USS Liberty

[longly]

Why does this story have such longevity? Accidents happen in war. I can't believe that Israelis intentionally attacked the United States naval vessel—that would make no sense. Why would they do that? At any rate, as I said, accidents happen in war. We have been known to kill our own people, sometimes intentionally, when our positions are about to be overrun. Sometimes, it's better to call in artillery on your own position than to let the enemy take you. So, this story should die.

 

[JoeB131]

Why does this story have such longevity? Accidents happen in war. I can't believe that Israelis intentionally attacked the United States naval vessel—that would make no sense. Why would they do that? At any rate, as I said, accidents happen in war. We have been known to kill our own people, sometimes intentionally, when our positions are about to be overrun. Sometimes, it's better to call in artillery on your own position than to let the enemy take you. So, this story should die.

Actually, there are two prevailing theories as to why the Zionist Entity attacked USS Liberty.

1) They were trying to pull the US into the war on their side.

2) They were concerned the Liberty had picked up radio signals that proved the Zionists launched the war, and were not merely defending themselves.

The Israelis are not our friends. They are playing us for fools and have been since 1948.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I actually looked up the Dictabelt thing, and one of the first things that comes up is one of your crazy Manifestos.

Yeah, and you obviously didn't read my article on the dictabelt evidence, nor any of the sources I cite, such as the reports by the HSCA acoustical experts.

The United States Department of Justice reviewed the HSCA report and the National Academy of Science's study of the sound evidence. It reported to the Judiciary Committee on March 28, 1988, and rebuked the HSCA's conclusion of a probable conspiracy.

Oh, boy. The DOJ "study" was a joke. Nobody but a tiny fringe of Warren Commission apologists takes it seriously. Even most of them know it was a joke. The DOJ did not consult with a single acoustical expert in their "review" of the acoustical evidence, nor did they even address the echo-correlation evidence the HSCA scientists presented.

In 2003, an independent researcher named Michael O'Dell reported that both the National Academy and Dr. Thomas had used incorrect timelines because they subtracted time for repeated sections when the playback needle got stuck, but didn't realize that there were also forward skips. When corrected, these showed the impulses happened too late to be the real shots even with Thomas's alternative synchronization. He pointed out that the claim of a 95% or higher probability of a shot from the grassy knoll was logically incorrect. It was a 5% chance of finding a match in random noise and did not consider other possible causes.

O'Dell is an amateur, not an acoustical scientist, nor a scientist of any kind. O'Dell's nonsense was destroyed by the BBN scientists who reexamined the acoustical evidence in 2020. Dr. Josiah Thompson has several chapters on the BBN scientists' findings in his 2021 book Last Second in Dallas. BTW, all of the BBN scientists were acoustical scientists.

You'd know this if you had read my article.

A gentleman Named Sean Munger takes apart all the JFK Whackadoole conspiracy theories. Here's the biggest problem with any JFK Conspiracy theory. Nobody would concoct such a vast conspiracy, and then enlist a complete loser like Lee Harvey Oswald to be a part of it.

LOL! Okay, duly noted: You are part of the 33% minority of the Western world that still believes in the Warren Commission's version of the JFK assassination! Knock yourself out!

And, holy smokes, you, of all people, are in no position to be talking about "whackadoole conspiracy theories," given that you posit a vast international Jewish conspiracy that has controlled the U.S. Government for decades, among other zany theories you have floated.

FYI, Robert F. Kennedy and Edward Kennedy both believed that JFK had been killed by a conspiracy. We now know that even two members of the Warren Commission--Richard Russell and John Sherman Cooper--believed that there was more than one gunman and that Oswald was part of a conspiracy.

https://www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/transport_airplane/accidents/N93119#:~:text=%22The%20National%20Transportation%20Safety%20Board,air%20mixture%20in%20the%20tank.

Sigh. . . . So, obviously, once again, you didn't bother to read any of the sources I provided but went running to superficial websites that parrot what you want to believe. And isn't it odd that you accept the one U.S. Government investigation of the TWA 800 crash but you reject the six U.S. Government investigations of the USS Liberty incident?!

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined the cause of the accident was an explosion of the center wing fuel tank, resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air vapors in the tank. The source of ignition energy could not be determined with certainty. Of the ignition sources evaluated by the investigation, the most likely scenario was a combination of a latent fault of an electronic fuel quantity indicating system component within the fuel tank, combined with a short circuit or other fault outside of the tank. This scenario would result in a high-energy electrical arc within the fuel tank that could ignite the flammable vapors.

Snooze. Uh, yes, I'm familiar with the NSTB's theory. You failed to mention that they were never able to validate that theory with a single test. They tried over and over, manipulating right and left, and still could not duplicate the alleged spark in the center wing fuel tank.

And what is your explanation for the 100-plus eyewitnesses who saw a cylindrical object with an exhaust plume streaking toward TWA 800 seconds before it exploded? These witnesses were located in a wide area around the point of the explosion. Some of them were in aircraft or at sea, while most were on or near the coast. Most of them were unaware that others had seen the tube-like object streaking toward the airliner until later. Were they all seeing things?

Naw, guy, I only visit your whackadoodle website when I need a good laugh.

Coming from an anti-Semitic, Mao-loving wingnut, I'll take that as high praise.

It was an obvious attack.

"Obvious" only to you and a tiny minority of your fellow anti-Semites, who include neo-Nazis and jihadists. Just a reminder: every single U.S. Government investigation into the USS Liberty incident concluded it was an explainable, understandable accident.

The survivors of friendly fire incidents and/or their relatives are rarely reliable or objective, for understandable reasons. To this day, many family members of the victims of the 1994 Black Hawk shoot down incident insist the shootdown was deliberate and was intended to silence some of the passengers.

The Liberty's captain, Captain McGonagle, told the Navy Court of Inquiry that after the air attack he suspected the Israeli jets had fired on his ship accidentally, and that this was why he ordered his crew not to fire at the Israeli torpedo boats. But, as the years progressed, his view of the incident became more and more bitter and suspicious. Sadly, some of the Liberty survivors have associated with anti-Semitic groups who have fueled and stoked their venom toward Israel.

But the evidence is clear that the Israelis did not know the Liberty was American until after the torpedo boats fired on the Liberty (after the Liberty mistakenly fired on them first). In fact, for a time, the Israelis feared the Liberty was a Soviet ship. We also know that the Liberty's flag does not appear in any of the gun camera footage, and that intercepts of Israeli comms show the Israelis did not even suspect the ship was not Egyptian until after the air attack.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, and you obviously didn't read my article on the dictabelt evidence, nor any of the sources I cite, such as the reports by the HSCA acoustical experts.

Naw, man, I already told you, I don't read your whackadoodle crap unless I need a good laugh.

Oh, boy. The DOJ "study" was a joke. Nobody but a tiny fringe of Warren Commission apologists takes it seriously. Even most of them know it was a joke. The DOJ did not consult with a single acoustical expert in their "review" of the acoustical evidence, nor did they even address the echo-correlation evidence the HSCA scientists presented.

Guy, you people put an awful lot into a recording that was over a radio with 60 years old technology. The problem is there were a bunch of people on the Grassy Knoll, and no one saw a second gunman.

LOL! Okay, duly noted: You are part of the 33% minority of the Western world that still believes in the Warren Commission's version of the JFK assassination! Knock yourself out!

Because we've had 60 years of people promoting whackadoodle conspiracy theories.

I do have my own theory about why this kind of whackadoodle gets the traction it does. Because everyone wants to live on the timeline where JFK lived and they can insert the history they want where Vietnam and Watergate and the Decline of America didn't happen.

41% of Americans think humans and dinosaurs co-existed, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Truth isn't subject to a poll.

And, holy smokes, you, of all people, are in no position to be talking about "whackadoole conspiracy theories," given that you posit a vast international Jewish conspiracy that has controlled the U.S. Government for decades, among other zany theories you have floated.

Again, it's not a conspiracy when they do it in the open. We are deporting students because they dared to question the War in Gaza, rounding them up in the middle of the night. This is how much they have their hooks into our country.

FYI, Robert F. Kennedy and Edward Kennedy both believed that JFK had been killed by a conspiracy. We now know that even two members of the Warren Commission--Richard Russell and John Sherman Cooper--believed that there was more than one gunman and that Oswald was part of a conspiracy.

Then they were idiots. If you were starting a conspiracy, why in God's name would you recruit a loser like Oswald? A guy who pretty much failed at everything he did and proved himself incapable of following even simple instructions. And this is the guy who you'd entrust to what is essentially a coup to overthrow the American government?

Sigh. . . . So, obviously, once again, you didn't bother to read any of the sources I provided but went running to superficial websites that parrot what you want to believe. And isn't it odd that you accept the one U.S. Government investigation of the TWA 800 crash but you reject the six U.S. Government investigations of the USS Liberty incident?!

Um, yeah, actually, because I go by logic.

Logically, if it was shot down by a Missiles by accident, SOMEONE on that ship would have blown the whistle by now.
If it was a terrorist group firing a missile or planting a bomb, they'd have proudly taken credit for it.

Now, on the other hand, we KNOW the Zionists attacked the Liberty, this isn't even in dispute. We just disagree on why.

"Obvious" only to you and a tiny minority of your fellow anti-Semites, who include neo-Nazis and jihadists. Just a reminder: every single U.S. Government investigation into the USS Liberty incident concluded it was an explainable, understandable accident.

Showing how deep the Zionist hooks are into our government.

The Liberty's captain, Captain McGonagle, told the Navy Court of Inquiry that after the air attack he suspected the Israeli jets had fired on his ship accidentally, and that this was why he ordered his crew not to fire at the Israeli torpedo boats. But, as the years progressed, his view of the incident became more and more bitter and suspicious. Sadly, some of the Liberty survivors have associated with anti-Semitic groups who have fueled and stoked their venom toward Israel.

And after he left the service, he stated his belief the attacks (plural) were intentional.

Israel deserves all the venom it gets. It's a genocidal, apartheid state that has its hooks in our government.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Why does this story have such longevity? Accidents happen in war. I can't believe that Israelis intentionally attacked the United States naval vessel—that would make no sense. Why would they do that? At any rate, as I said, accidents happen in war. We have been known to kill our own people, sometimes intentionally, when our positions are about to be overrun. Sometimes, it's better to call in artillery on your own position than to let the enemy take you. So, this story should die.

The story has pretty much been dead for about 20 years now. Every now and then some USS Liberty conspiracy theorists will briefly make the news by holding a press conference or claiming to have new information, but for the most part the incident has been a non-issue for a long time because the evidence became clear years ago that the attack was an accident.

If you want to talk about a truly hard to fathom friendly fire incident, the USS Liberty attack is not nearly as baffling as the 1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident.

Actually, there are two prevailing theories as to why the Zionist Entity attacked USS Liberty.

Actually, there are three that your fellow anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists have floated.

1) They were trying to pull the US into the war on their side.

A nutty, illogical theory that even many of your fellow anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists don't advocate.

2) They were concerned the Liberty had picked up radio signals that proved the Zionists launched the war, and were not merely defending themselves.

Just LOL. This is the fringe of the fringe of such theories. The Liberty did not even arrive off the coast of El Arish until the fourth day of the Six-Day War! Yeah, whoops!

Only you and your fellow neo-Nazis, ISIS, Hamas, and the Iranian regime and that ilk have any doubt about how the Six-Day War started. Since you rely so heavily on Wikipedia, you might want to read Wikipedia's article on the Six-Day War--it actually does a decent job of explaining the events that led to the war.

The Israelis are not our friends. They are playing us for fools and have been since 1948.

Yes, we get it: You hate Jews and you hate Israel. You've also said there would have been no wars in the Middle East since 1948 if those vermin Jews and their vast international conspiracy had not arranged for the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. You insist you are not a Holocaust denier, and you occasionally condemn Hitler, yet you repeatedly spew some of the same ugly claims that Hitler and the Nazis made about Jews and that neo-Nazis and their jihadist allies still make. You endlessly repeat neo-Nazi and Hamas/ISIS/Iranian claims about Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, there are three that your fellow anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists have floated.

That's nice. Don't care what other people think.

A nutty, illogical theory that even many of your fellow anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists don't advocate.

Is it, though. The Jews are very intent on keeping us doing their fighting for them. I even knew Jews in College who said playing the Muslims and the Americans off against each other was their goal.

Just LOL. This is the fringe of the fringe of such theories. The Liberty did not even arrive off the coast of El Arish until the fourth day of the Six-Day War! Yeah, whoops!

You do realize that spy ships can pick up signals from hundreds or thousands of miles away, right?

Only you and your fellow neo-Nazis, ISIS, Hamas, and the Iranian regime and that ilk have any doubt about how the Six-Day War started. Since you rely so heavily on Wikipedia, you might want to read Wikipedia's article on the Six-Day War--it actually does a decent job of explaining the events that led to the war.

Yes, the Jews launched a dastardly sneak attack to steal more Arab land.

Yes, we get it: You hate Jews and you hate Israel. You've also said there would have been no wars in the Middle East since 1948 if those vermin Jews and their vast international conspiracy had not arranged for the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. You insist you are not a Holocaust denier, and you occasionally condemn Hitler, yet you repeatedly spew some of the same ugly claims that Hitler and the Nazis made about Jews and that neo-Nazis and their jihadist allies still make. You endlessly repeat neo-Nazi and Hamas/ISIS/Iranian claims about Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I think you are a little confused.

What Hitler did was horrible. But the way Jews screwed Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) after World War I definitely provoked that animosity. Top that off with the Followers of Zombie Jesus telling their faithful for 2000 years Jews killed their God-man and you have the makings of a disaster.

 

[mikegriffith1]

What Hitler did was horrible. But the way Jews screwed Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) after World War I definitely provoked that animosity.

OH. MY. WORD. So, according to you, the Jews got what they deserved! It was their fault! It was the Jews who screwed Germany after WWI, just as Hitler said! The Jews also screwed most of the rest of the Europe after the war, just as Hitler said! And these (fictional) crimes "definitely provoked" Hitler into feeling genocidal rage against the Jews!

You are a neo-Nazi.

In most other forums, you would have long since been banned. This latest display of your anti-Semitic hate includes your repetition of Nazi claims about Jews wrecking Germany and Europe after WWI, and finally includes your view, which I've long suspected you of holding, that the Jews provoked Hitler into murdering them.

 

[JoeB131]

OH. MY. WORD. So, according to you, the Jews got what they deserved! It was their fault! It was the Jews who screwed Germany after WWI, just as Hitler said! The Jews also screwed most of the rest of the Europe after the war, just as Hitler said! And these (fictional) crimes "definitely provoked" Hitler into feeling genocidal rage against the Jews!

You are a neo-Nazi.

In most other forums, you would have long since been banned. This latest display of your anti-Semitic hate includes your repetition of Nazi claims about Jews wrecking Germany and Europe after WWI, and finally includes your view, which I've long suspected you of holding, that the Jews provoked Hitler into murdering them.

Guy, stop going into hysterics.

Who were the revolutionaries who overthrew Kaiser Wilhelm? Um... they were Jews.

Who were the bankers who took advantage of Germany's economic devastation during the Weimar years?

Um, that's right. Jews.

Now, that didn't make it okay to kill them.

But you can kind of see why Germans (and other Europeans, because they had help) were kind of pissed off.

When you just ate the family pet to keep from starving in 1919, that could make you pretty mad.

Also, why does free speech frighten you so much?

 

[Street Juice]

Yesterday Candace Owens interviewed Phil Tourney, a survivor of the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli jets and attack boats. I read Tourney's book "Erasing the Liberty" about 10 years ago.

Owens' interview is spot on and most informative.



It turns out the first Israeli POTUS was Lyndon Johnson. As the Liberty came under attack a Navy carrier launched Phantoms to defend the Liberty. LBJ ordered the aircraft back to the carrier. Quite a shame.

I know this will make Litwin cry, but a Russian ship in nearby waters saw our sailors in the water and offered to come help with rescue efforts, but were turned down. Israel was still strafing them in the lifeboats.

 

[Litwin]

I know this will make Litwin cry, but a Russian ship in nearby waters saw our sailors in the water and offered to come help with rescue efforts, but were turned down. Israel was still strafing them in the lifeboats.

how much does this ho charge for a BJ?

The Black Sea Fleet was based mainly in Sevastopol, Odessa, and other cities in Ukraine.

A huge number of sailors in the Black Sea Fleet were indeed ethnic Ukrainians, especially since Ukraine was very populous and coastal.

So Ukrainians saved American sailors , much like Ukrainians saving FREE WORLD TODAY FROM ASIATIC BARBARISM today

we have been fighting the barbaric Mongoloid orient for the centuries , so we Litwins know the drill ... Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."—gonzague de reynold, 19501

In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovy policy.— thomas gomart, 20062

 

[Street Juice]

how much does this ho charge for a BJ?

The Black Sea Fleet was based mainly in Sevastopol, Odessa, and other cities in Ukraine.

A huge number of sailors in the Black Sea Fleet were indeed ethnic Ukrainians, especially since Ukraine was very populous and coastal.
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So Ukrainians saved American sailors , much like Ukrainians saving FREE WORLD TODAY FROM ASIATIC BARBARISM today

we have been fighting the barbaric Mongoloid orient for the centuries , so we Litwins know the drill ... Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."—gonzague de reynold, 19501

In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovy policy.— thomas gomart, 20062

Israel strafed our sailors in their lifeboats. June 8, 1967. You people are criminals. Judaism is a disease.

 

[Litwin]

You people are criminals.

i know ivan , at least since 1903

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia

ps I am not a Jew , but its ok, you can call me a Jew, if you want

 

[Street Juice]

i know ivan , at least since 1903

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia
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ps I am not a Jew , but its ok, you can call me a Jew, if you want

Viewing Israeli behaviour through the lens of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion – part 1

After a year of observing the utter criminality and inhumanity of Israel’s actions in the Middle East, I have decided to investigate the origins of its dark national/racial/religious ethos from historical documents.

huabinoliver.substack.com

 

[Litwin]

Viewing Israeli behaviour through the lens of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion – part 1

After a year of observing the utter criminality and inhumanity of Israel’s actions in the Middle East, I have decided to investigate the origins of its dark national/racial/religious ethos from historical documents.

huabinoliver.substack.com

thanks but no thanks

 

[Street Juice]

i know ivan , at least since 1903

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia
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ps I am not a Jew , but its ok, you can call me a Jew, if you want

Here's the English translation: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Let people decide for themselves. (The ADL forced Amazon to ban the book, which, of course, if it were actually a "forgery" as the Jews claim, they wouldn't bother doing. The Scarlet Letter was a "forgery" as well--i.e., fiction, but it was also true. Nobody bans The Scarlet Letter)

 

[Street Juice]

thanks but no thanks

 

[Litwin]

Here's the English translation: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Let people decide for themselves. (The ADL forced Amazon to ban the book, which, of course, if it were actually a "forgery" as the Jews claim, they wouldn't bother doing. The Scarlet Letter was a "forgery" as well--i.e., fiction, but it was also true. Nobody bans The Scarlet Letter)

maybe mikegriffith1 wants to take it from here; I'll pass

 

[Street Juice]

maybe mikegriffith1 wants to take it from here; I'll pass

Yeah I didn't think so. <blows the smoke, twirls guns, holsters them>

 

[PeterPilot]

Street Juice

What I find interesting is the comparison between the Star Of Moloch and the Star Of David. Virtually the same thing.

 

[mikegriffith1]

That's nice. Don't care what other people think.

Apparently so!

Is it, though. The Jews are very intent on keeping us doing their fighting for them. I even knew Jews in College who said playing the Muslims and the Americans off against each other was their goal.

Did you talk to these Jews after you attended one of your Students for Blaming the Holocaust on the Jews meetings?

You do realize that spy ships can pick up signals from hundreds or thousands of miles away, right?

Ouch. I'm a former signal intelligence analyst. 21 years of service. No, in the 1960s a SIGINT ship like the Liberty could not pick up tactical and HQ voice communications from thousands of miles away.

Yes, the Jews launched a dastardly sneak attack to steal more Arab land.

Of course they did, just as the neo-Nazis, Hamas, ISIS, and Hezbollah claim.

I think you are a little confused.

Nope, you just blurted out how you really feel.

What Hitler did was horrible. But the way Jews screwed Germany (and most of the rest of Europe) after World War I definitely provoked that animosity. Top that off with the Followers of Zombie Jesus telling their faithful for 2000 years Jews killed their God-man and you have the makings of a disaster.

So once again you claim that the Jews provoked Hitler's animosity! And here I thought you were going to try to back-pedal and weasel-word your way out of your neo-Nazi statement, but you've doubled-down on it!

Okay, yes, we are clear: You believe that Hitler did something terrible because those lousy vermin Jews provoked his animosity by screwing Germany and most of the rest of Europe after WWI. Got it. Duly noted.

As I said before, many other forums would have booted you by now.