USS Liberty

[JoeB131]

Did you talk to these Jews after you attended one of your Students for Blaming the Holocaust on the Jews meetings?

Now, funny thing. Going into College, I was kind of sympathetic to Israel. After four years of dealing with these people, I was a lot less sympathetic. Of course, the Shatilla Massacre didn't help matters much.

Ouch. I'm a former signal intelligence analyst. 21 years of service. No, in the 1960s a SIGINT ship like the Liberty could not pick up tactical and HQ voice communications from thousands of miles away.

Sure you are... sure you are.

Of course they did, just as the neo-Nazis, Hamas, ISIS, and Hezbollah claim.

Again, the Zionists are the ones out there killing women and Children... They don't have the high ground.

So once again you claim that the Jews provoked Hitler's animosity! And here I thought you were going to try to back-pedal and weasel-word your way out of your neo-Nazi statement, but you've doubled-down on it!

No, the animosity was ingrained mainly in Christian culture, from Passion Plays to Martin Luther.

But let's not pretend they were totally innocent. SOME of them did some pretty shitty stuff. Like overthrowing the Kaiser in 1918. That lead to a humiliating peace treaty and years of economic hardship. I should know, my grandparents lived it. Or engaging in rampant currency speculation that wiped out the life savings of many Germans.

Your Hero Trump does the same thing Hitler did, except his victims are Hispanic and Muslim. YOu are fine with it.

Okay, yes, we are clear: You believe that Hitler did something terrible because those lousy vermin Jews provoked his animosity by screwing Germany and most of the rest of Europe after WWI. Got it. Duly noted.

No, Hitler did something terrible because he was an evil person.

It didn't mean that the average German wasn't damned mad and had every right to be.

 

[PeterPilot]

mikegriffith1

Have you ever read Albert Einstein's thoughts on statehood for Jewish Zionists? He and Hannah Arendt talked about that and other matters in a letter to the editor to NYT in December 1948. A quick summary is that while he certainly favored a homeland for his Jewish brethren, he very strongly opposed statehood for the same. He pointed out that the Zionists in the Jewish community were very much like the Nazis in "methods and philosophy". He was right.

 

[mikegriffith1]

mikegriffith1

Have you ever read Albert Einstein's thoughts on statehood for Jewish Zionists? He and Hannah Arendt talked about that and other matters in a letter to the editor to NYT in December 1948. A quick summary is that while he certainly favored a homeland for his Jewish brethren, he very strongly opposed statehood for the same. He pointed out that the Zionists in the Jewish community were very much like the Nazis in "methods and philosophy". He was right.

I'm sure JoeB131 appreciates a fellow Jew hater such as yourself coming to his defense, but I'm really just still waiting on JoeB131 to provide a scenario for how the Jews could have prevented the USS Liberty Navy Court of Inquiry (NCOI) from recording or publishing evidence that the Israeli jets were unmarked and that Israeli torpedo boats fired on life rafts in the water.

You see, when I pointed out to him that the only NCOI testimony on the marking of the jets was that the jets were marked and that none of the survivors who testified at the NCOI said anything about the Israelis firing on life rafts in the water, his reply was that the all-powerful international Jewish/Zionist conspiracy had intervened to block such testimony from being recorded or published. So, I've simply been asking him to present a scenario for how this could have been done, given what we know about Navy Courts of Inquiry.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sure JoeB131 appreciates a fellow Jew hater such as yourself coming to his defense, but I'm really just still waiting on JoeB131 to provide a scenario for how the Jews could have prevented the USS Liberty Navy Court of Inquiry (NCOI) from recording or publishing evidence that the Israeli jets were unmarked and that Israeli torpedo boats fired on life rafts in the water.

Admiral Moorer and Dean Rusk have both said the official story is full of shit.

Here's the reality. Our government has a bad habit of sweeping shit under the rug, whether it be poisoning people from radiation tests or claiming the Iraqi attack on USS Stark was an accident.

It amuses me that you buy into some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories, like JFK was killed by a shadowy conspiracy or OJ was innocent, but you ignore something as plain as the nose on your face.

You see, when I pointed out to him that the only NCOI testimony on the marking of the jets was that the jets were marked and that none of the survivors who testified at the NCOI said anything about the Israelis firing on life rafts in the water, his reply was that the all-powerful international Jewish/Zionist conspiracy had intervened to block such testimony from being recorded or published. So, I've simply been asking him to present a scenario for how this could have been done, given what we know about Navy Courts of Inquiry.

Given what I know about military procedures, I wouldn't trust anything they say.

Military Justice is to Justice what Military Music is to Music.

This court was told what their findings were going to be before anyone sat down to listen to a bit of evidence.

If you think otherwise, you are even more naive than I think you are... and I think most Mormons are brainwashed idiots.

 

[PeterPilot]

I'm sure JoeB131 appreciates a fellow Jew hater such as yourself coming to his defense, but I'm really just still waiting on JoeB131 to provide a scenario for how the Jews could have prevented the USS Liberty Navy Court of Inquiry (NCOI) from recording or publishing evidence that the Israeli jets were unmarked and that Israeli torpedo boats fired on life rafts in the water.

You see, when I pointed out to him that the only NCOI testimony on the marking of the jets was that the jets were marked and that none of the survivors who testified at the NCOI said anything about the Israelis firing on life rafts in the water, his reply was that the all-powerful international Jewish/Zionist conspiracy had intervened to block such testimony from being recorded or published. So, I've simply been asking him to present a scenario for how this could have been done, given what we know about Navy Courts of Inquiry.

I'm not a Jew Hater, and I doubt JoeB is either. One need not hate Jews to understand that the Zionist governments in Tel Aviv and Washington commit crimes against humanity all the time over decades. Some of us have more sophisticated powers of perception than others. Some of us know right from wrong, even as others do not.

That all this murder and mayhem that's been going on for most of my life in the so-called Holy Land has been done in the name of religion, done in accordance with crazy nonsense put forth in religious magic books like the Old Testament and Torah and Talmud.

I don't hate Jews. In fact I give financial and moral support to Jewish Voice for Peace

Your position on this is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Don't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I'm not a Jew Hater, and I doubt JoeB is either.

Uh, yeah he is. He makes no bones about it. He also peddles the obscene Nazi lie that the Jews wrecked Germany and most of Europe after WWI. He's even said, several times, that the Jews provoked Hitler's animosity.

One need not hate Jews to understand that the Zionist governments in Tel Aviv and Washington commit crimes against humanity all the time over decades. Some of us have more sophisticated powers of perception than others. Some of us know right from wrong, even as others do not.

That all this murder and mayhem that's been going on for most of my life in the so-called Holy Land has been done in the name of religion, done in accordance with crazy nonsense put forth in religious magic books like the Old Testament and Torah and Talmud.

I don't hate Jews. In fact I give financial and moral support to Jewish Voice for Peace

Your position on this is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Don't expect to be taken seriously.

You must have been looking in a mirror. You peddle neo-Nazi/Hamas/ISIS propaganda about Israel and Jews and America.

Israel is a vibrant democracy with a fiercely independent press, an independent judiciary, fair and clean elections, religious freedom, and all the other basic rights that are characteristic of a democracy. No Arab government even comes close to having these standard features of democracy.

 

[PeterPilot]

Uh, yeah he is. He makes no bones about it. He also peddles the obscene Nazi lie that the Jews wrecked Germany and most of Europe after WWI. He's even said, several times, that the Jews provoked Hitler's animosity.


You must have been looking in a mirror. You peddle neo-Nazi/Hamas/ISIS propaganda about Israel and Jews and America.

Israel is a vibrant democracy with a fiercely independent press, an independent judiciary, fair and clean elections, religious freedom, and all the other basic rights that are characteristic of a democracy. No Arab government even comes close to having these standard features of democracy.

Israel may be a vibrant democracy in your conditioned mind, but its government forced its 'citizens' to take the toxic shots.

It may be a vibrant democracy, but its government is a murderous organization that is bent on taking over the whole world beginning with its neighbors. More, its government attacked the USS Liberty all those years ago with the assistance and permission of POTUS Johnson. That same Zionist government planned and executed the attacks at WTC in 2001.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh, yeah he is. He makes no bones about it. He also peddles the obscene Nazi lie that the Jews wrecked Germany and most of Europe after WWI. He's even said, several times, that the Jews provoked Hitler's animosity.

No, I said they provoked Germany's animosity. Hitler is just the rash that broke out into it. Hitler, like Trump, just knew how to play into the animosities

You see, this is what you don't seem to get. Leaders are a reflection of the people they lead.

I don't think Jews were poisoning the wells or drinking the blood of children or that they even killed Jesus (because Jesus never existed).

They absolutely did contribute to the Weimar Shit-show. And the Shit show that was happening in most of the rest of Europe.

Israel is a vibrant democracy with a fiercely independent press, an independent judiciary, fair and clean elections, religious freedom, and all the other basic rights that are characteristic of a democracy. No Arab government even comes close to having these standard features of democracy.

A "vibrant democracy" doesn't need to openly oppress half of its population who would get rid of it in a heartbeat if anyone asked them to vote on the matter.

 

[mikegriffith1]

No, I said they provoked Germany's animosity. Hitler is just the rash that broke out into it. Hitler, like Trump, just knew how to play into the animosities

Uh, nope, you lying neo-Nazi. Here's what you said:

What Hitler did was horrible. But the way Jews screwed Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) after World War I definitely provoked that animosity.

You said nothing about the German people hating or murdering Jews. You said what Hitler did was horrible and then in the next breath said the Jews "provoked that animosity."

You see, this is what you don't seem to get. Leaders are a reflection of the people they lead.

I don't think Jews were poisoning the wells or drinking the blood of children or that they even killed Jesus (because Jesus never existed).

Jesus never existed?! You are the gift that keeps on giving. We have Roman records that attest to Christ's existence.

They absolutely did contribute to the Weimar *&^&-show. And the *&^& show that was happening in most of the rest of Europe.

Oh, so you back-pedal a bit and say that the Jews only "contributed" to Germany's collapse. Too little and too late. Your earlier statements are a matter of record. The fact that you're now modifying them only shows you realize you blurted out your true views and that those views are disgusting and fringe.

A "vibrant democracy" doesn't need to openly oppress half of its population who would get rid of it in a heartbeat if anyone asked them to vote on the matter.

HUH??? Just what planet do you live on? Is this craziness what you're reading in the Hamas Daily, the ISIS Courier, and the Tehran News?

FYI, Neo-Nazi Joe, about 2 million Israelis are Arabs, and they enjoy every right that Jewish Israelis enjoy, including voting. That's why there are 11 Arabs in the Israeli Knesset (Israel's legislature). This is also why there are Israeli newspapers, radio stations, and TV stations that print and broadcast in both Arabic and Hebrew.

In contrast, your heroes Hamas run a Nazi-like Sharia-law state that oppresses and marginalizes women, that outlaws homosexuality, and that has no free press, no independent judiciary, no separation of powers, and no regular elections. When was the last time there was an election in Gaza, hey?

 

[JoeB131]

Axis Mikey strikes again.

Uh, nope, you lying neo-Nazi. Here's what you said:

What Hitler did was horrible. But the way Jews screwed Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) after World War I definitely provoked that animosity.

You said nothing about the German people hating or murdering Jews. You said what Hitler did was horrible and then in the next breath said the Jews "provoked that animosity."

So you suck at reading comprehension.

Okay, make it simple for you. Hitler was one guy. Nazi Germany was 80 million people who largely went along with the crazy stuff that one guy did. IF there wasn't genuine animosity to start with, then um, yeah, he would have been just a craz person on the street corner.

Jesus never existed?! You are the gift that keeps on giving. We have Roman records that attest to Christ's existence.

No, we have Roman Records that were preserved by medieval Christian monks, of writers who were writing decades or even centuries after Jesus' supposed existence.

The one you guys like to point to is Tacitus' account of Nero, but that one reeks of someone sticking in fan fic. Like some Monk said, "Hey, why isn't THAT in there?" And Tacitus was writing 100 years after the fact.

What you don't have is, for instance, a transcript of Pontius Pilate's trial of Jesus.

Oh, so you back-pedal a bit and say that the Jews only "contributed" to Germany's collapse. Too little and too late. Your earlier statements are a matter of record. The fact that you're now modifying them only shows you realize you blurted out your true views and that those views are disgusting and fringe.

Um, no, you are trying to split hairs. A good historian (which you are not) knows nothing is only one thing. But did the Jew Socialist Revolutionaries make life miserable for Germans in the 1920s? You betcha. Not even an academic thing for me. My grandfather left Germany in 1925 because things were so bad.

FYI, Neo-Nazi Joe, about 2 million Israelis are Arabs,

Actually, no, no Israeli is an Arab. So 2 million Palestinians enjoy LIMITED privileges in the Zionist state. You sound like a Jim Crow era white man who doesn't know what the darkies are complaining about.

In contrast, your heroes Hamas run a Nazi-like Sharia-law state that oppresses and marginalizes women, that outlaws homosexuality, and that has no free press, no independent judiciary, no separation of powers, and no regular elections. When was the last time there was an election in Gaza, hey?

Who cares?

Besides the fact you misrepresent life in Gaza, you probably don't understand how Hamas gained power to start with.

Here's a hint, while the feckless idiots of Fatah were taking Western Aid and diverting billions of it to Swiss bank accounts while sucking up to the Zionist Squatters, Hamas was out there providing social services and resisting the Zionists.

So when the Palestinian Authority held elections in 2006, Hamas won. 44% of the vote to Fatah's 41%. The Zionist reaction was to invade the West Bank and impose demands on the new Palestinian Government.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Axis Mikey strikes again. [SNIP]

LOL! It is more comical than ever that you're still trotting out this silly nickname, given that in recent weeks you have repeated Nazi propaganda about Jews, including your astounding statements that Hitler wasn't the problem, that the Jews caused Hitler's animosity by supposedly wrecking Germany after WWI, that the Jews also wrecked most of the rest of Europe, that Jewish bankers played a major role in Germany's collapse, that Jews never pass up a chance to make money, etc., etc.

Actually, no, no Israeli is an Arab. So 2 million Palestinians enjoy LIMITED privileges in the Zionist state. You sound like a Jim Crow era white man who doesn't know what the darkies are complaining about. [SNIP]

I'll wave aside your pitiful arguments for your fringe position that Jesus did not exist and your refusal to admit that Hamas runs an oppressive dictatorship in Gaza, because I want to focus on this statement.

Yes, there are plenty of Israeli Arabs/Arab Israelis. These Arabs, as do many Palestinians, want nothing to do with Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. Again, Israeli Arabs vote, which is why there are Arabs in the Knesset. Turnout among Arab Israelis has been as high as 65% in recent years (2020 election). In fact, Arabs have been elected to the Knesset since 1949.

A poll done last year among Arab Israelis found that over half feel a sense of shared destiny with Jews:

Poll: Over half of Arab Israelis feel sense of ‘shared destiny’ with Jews

Survey of Arab citizens also finds that over two thirds are in favor of an Arab party joining a future government coalition, and 40% say it doesn't have to be a center-left one

www.timesofisrael.com

Some other facts: Most Arab Israelis are Muslim, but many embrace other ethnicities and religions. The Druze are one group of Israeli Arabs, and they number about 150,000. Arab Christians number around 140,000. Other Arab Israelis include the Bedouins, of whom there are between 200,000 and 250,000. If you're doing the math, that's over half a million Arab Israelis who are not "Palestinians."

The Status of Arabs in Israel

An article discussing the status of the Arab citizens of Israel.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

The Arab Vote in the Elections for the 24th Knesset (March 2021)

The recent elections proved, once again—especially against the backdrop of the Joint List’s meteoric success a year ago—the weakness of the parties’ base on the Arab street.

en.idi.org.il

If you'd read something other than radical Muslim/far-left/neo-Nazi propaganda about Israel and Hamas/ISIS/Hezbollah, you'd know these things.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL! It is more comical than ever that you're still trotting out this silly nickname, given that in recent weeks you have repeated Nazi propaganda about Jews, including your astounding statements that Hitler wasn't the problem, that the Jews caused Hitler's animosity by supposedly wrecking Germany after WWI, that the Jews also wrecked most of the rest of Europe, that Jewish bankers played a major role in Germany's collapse, that Jews never pass up a chance to make money, etc., etc.

I'll wave aside your pitiful arguments for your fringe position that Jesus did not exist and your refusal to admit that Hamas runs an oppressive dictatorship in Gaza, because I want to focus on this statement.

Yes, your concession on those points are duly noted.

Yes, there are plenty of Israeli Arabs/Arab Israelis. These Arabs, as do many Palestinians, want nothing to do with Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. Again, Israeli Arabs vote, which is why there are Arabs in the Knesset. Turnout among Arab Israelis has been as high as 65% in recent years (2020 election). In fact, Arabs have been elected to the Knesset since 1949.

There are Arabs in the Knesset who are only allowed to vote for approved Quisling parties, that aren't allowed to join coalitions. This is nothing to be proud of. In any group, you'll find people who are happy to sell out their own for a little more comfort and advantage.

Now, here's the thing. The one time Palestinians DID hold an election, Hamas won easily. Fatah refused to accept the results, and Hamas just seized Gaza and that was the end of it.

Bibi played Hamas and Fatah off against each other so he wouldn't have to negotiate on Palestinian Statehood in good faith. It bit him on the ass on Oct 7th, which is why he kept the war going for two years. The minute the war ends, there will be hearings.

If you'd read something other than radical Muslim/far-left/neo-Nazi propaganda about Israel and Hamas/ISIS/Hezbollah, you'd know these things.

Um, if you didn't listen to the Pro-Zionist American media, you'd know Israel is shit, and that' how it's seen in most of the world. Shit, Bibi can't even land his plane because he'll be arrested as a war criminal anywhere outside Israel and the US.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Yes, your concession on those points are duly noted.

There are Arabs in the Knesset who are only allowed to vote for approved Quisling parties, that aren't allowed to join coalitions. This is nothing to be proud of. In any group, you'll find people who are happy to sell out their own for a little more comfort and advantage.

False. Stop reading jihadist and neo-Nazi propaganda.

Now, here's the thing. The one time Palestinians DID hold an election, Hamas won easily. Fatah refused to accept the results, and Hamas just seized Gaza and that was the end of it.

Oh my. Is this supposed to be your evidence that Hamas-run Gaza or the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority are even remotely close to being as democratic, pluralistic, tolerant, and open as Israel? I pointed out the stark contrast between Israel and Gaza/Palestinian Authority in terms of elections, separation of powers, basic civil rights, an independent judiciary, due process, the rule of law, pluralism, etc. And your answer is "gee, many years ago the Palestinians did hold an election, but Fatah rejected the results and Hamas seized Gaza."

Bibi played Hamas and Fatah off against each other so he wouldn't have to negotiate on Palestinian Statehood in good faith. It bit him on the ass on Oct 7th, which is why he kept the war going for two years. The minute the war ends, there will be hearings.

More of your obscene neo-Nazi/jihadist propaganda. IOW, Hamas was justified in murdering over 1,000 Israeli civilians and abducting over 200 others on October 7 because, according to you, Bibi didn't negotiate in good faith on Palestinian statehood. Humm, that's the same garbage that the neo-Nazis, Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Iran's mullahs peddle.

Um, if you didn't listen to the Pro-Zionist American media,

Oh, shoot: I forgot that your international Jewish conspiracy controls the American news media. My bad.

you'd know Israel is (*&^,

If that's true, what does that make Gaza and the PA? If that's true, why do so many Palestinians want to work in Israel and become Israeli citizens?

Can you name a single newspaper in Gaza or the PA that criticizes Hamas or Fatah? There are several pro-Labor Party/anti-Likud Party major newspapers in Israel. How many elections, of any kind, have been held in Gaza and the PA in the last 20 years? Israel has held at least five national elections in the last 20 years, not to mention dozens of local elections. How would you compare gay rights and women's rights in Gaza and the PA to gay rights and women's rights in Israel?

and that's how it [Israel] is seen in most of the world.

Oh?! Hold on. . . . I see. . . . You're talking about your alternate reality world. Yes, in your neo-Nazi/jihadist alternate reality that's how Israel is viewed. And, tell me, how are the terrorist groups Hamas and ISIS viewed in your world?

*&^&%, Bibi can't even land his plane because he'll be arrested as a war criminal anywhere outside Israel and the US.

Again, Neo-Nazi/Jihad/Mao-Loving Joe, we're talking about Earth, this planet, this world. In this world, Bibi Netanyahu has made official visits to Germany, Jordan, France, Italy, and Cyprus in 2023, many of them less than two years ago, and to Hungary just last month (April 2025). He was a bit busy in 2024 dealing with Hamas after Hamas's barbaric October 7, 2023, attacks.

 

[JoeB131]

Axis Mikey strikes again.

Oh my. Is this supposed to be your evidence that Hamas-run Gaza or the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority are even remotely close to being as democratic, pluralistic, tolerant, and open as Israel? I pointed out the stark contrast between Israel and Gaza/Palestinian Authority in terms of elections, separation of powers, basic civil rights, an independent judiciary, due process, the rule of law, pluralism, etc. And your answer is "gee, many years ago the Palestinians did hold an election, but Fatah rejected the results and Hamas seized Gaza."

Not at all. The Zionists are the invaders. The problem you have is you think that because they vaguely remind you of you (Being White And Delightsome, as your fraud Bible says) that gives them virtue.

Not everyone is going to share our values.

The big question is, "Why is any of this our problem".

More of your obscene neo-Nazi/jihadist propaganda. IOW, Hamas was justified in murdering over 1,000 Israeli civilians and abducting over 200 others on October 7 because, according to you, Bibi didn't negotiate in good faith on Palestinian statehood. Humm, that's the same garbage that the neo-Nazis, Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Iran's mullahs peddle.

Yawn, guy, if you are stupid enough to live next to people who want to murder you, don't come whining to me that they want to murder you.

If that's true, what does that make Gaza and the PA? If that's true, why do so many Palestinians want to work in Israel and become Israeli citizens?

They don't. They just want the Zionist to go back to Europe. That the Zionists exploit them for cheap labor doesn't mean they love them.

Can you name a single newspaper in Gaza or the PA that criticizes Hamas or Fatah? There are several pro-Labor Party/anti-Likud Party major newspapers in Israel. How many elections, of any kind, have been held in Gaza and the PA in the last 20 years? Israel has held at least five national elections in the last 20 years, not to mention dozens of local elections. How would you compare gay rights and women's rights in Gaza and the PA to gay rights and women's rights in Israel?

I already told you. They held an election in 2006. Hamas Won. Handily.

Here's the thing, if the Zionists want a western nation with western values, they probably need to get out of the Middle East where they don't go for that sort of thing.

Oh?! Hold on. . . . I see. . . . You're talking about your alternate reality world. Yes, in your neo-Nazi/jihadist alternate reality that's how Israel is viewed. And, tell me, how are the terrorist groups Hamas and ISIS viewed in your world?

No, I'm talking about the real world, where referendums on Israel usually end with most of the world voting against them and the US using its veto power to block any serious action.

Again, Neo-Nazi/Jihad/Mao-Loving Joe, we're talking about Earth, this planet, this world. In this world, Bibi Netanyahu has made official visits to Germany, Jordan, France, Italy, and Cyprus in 2023, many of them less than two years ago, and to Hungary just last month (April 2025). He was a bit busy in 2024 dealing with Hamas after Hamas's barbaric October 7, 2023, attacks.

Oh, and I guess this is a bunch of Nazi Propaganda, then.

Netanyahu took longer path on his way to Washington to avoid ICC arrest warrant: Media

Israel believed that countries like Ireland, Iceland, Netherlands could have acted to enforce the warrant, Haaretz daily says - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was forced to take a longer path on his way to visit Washington from the Hungarian capital Budapest to avoid any case of emergency landing in countries that would enforce the International Criminal Court (ICC) arrest warrant against him.

According to the Israeli daily Haaretz on Monday, Netanyahu's plane flew "through a flight path about 400 kilometers (248 miles) longer to avoid flying over countries that might enforce the ICC arrest warrant issued against him in the case of an emergency landing."

"Israel believed that countries like Ireland, Iceland, and the Netherlands could have acted to enforce the warrant," Haaretz also said.

It added that since the start of the Israeli war on Gaza, on October 2023, all Netanyahu's flights to the US crossed through Greece, Italy, and France to the Atlantic Ocean and then to the US.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Axis Mikey strikes again.

I take it you don't care just how ridiculous this makes you look.

Not at all. The Zionists are the invaders. The problem you have is you think that because they vaguely remind you of you (Being White And Delightsome, as your fraud Bible says) that gives them virtue.

Not everyone is going to share our values.

The big question is, "Why is any of this our problem".

Just let it be noted that this is your non-answer answer to my point that Israel is far more democratic, tolerant, and open than Gaza or the PA.

Yawn, guy, if you are stupid enough to live next to people who want to murder you, don't come whining to me that they want to murder you.

Ah, so it's the Jews' fault for hoping and trying to live in peace next to Gaza. I see.

They don't. They just want the Zionist to go back to Europe. That the Zionists exploit them for cheap labor doesn't mean they love them.

Wrong. You simply don't know what you're talking about. I notice you ignored the fact that a majority of Arab Israelis feel a sense of shared destiny with Jewish Israelis.

I already told you. They held an election in 2006. Hamas Won. Handily.

Yeah, uh, that was 19 years ago!

Here's the thing, if the Zionists want a western nation with western values, they probably need to get out of the Middle East where they don't go for that sort of thing.

Umm, the "Zionists" already have a western nation with western values. It's called Israel.

No, I'm talking about the real world, where referendums on Israel usually end with most of the world voting against them and the US using its veto power to block any serious action.

Humm, how many nations recognize Israel and how many nations recognize the PA or Gaza? 167 nations recognize Israel. 147 nations recognize "the state of Palestine."

The UN is a joke anyway: UN Condemns Israel 17 Times, Rest of World Combined 6 Times - UN Watch

Oh, and I guess this is a bunch of Nazi Propaganda, then.

Netanyahu took longer path on his way to Washington to avoid ICC arrest warrant: Media

Israel believed that countries like Ireland, Iceland, Netherlands could have acted to enforce the warrant, Haaretz daily says - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was forced to take a longer path on his way to visit Washington from the Hungarian capital Budapest to avoid any case of emergency landing in countries that would enforce the International Criminal Court (ICC) arrest warrant against him.

According to the Israeli daily Haaretz on Monday, Netanyahu's plane flew "through a flight path about 400 kilometers (248 miles) longer to avoid flying over countries that might enforce the ICC arrest warrant issued against him in the case of an emergency landing."

"Israel believed that countries like Ireland, Iceland, and the Netherlands could have acted to enforce the warrant," Haaretz also said.

It added that since the start of the Israeli war on Gaza, on October 2023, all Netanyahu's flights to the US crossed through Greece, Italy, and France to the Atlantic Ocean and then to the US.

Oh my goodness. So you're citing the obscene International Criminal Court warrant against Netanyahu, a warrant based on bald-faced Hamas/ISIS/Iranian/neo-Nazi propaganda.

I notice you snipped the refutation of your false claim that Netanyahu hasn't traveled anywhere but the U.S. in recent years for fear of being arrested. Funny how you never say anything about the murdering terrorist leaders of Hamas, ISIS, and Hezbollah.

I'll just note again that you are once more repeating jihadist and neo-Nazi propaganda about Israel. And I'll just remind everyone about your recent repetition of Nazi propaganda about the Jews and Germany's collapse after WWI, your statement that "Hitler wasn't the problem" but that the Jews were, and that the Jews caused Hitler to hate them.

 

[PeterPilot]

The Zionists do the work of Moloch, and that's been going on for decades at least. Is that civilized? I think not.

 

[JoeB131]

Axis Mikey, trying to rationalize Zionist Genocide and Apartheid.

Just let it be noted that this is your non-answer answer to my point that Israel is far more democratic, tolerant, and open than Gaza or the PA.

I'm sorry, I just can't hear you over the screams of all the DYING CHILDREN!!!!

One person's tolerance is another person's permisiveness. Please, please, please don't tell me that your sorry Mormon as is totally cool with Gay and Trans people.

Would I want to live under Hama or the PA? Absolutely not. But most Palestinians would be fine with it. This is the mistake we made in Afghanistan, and why the Taliban chased us out with our tails between our legs.

Ah, so it's the Jews' fault for hoping and trying to live in peace next to Gaza. I see.

When did they try that? When they stole the land, or when they killed Palestinian Children?

Wrong. You simply don't know what you're talking about. I notice you ignored the fact that a majority of Arab Israelis feel a sense of shared destiny with Jewish Israelis.

Because it was as absurd as anything else you say, and you've said some whoppers like Sirhan Sirhan was under mind control and OJ didn't do it.

Umm, the "Zionists" already have a western nation with western values. It's called Israel.

Except most of the West is disgusted by Israel. So, no, not really in line with their values at all.

Humm, how many nations recognize Israel and how many nations recognize the PA or Gaza? 167 nations recognize Israel. 147 nations recognize "the state of Palestine."

Um, not even sure you have a point there.

Oh my goodness. So you're citing the obscene International Criminal Court warrant against Netanyahu, a warrant based on bald-faced Hamas/ISIS/Iranian/neo-Nazi propaganda.

Wow, hit a sensitive spot there, didn't I? The rest of the world can see what Bibi has done. But hey, Bibi can clear this whole thing up by reporting to the Hague with a team of Lawyers and arguing that what he's doing isn't GENOCIDE.

I notice you snipped the refutation of your false claim that Netanyahu hasn't traveled anywhere but the U.S. in recent years for fear of being arrested. Funny how you never say anything about the murdering terrorist leaders of Hamas, ISIS, and Hezbollah.

I don't have to. Although Trump today praised the Islamist leader of Syria today, so there's that.

The problem is, WE SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED THERE AT ALL. If we took the money we spend playing Hall Monitor of the Middle East and spent it on energy independence, and told the Zionists to go **** themselves, we'd have a much more peaceful life in the world. Instead, we let AIPAC keep getting us into wars over there, and just making things worse for ourselves.

Oh, but let's arrest college students who point it out. That'll fix the problem.

I'll just note again that you are once more repeating jihadist and neo-Nazi propaganda about Israel. And I'll just remind everyone about your recent repetition of Nazi propaganda about the Jews and Germany's collapse after WWI, your statement that "Hitler wasn't the problem" but that the Jews were, and that the Jews caused Hitler to hate them.

Gee, why you want to keep repeating debates you lose is beyond me, Axis Mikey.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Just popping in to remind everyone, especially newcomers, that something like 99% of the historians and scholars who have studied the USS Liberty incident have concluded it was a tragic and explainable accident. Pretty much the only people who still peddle the USS Liberty conspiracy theory, i.e., that the Israelis knew the Liberty was American and attacked anyway, are certain radical Muslim authors, neo-Nazis, and far-left anti-Semitic Israel bashers.

We can see the disreputable, fringe nature of those who peddle this crackpot conspiracy theory by the comments of the people who are defending the theory in this thread.

 

[JoeB131]

Just popping in to remind everyone, especially newcomers, that something like 99% of the historians and scholars who have studied the USS Liberty incident have concluded it was a tragic and explainable accident. Pretty much the only people who still peddle the USS Liberty conspiracy theory, i.e., that the Israelis knew the Liberty was American and attacked anyway, are certain radical Muslim authors, neo-Nazis, and far-left anti-Semitic Israel bashers.

We can see the disreputable, fringe nature of those who peddle this crackpot conspiracy theory by the comments of the people who are defending the theory in this thread.

Yes, everyone.

Except Secretary of State Dean Rusk
And Naval Chief of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer
And the Captain of the USS Liberty Capt. Willian McGonagle.

Yup, except for the people who were actually in charge at the time who didn't believe a word the Israelis said.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, everyone.

Except Secretary of State Dean Rusk
And Naval Chief of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer
And the Captain of the USS Liberty Capt. Willian McGonagle.

Yup, except for the people who were actually in charge at the time who didn't believe a word the Israelis said.

I was in the NAVY---and had lots to do with its accidents and accidents in general thereafter. The people who LAY BLAME are the people in charge and any person injured-----they do so for obvious reasons---the people in charge don't want to be blamed and the injured want just compensation-----same principles apply in motor vehicle accidents-----in fact in all sorts of "PERSONAL INJURY" cases. If a kid falls out of a window-----it's because the landlord neglected to install window guards----if a person cannot escape a fire ---it's because the landlord neglected to install window guards that open-------welcome to PERSONAL INJURY JURISPRUDENCE