US oil consumption

[skookerasbil]

@skookersabil

S0n.........no worries here. You're in a 2006 mindest for the gay. Far left websites promote crap like we're living in 2006 too. Turn that shit off s0n............

Once the Varsity is placed in charge again in 2013, oil production will go through the roof because the public will be demanding it. For sure, we'll be running at light speed from European energy policies and all the green BS will be put on the back burner.

The oil production in the US reached its peak value in 1970, since then the producion has decreased and it will still decrease. US gets more dependent on oil import from other countries every year.

By 2011 US imported 57% of all oil consumed. US imports most of its oil from Canada and Mexico, but 56% of all oil reserves are located in the middel-east. So the US have to crawl for the arab states, cause if the arab states decides to stop their oil exports to the US, the US economy will collapse.

The oil price will regulate the demand, for the first time the US oil consumption have started decreasing the later years becaues of higer gasoline prices. In the future the gasoline prices will increase even more.

But in the last years we have seen progress in the US because of the increased gasoline costs. However a very good idea is to put more taxes on gasoline to decrease the consumption even more. I think a minimum price of 6$/gallon would be a good start, it would almost halve the consumption. With that price most americans would be forced to park their cars and only use it when it is nescesccary

Well.....thankfully s0n.........thats about as politically feasible in 2011 as demanding Martin Luther King day be 86'd as a national holiday

This guy is waaaaaaaaaaaay fringe.........might find about 5% of the population agreeing with him.


Hey.......but welcome to the site s0n.........we love when a new k00k shows up around here. Sometimes, the handful of reliable k00ks that exist on this forum gets a bit boring ( see "Chris"....about as creative as a mass air flow sensor on an auto). We feel.........the more the merrier. So post away s0n..............

 

[Toro]

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

It is a violation of the TOS.

There are about three rules that can get you banned here. That's one of them.

 

[uscitizen]

@skookersabil

S0n.........no worries here. You're in a 2006 mindest for the gay. Far left websites promote crap like we're living in 2006 too. Turn that shit off s0n............

Once the Varsity is placed in charge again in 2013, oil production will go through the roof because the public will be demanding it. For sure, we'll be running at light speed from European energy policies and all the green BS will be put on the back burner.

The oil production in the US reached its peak value in 1970, since then the producion has decreased and it will still decrease. US gets more dependent on oil import from other countries every year.

By 2011 US imported 57% of all oil consumed. US imports most of its oil from Canada and Mexico, but 56% of all oil reserves are located in the middel-east. So the US have to crawl for the arab states, cause if the arab states decides to stop their oil exports to the US, the US economy will collapse.

The oil price will regulate the demand, for the first time the US oil consumption have started decreasing the later years becaues of higer gasoline prices. In the future the gasoline prices will increase even more.

But in the last years we have seen progress in the US because of the increased gasoline costs. However a very good idea is to put more taxes on gasoline to decrease the consumption even more. I think a minimum price of 6$/gallon would be a good start, it would almost halve the consumption. With that price most americans would be forced to park their cars and only use it when it is nescesccary

Whenever someone uses the "we are dependent on foreign oil" line I cringe...

Foreign oil is about as dubious a term as there is. First we have to realize that most of the actual discovery, drilling, refining, and selling or trading occurs either locally (refining, trade markets) or internationally by INTERNATIONAL CONGLOMERATES, corporations and funded by the other banks including the UN's World Bank. The UN itself is based in New York city but we do not even think of it as a US body now do we.

We are dependent on oil just as the rest of the world is, to maintain some silly idea that if its in the Middle East its foreign is just unrealistic in these modern times.

Matter of fact you have to look hard to find anything that is not made either fully or in part in another country these days. How can that be if there is still such a thing as "foreign oil"? Foreign oil is like the modern boogey man that politicians pull out to scare people.

Say the number 1 oil producing area declares war on us and stops supplying the markets what happens? Well we go in and take care of it and install a new government that sees it our way. We just did that recently maybe you all remember that? That's the reality of oil. Its no longer this or that countries property, not really. Its the worlds oil and has been since it became so important and scarce. Over the next few decades we will see the facade of national sovereignty crumble to dust, due to ever dwindling resources. There is no room for hording ones own resources, the world is too big and there are too many of us all needing the resources.

Man o man that was apologizing for apologists?
We will see the US crumbling.

 

[edjax1952]

The Sky is falling! The sky is falling! LOL

There is enough oil inside the US borders to provide us for quite a while. When oil does get scarce, and the environmentalists want some food delivered and have not figured out how to make all thier schemes to wean us from oil work, they will let up on harvesting our domestic oil. There are enough capped off oil and gas wells to start delivery next week and keep us going for a good long while. Then there are all the places we have not been able to drill where there is known oil. I think we have little to worry about for some time. We can and will find other energy sources, but I got a pretty good idea we will be OK in the mean time.

I also believe that whatever source we find next will be geared to the current highway systems. No need to re-invent the wheel just yet.

 

[Euro]

@gslack
[QUOTE
Dude you don't get it... You either read half what I said, or didn't understand it...

What part of global escapes you? You are thinking in one dimension and only seeing the one small aspect. Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, or anything else we can use to feed the energy requirements of the world, is no longer viewed as one countries property any longer. If the last batch of oil on the planet is under your house and we still need it, your house will be moved with or without your consent. When its a matter of survival personal property and rights are luxuries that the world will not have time for.

We have electric train lines here as well. New York, New Jersey, and other larger US cities have them and have had them for a long time. The problem is, England is the size of one or two US states, and we have 50 states. Outside large cities running electric rail lines gets more and more difficult. In Europe each country pays for their own rail lines and eventually they can connect to others and so on. Here each state will have to do that and given not every state is wealthy enough or warrants such a rail line you can hopefully see the problem. A state save a few of the very wealthy here, is no match for that of a sovereign nation, and that's just the beginning.

65 million people or there about live in France. Our most populated state here is California with about 37 million people. A little more than half that of France, and France is part of the Republic of France which includes outside Municipalities and provinces. All of these generate revenue for France. And that was our MOST populated State...

What you are asking for is the entire country to adopt electric railways like in Europe when Europe is full of Nations and we are full of States. Nations with far more people in each one than their are in our states. Who will pay for this mass electric railway revolution? The states which are going broke and suffering from the same economic woes our Federal government is? What about states like Wyoming with fewer than 200,000 people in them? Do they have to electric railway their state as well?

And lastly what will power this railway? Coal is the number electricity provider and its a fossil fuel and burning makes CO2 which is what you are wanting to avoid...

You people have all these fantasies that greenpeace and the liberal media feed you and no real grasp of the reality of it all. You are told "they got electric trains in france that goes all over the country" and since france is nowhere near as wealthy as we are we should have them too. And you dreamers just go with it. Sure if france can do it, maybe New York can. And if france, england, italy, and spain can all do it, maybe we can eletric train the east coast... Maybe... What about the rest of the country though?

Look, there is reality and then there is fantasy. Cutting back CO2 by cutting back on cars and replacing them with electric trains at massive costs in infrastructure and even more coal burning, is unrealistic and even worse for the environment..[/QUOTE]

Its impossible to say anything certain about the future, but the coal reserves and the natural gas reserves are larger than the oil reserves and they will last longer. US oil production peaked in 1970 and since then it has decreased every year, the worlds oil production will peak somewhere around 2020, from that year the oil production will start decreasing.

Oil will probobaly last for about 50 +years and the price will increase rapidly because of scarcity. Natural gas will last for about 200 years and coal will last for about 300 years so oil will have to be replaced by naturals gas and coal for a transition period while working on sustainable renewable sources. The oil price both in the US and the world will be so high that we will be forced to reduce the consumption. So their is no option we have to move awa from oil .

The largest potential for reduction in oil consumption is in the US where they consume about 1/4 of all oil.The NG price and coal will not rise as much as the oil price becuase we still have large reserves of coal and NG.

The use of train is most profittable in the freight industry, train is the absolute cheapest way to transport freights. The cheapest (MJ/per passenger/per kilometre) is also train. To save energy (reduce consumption) the us have to move away from the thouhgt tha every person should own his own car. However in places like Wyoming a train is not needed and for peolple living in very rural areas the car is the best and cheapest solution both for them and the society. But most of the US population lives in cities and urban areas and in thes areas their are a large potential for reduction in oil consumption. Take LA for instance, this place must have a large potential in reducing oil consumption by building metros,electric tramways more busses to substitute cars etc.

The solution is to build railroads that can compete with planes and substitute passenger transport and freight transport between large cities. And in cities like LA or Houston where car is the only option they should build metros,tramway,busses etc. To make/force people to not drive in cities and instead use public transportation a good solution would be to demand green-taxes on inner city driving and use the taxes to build better public transportation in cities like LA.

Here is a suggested map
wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Rail_07-09-2009.JPG

 

[Unkotare]

Stop with the Republican party line rhetoric already...

Sorry if reality does not conform to the liberal outlook and talking points - which you are parroting almost to a word.

You can't claim to be a vegetarian while munching on a hamburger, champ.

Really? Than why not quote my entire post then tool?

Get some sleep douchebag, you made an ass of yourself in two threads now. Im not a liberal and anyone who knows me here will tell you that...

Quoting part, rather than all of your comment is NOT "altering posts," and you running to Mommy for help when your own words reveal you for what you are is just pathetic. Just pathetic

 

[Unkotare]

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

I did not "change" one word that you said, and running to hide behind Mommy's skirts won't 'change' that fact one bit. If you don't like what your own words reveal about you, then choose them more carefully or admit to what you are. What a shameless display.

 

[Old Rocks]

Stop with the Republican party line rhetoric already...

Sorry if reality does not conform to the liberal outlook and talking points - which you are parroting almost to a word.

You can't claim to be a vegetarian while munching on a hamburger, champ.

Really? Than why not quote my entire post then tool?

Get some sleep douchebag, you made an ass of yourself in two threads now. Im not a liberal and anyone who knows me here will tell you that...

Ah, imagine that, G-string is a closet liberal. Who'd a thunk it? Next thing you know, he will have Greenpeace stickers on his front and back bumper.

 

[Unkotare]

Sorry if reality does not conform to the liberal outlook and talking points - which you are parroting almost to a word.

You can't claim to be a vegetarian while munching on a hamburger, champ.

Really? Than why not quote my entire post then tool?

Get some sleep douchebag, you made an ass of yourself in two threads now. Im not a liberal and anyone who knows me here will tell you that...

Ah, imagine that, G-string is a closet liberal. Who'd a thunk it? Next thing you know, he will have Greenpeace stickers on his front and back bumper.

His closet has a glass door. Very transparent.

 

[gslack]

@gslack
[QUOTE
Dude you don't get it... You either read half what I said, or didn't understand it...

What part of global escapes you? You are thinking in one dimension and only seeing the one small aspect. Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, or anything else we can use to feed the energy requirements of the world, is no longer viewed as one countries property any longer. If the last batch of oil on the planet is under your house and we still need it, your house will be moved with or without your consent. When its a matter of survival personal property and rights are luxuries that the world will not have time for.

We have electric train lines here as well. New York, New Jersey, and other larger US cities have them and have had them for a long time. The problem is, England is the size of one or two US states, and we have 50 states. Outside large cities running electric rail lines gets more and more difficult. In Europe each country pays for their own rail lines and eventually they can connect to others and so on. Here each state will have to do that and given not every state is wealthy enough or warrants such a rail line you can hopefully see the problem. A state save a few of the very wealthy here, is no match for that of a sovereign nation, and that's just the beginning.

65 million people or there about live in France. Our most populated state here is California with about 37 million people. A little more than half that of France, and France is part of the Republic of France which includes outside Municipalities and provinces. All of these generate revenue for France. And that was our MOST populated State...

What you are asking for is the entire country to adopt electric railways like in Europe when Europe is full of Nations and we are full of States. Nations with far more people in each one than their are in our states. Who will pay for this mass electric railway revolution? The states which are going broke and suffering from the same economic woes our Federal government is? What about states like Wyoming with fewer than 200,000 people in them? Do they have to electric railway their state as well?

And lastly what will power this railway? Coal is the number electricity provider and its a fossil fuel and burning makes CO2 which is what you are wanting to avoid...

You people have all these fantasies that greenpeace and the liberal media feed you and no real grasp of the reality of it all. You are told "they got electric trains in france that goes all over the country" and since france is nowhere near as wealthy as we are we should have them too. And you dreamers just go with it. Sure if france can do it, maybe New York can. And if france, england, italy, and spain can all do it, maybe we can eletric train the east coast... Maybe... What about the rest of the country though?

Look, there is reality and then there is fantasy. Cutting back CO2 by cutting back on cars and replacing them with electric trains at massive costs in infrastructure and even more coal burning, is unrealistic and even worse for the environment..

Its impossible to say anything certain about the future, but the coal reserves and the natural gas reserves are larger than the oil reserves and they will last longer. US oil production peaked in 1970 and since then it has decreased every year, the worlds oil production will peak somewhere around 2020, from that year the oil production will start decreasing.

Oil will probobaly last for about 50 +years and the price will increase rapidly because of scarcity. Natural gas will last for about 200 years and coal will last for about 300 years so oil will have to be replaced by naturals gas and coal for a transition period while working on sustainable renewable sources. The oil price both in the US and the world will be so high that we will be forced to reduce the consumption. So their is no option we have to move awa from oil .

The largest potential for reduction in oil consumption is in the US where they consume about 1/4 of all oil.The NG price and coal will not rise as much as the oil price becuase we still have large reserves of coal and NG.

The use of train is most profittable in the freight industry, train is the absolute cheapest way to transport freights. The cheapest (MJ/per passenger/per kilometre) is also train. To save energy (reduce consumption) the us have to move away from the thouhgt tha every person should own his own car. However in places like Wyoming a train is not needed and for peolple living in very rural areas the car is the best and cheapest solution both for them and the society. But most of the US population lives in cities and urban areas and in thes areas their are a large potential for reduction in oil consumption. Take LA for instance, this place must have a large potential in reducing oil consumption by building metros,electric tramways more busses to substitute cars etc.

The solution is to build railroads that can compete with planes and substitute passenger transport and freight transport between large cities. And in cities like LA or Houston where car is the only option they should build metros,tramway,busses etc. To make/force people to not drive in cities and instead use public transportation a good solution would be to demand green-taxes on inner city driving and use the taxes to build better public transportation in cities like LA.

Here is a suggested map
wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Rail_07-09-2009.JPG[/QUOTE]

Euro until you start quoting my posts correctly and stop mucking around with them I will not respond to your posts.. Its asinine we cannot see where your statements start and stop.

 

[gslack]

Sorry if reality does not conform to the liberal outlook and talking points - which you are parroting almost to a word.

You can't claim to be a vegetarian while munching on a hamburger, champ.

Really? Than why not quote my entire post then tool?

Get some sleep douchebag, you made an ass of yourself in two threads now. Im not a liberal and anyone who knows me here will tell you that...

Quoting part, rather than all of your comment is NOT "altering posts," and you running to Mommy for help when your own words reveal you for what you are is just pathetic. Just pathetic

NO douchebag I didn't go to the mod he saw it himself and did something about it all on his own. Ask him if I went to any mod at all... Its a TOS vioaltion which can get you banned moron, I didn't have to say anything. You edited my post and gave a false impression of what I said. YOU know it, I know it and the MOD knew it...

Want to cry go ahead, punk but next time you try and edit what people post on here to give a false impression, remember it will get you noticed by the mods...

You are an idiot...

 

[gslack]

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

I did not "change" one word that you said, and running to hide behind Mommy's skirts won't 'change' that fact one bit. If you don't like what your own words reveal about you, then choose them more carefully or admit to what you are. What a shameless display.

You left out parts that gave an unclear picture of what I DID say moron, you know you did it, and so did the mod... Want to cry about it? Go cry to the mod then punk...

 

[gslack]

Sorry if reality does not conform to the liberal outlook and talking points - which you are parroting almost to a word.

You can't claim to be a vegetarian while munching on a hamburger, champ.

Really? Than why not quote my entire post then tool?

Get some sleep douchebag, you made an ass of yourself in two threads now. Im not a liberal and anyone who knows me here will tell you that...

Ah, imagine that, G-string is a closet liberal. Who'd a thunk it? Next thing you know, he will have Greenpeace stickers on his front and back bumper.

Ah don't worry Greenpeace you aren't being replaced... Just got an issue with another retard, much like yourself.. Too ignorant to follow whats said and will try to cover it up any way he can...

 

[Unkotare]

Damn, do one have to explain everything to you, dumbass? I will be sixty eight this year. I will not be seeing the end of this century. In fact, it is doubtful that I will see the mid-century. A foot in my lifetime would be a foot by the mid 30's. That is a very large increase.

Retard, if you really think I care how old you are, you haven't been paying attention. My point was from the claimed 7 meters you guys claimed before to now a foot by the mid 30's. More of your moving of goal post. Before it was 7 meters if Greenland melted, then it was if greenland melted and by the turn of the century, now if you get a foot by the 2030's its all good...

Way to hold them to a standard socks...

Shall we discuss the fact that the overwhelming number of objective scientists disagree with you, Jester?

Why yes lets discuss the methods used by people like Oreskes who took papers that mentioned AGW theory regardless of the manner or how and called them pro, and called it a consensus.
Or why not talk about how AGW has become the magic funding money words in colleges across the country...

@skookersabil

S0n.........no worries here. You're in a 2006 mindest for the gay. Far left websites promote crap like we're living in 2006 too. Turn that shit off s0n............

Once the Varsity is placed in charge again in 2013, oil production will go through the roof because the public will be demanding it. For sure, we'll be running at light speed from European energy policies and all the green BS will be put on the back burner.

The oil production in the US reached its peak value in 1970, since then the producion has decreased and it will still decrease. US gets more dependent on oil import from other countries every year.

By 2011 US imported 57% of all oil consumed. US imports most of its oil from Canada and Mexico, but 56% of all oil reserves are located in the middel-east. So the US have to crawl for the arab states, cause if the arab states decides to stop their oil exports to the US, the US economy will collapse.

The oil price will regulate the demand, for the first time the US oil consumption have started decreasing the later years becaues of higer gasoline prices. In the future the gasoline prices will increase even more.

But in the last years we have seen progress in the US because of the increased gasoline costs. However a very good idea is to put more taxes on gasoline to decrease the consumption even more. I think a minimum price of 6$/gallon would be a good start, it would almost halve the consumption. With that price most americans would be forced to park their cars and only use it when it is nescesccary

Whenever someone uses the "we are dependent on foreign oil" line I cringe...

Foreign oil is about as dubious a term as there is. First we have to realize that most of the actual discovery, drilling, refining, and selling or trading occurs either locally (refining, trade markets) or internationally by INTERNATIONAL CONGLOMERATES, corporations and funded by the other banks including the UN's World Bank. The UN itself is based in New York city but we do not even think of it as a US body now do we.

We are dependent on oil just as the rest of the world is, to maintain some silly idea that if its in the Middle East its foreign is just unrealistic in these modern times.

Matter of fact you have to look hard to find anything that is not made either fully or in part in another country these days. How can that be if there is still such a thing as "foreign oil"? Foreign oil is like the modern boogey man that politicians pull out to scare people.

Say the number 1 oil producing area declares war on us and stops supplying the markets what happens? Well we go in and take care of it and install a new government that sees it our way. We just did that recently maybe you all remember that? That's the reality of oil. Its no longer this or that countries property, not really. Its the worlds oil and has been since it became so important and scarce. Over the next few decades we will see the facade of national sovereignty crumble to dust, due to ever dwindling resources. There is no room for hording ones own resources, the world is too big and there are too many of us all needing the resources.

Retard, if you really think I care how old you are, you haven't been paying attention. My point was from the claimed 7 meters you guys claimed before to now a foot by the mid 30's. More of your moving of goal post. Before it was 7 meters if Greenland melted, then it was if greenland melted and by the turn of the century, now if you get a foot by the 2030's its all good...

Way to hold them to a standard socks...

God, you closet liberal, you are an idiot! The figures were for 7 meters if all the ice in Greenland melts. And the time was not set, just stated as not anytime soon. The combined rise from both the Greenland Cap, and the Antarctic ice for the end of century has been estimated at 2 meters by the most 'alarmist' of the climatologists.

Someday, take some classes in comprehension.

Really?

Funny then cause I found this... Future Climate Change - Future Sea Level Changes | Science | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

The Greenland ice sheet contains enough ice to raise sea level about 7 meters (23 feet). Although it is already contributing to sea level rise (from melting), it does not contain the same instabilities as Antarctica that could result in a rapid collapse. Most model projections suggest a gradual melting over millennia related to sustained climate warming (IPCC, 2007).

That was from the EPA website... Also found this... Sea level rise | Greenpeace International

Climate models indicate that the local warming over Greenland is likely to be one to three times th global average. Ice sheet models project that a local warming of larger than 3°C [5.4°F], if sustained for millennia, would lead to virtually a complete melting of the Greenland ice sheet with a resulting sea-level rise of about 7 m [23 ft].

-- IPCC 3rd Assessment, Synthesis Report, Summary for Policy Makers

That was from your kind of place a Greenpeace website..

Al gore's film stated the same thing in his little film remember?
Oh I do and so do the rest of us asshole...

You can tap dance and lie all you want but you and I both know its BS. you moved the goalposts again... BUSTED AGAIN!

@gslack
[QUOTE
Dude you don't get it... You either read half what I said, or didn't understand it...

What part of global escapes you? You are thinking in one dimension and only seeing the one small aspect. Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, or anything else we can use to feed the energy requirements of the world, is no longer viewed as one countries property any longer. If the last batch of oil on the planet is under your house and we still need it, your house will be moved with or without your consent. When its a matter of survival personal property and rights are luxuries that the world will not have time for.

We have electric train lines here as well. New York, New Jersey, and other larger US cities have them and have had them for a long time. The problem is, England is the size of one or two US states, and we have 50 states. Outside large cities running electric rail lines gets more and more difficult. In Europe each country pays for their own rail lines and eventually they can connect to others and so on. Here each state will have to do that and given not every state is wealthy enough or warrants such a rail line you can hopefully see the problem. A state save a few of the very wealthy here, is no match for that of a sovereign nation, and that's just the beginning.

65 million people or there about live in France. Our most populated state here is California with about 37 million people. A little more than half that of France, and France is part of the Republic of France which includes outside Municipalities and provinces. All of these generate revenue for France. And that was our MOST populated State...

What you are asking for is the entire country to adopt electric railways like in Europe when Europe is full of Nations and we are full of States. Nations with far more people in each one than their are in our states. Who will pay for this mass electric railway revolution? The states which are going broke and suffering from the same economic woes our Federal government is? What about states like Wyoming with fewer than 200,000 people in them? Do they have to electric railway their state as well?

And lastly what will power this railway? Coal is the number electricity provider and its a fossil fuel and burning makes CO2 which is what you are wanting to avoid...

You people have all these fantasies that greenpeace and the liberal media feed you and no real grasp of the reality of it all. You are told "they got electric trains in france that goes all over the country" and since france is nowhere near as wealthy as we are we should have them too. And you dreamers just go with it. Sure if france can do it, maybe New York can. And if france, england, italy, and spain can all do it, maybe we can eletric train the east coast... Maybe... What about the rest of the country though?

Look, there is reality and then there is fantasy. Cutting back CO2 by cutting back on cars and replacing them with electric trains at massive costs in infrastructure and even more coal burning, is unrealistic and even worse for the environment..

Its impossible to say anything certain about the future, but the coal reserves and the natural gas reserves are larger than the oil reserves and they will last longer. US oil production peaked in 1970 and since then it has decreased every year, the worlds oil production will peak somewhere around 2020, from that year the oil production will start decreasing.

Oil will probobaly last for about 50 +years and the price will increase rapidly because of scarcity. Natural gas will last for about 200 years and coal will last for about 300 years so oil will have to be replaced by naturals gas and coal for a transition period while working on sustainable renewable sources. The oil price both in the US and the world will be so high that we will be forced to reduce the consumption. So their is no option we have to move awa from oil .

The largest potential for reduction in oil consumption is in the US where they consume about 1/4 of all oil.The NG price and coal will not rise as much as the oil price becuase we still have large reserves of coal and NG.

The use of train is most profittable in the freight industry, train is the absolute cheapest way to transport freights. The cheapest (MJ/per passenger/per kilometre) is also train. To save energy (reduce consumption) the us have to move away from the thouhgt tha every person should own his own car. However in places like Wyoming a train is not needed and for peolple living in very rural areas the car is the best and cheapest solution both for them and the society. But most of the US population lives in cities and urban areas and in thes areas their are a large potential for reduction in oil consumption. Take LA for instance, this place must have a large potential in reducing oil consumption by building metros,electric tramways more busses to substitute cars etc.

The solution is to build railroads that can compete with planes and substitute passenger transport and freight transport between large cities. And in cities like LA or Houston where car is the only option they should build metros,tramway,busses etc. To make/force people to not drive in cities and instead use public transportation a good solution would be to demand green-taxes on inner city driving and use the taxes to build better public transportation in cities like LA.

Here is a suggested map
wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Rail_07-09-2009.JPG

Euro until you start quoting my posts correctly and stop mucking around with them I will not respond to your posts.. Its asinine we cannot see where your statements start and stop.[/QUOTE]

Your centrally planned economic schemes are NOT gonna fly in the US, comrade.

p.s. Did I quote enough for you, sweetheart? Are your nerves calm? No need to run to Mommy again?

 

[gslack]

Throw your tantrum baby..... Awww.... Cry pretty for us....

Did you ask the mod If I went to him? NO?

LOL, you are nailed being a douchebag and you act like an even bigger douchebag for it? Classic!

 

[Unkotare]

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

I did not "change" one word that you said, and running to hide behind Mommy's skirts won't 'change' that fact one bit. If you don't like what your own words reveal about you, then choose them more carefully or admit to what you are. What a shameless display.

You left out parts that gave an unclear picture of what I DID say moron, you know you did it, and so did the mod... Want to cry about it? Go cry to the mod then punk...

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

I did not "change" one word that you said, and running to hide behind Mommy's skirts won't 'change' that fact one bit. If you don't like what your own words reveal about you, then choose them more carefully or admit to what you are. What a shameless display.

You left out parts that gave an unclear picture of what I DID say moron, you know you did it, and so did the mod... Want to cry about it? Go cry to the mod then punk...

DO NOT edit my posts like that again. That was a dishonest and blatant attempt to change what I said and cover parts of what I did say.

Thats lying and I am pretty sure doing it to the extent you did is a rules violation here...

Editing peoples post to change what they meant is a douchebag tactic...

I did not "change" one word that you said, and running to hide behind Mommy's skirts won't 'change' that fact one bit. If you don't like what your own words reveal about you, then choose them more carefully or admit to what you are. What a shameless display.

You left out parts that gave an unclear picture of what I DID say moron, you know you did it, and so did the mod... Want to cry about it? Go cry to the mod then punk...

Did Mommy give you a cookie, widdle one? Did that stop your cwying, widdle one? Do you feel safer now, widdle one?

What a ******* pathetic excuse for a man.

 

[Unkotare]

Throw your tantrum baby..... Awww.... Cry pretty for us....

Did you ask the mod If I went to him? NO?

LOL, you are nailed being a douchebag and you act like an even bigger douchebag for it? Classic!

Who went crying to Mommy? You *****.

 

[gslack]

Throw your tantrum baby..... Awww.... Cry pretty for us....

Did you ask the mod If I went to him? NO?

LOL, you are nailed being a douchebag and you act like an even bigger douchebag for it? Classic!

Who went crying to Mommy? You *****.

YOU ARE THE ONE BEING A CRYBABY PUNK....

I did not go to a mod, ask him if you want to. I have never gone to a mod on here and certainly wouldn't bother them with an obvious shut-in on more than a 24 hour run on here.

Get over it pal, you were told it was a TOS violation by me AND another poster on here, and ya got nailed for it by a mod. Don't like it? Cry to them, I didn't go to them ask them if you don't believe me. Hell I don't care....

But your little tantrum sure is funny so please continue...

 

[Unkotare]

Let's try this, you ******* *****. Answer these questions - no quotes to be scared of - if you aren't too upset, you ******* *****.


Do you believe that Iraq's oil is not really Iraq's oil?

Are you pro-abortion? (don't give me this 'pro choice' crap. everyone knows what it really means)

Do you think that the Patriot Act and other efforts taken since 9/11 are really a nefarious scheme by the government to steal our rights?

You can answer 'yes' or 'no,' or you can spin and make yourself even more transparent.

Is that ok, sweetheart? No quotes to make you cwy widdle one? No need to wun to Mommy?

 

[Unkotare]

Throw your tantrum baby..... Awww.... Cry pretty for us....

Did you ask the mod If I went to him? NO?

LOL, you are nailed being a douchebag and you act like an even bigger douchebag for it? Classic!

Who went crying to Mommy? You *****.

YOU ARE THE ONE BEING A CRYBABY PUNK

You really think you can salvage any pride now, you *****?

I get a neg rep from you with the same whine that is repeated word-for-word in a PM by the Mommyrator, but you never said aaaaaaanything...

Lying about it now just makes you look like even more of a ******* *****.