walter Cronkite went to Viet Nam and lied. He was the most trusted name in news and he lied. We had won the Tet Offensive with a resounding and decisive victory. Cronkite said it was a rout. A humiliating defeat. Ho Chi Minh realized he didn't have to win. Hang on and the American left would do what his army could not. Defeat our military.

 

[Andylusion]

Yup, what the above two posters said, is all true. The Viet Cong by any measure was completely obliterated by the Tet Offensive. The N.V. regular military had very few heavy armor and tanks, and we completely destroyed what they sent at us.

There was never a time, in the entire Vietnam war, where the enemy met our troops in direct combat and won. They lost, and lost decisively every single time.

Had we simply pushed into North Vietnam, the entire country would have folded like a deck of cards. They had nothing. We were absolutely slaughtering them at every encounter.

The only defeat we faced, was the defeatist of Left-wing socialists that demanded we let our allies be slaughtered.

 

[harmonica]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

We won that war in1968 after the Tet Offensive. NVA suffered 55,000 killed or wounded, the Viet Cong were wiped out and the North were ready to surrender. Then they brought in their secret weapon,

Jane Fonda, John Kerry and Walter Cronkite. Cronkite looked America in the eye saying we had lost the battle and could never win the war. Jane Found set on an NVA anti aircraft gun saying 'I wish I had one of those suckers in my sight right now.' Sucker being an American Air Force pilot. Kerry with his mentor Ted 'leave you to drown' Kennedy went to Congress and Kerry was sworn in then lied to congress that American troops were eating dead burnt babies.

Kerry then tried to cost us another war in Iraq. He said "They said there would be mass murder in Vietnam when we pulled out but it never happened. Never happened." 130,000 died in re-education camps. In our hurry to leave we left a list with the names of everyone that worked with the Phoenix Project. According to the French all were rounded up and murdered. All South Military officers were blindfolded, hand cuffed, and put in the back of American duce and a halfs driven to a remote area and machine gunned with only one escaping.

Never happened?! Kerry, Fonda, and Cronkite should have rotted from the trees long ago. We use to hang traitors now they infest our government the whole democrat, socialist, communist party We can't live with them and we can't kill them. Don't you think it's time we dispose of this waste?

the war was not over in 1968 - no win

 

[harmonica]

..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever.....
..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their '''advantages'' ....this should've been a lesson
......a big problem was the Vietnamese government [ and military ] = for a long time it was corrupt/unstable/etc = they had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years--one with a MURDER..with many attempted coups before and after......that mess was still there after Thieu took over
...N Vietnam did not have to even beat the US ......
.......the US could cut off Korea because it was peninsula--where as NV could bring troops/etc to the South over land
.

Americans always claim the government they are supporting is "corrupt" if the conflict is not going our way. By way of example, can you name a single government the U.S. has supported since World War Two that the U.S. has not claimed was "corrupt"?

Thought not.

Kuwait
SKorean government
..anyway, your post is nonsensical

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Kerry, Fonda, and Cronkite should have rotted from the trees long ago. We use to hang traitors now they infest our government the whole democrat, socialist, communist party We can't live with them and we can't kill them. Don't you think it's time we dispose of this waste?

“Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back". And thus was born a legend which has never entirely perished.

The phrase was to Ludendorff's liking, and he let it be known among the general staff that this was the "official" version, which led to it being spread throughout German society. It was picked up by right-wing political factions, and was even used by Kaiser Wilhelm II in the memoirs he wrote in the 1920s. Right-wing groups used it as a form of attack against the early Weimar Republic government ....

Stab-in-the-back myth - Wikipedia

Rightwing German & Austrian cartoons. showing Weimar politicians and a caricatured Jew stabbing the German Army in the back. The blame for the German failure in WWI was placed upon a supposedly unpatriotic populace, traitorous Socialists and Bolsheviks, the Weimar Republic, and especially the Jews. Hitler effectively used such propaganda to try to seize power in 1923, and he succeeded ten years later.