The US's dependence on oil is counterintuitive.

[Soupnazi630]

And the blade life is just a few years. They are clogging landfills.

Green, huh?

From what I have seen in some documentaries they often do not bother taking them to landfills.

They just pile them up on the ground next to the turbines they were removed from in the first place

Apparently they are made of exotic polymers and resins ( which means oil ) . They take forever to decompose and cannot be recycled. No one knows what to do with the damnthings and yes they have to be replaced many times over on each turbine.

 

[toobfreak]

But if you have a solar array on your roof and large batteries to store solar energy, and live in the desert then charging an electric car makes sense. Few have such systems and live in a desert.

That is right, if you live in a very sunny location and have the budget to invest, solar is definitely an attractive option to augment or replace your electricity.

I'm an engineer by training. Solar can eventually produce a lot of energy, but at the moment it will never be anything but supplemental. Much of the world is resigning to the fact that we need to start using nuclear energy again, maybe with alternative radioactive isotopes that aren't useful in weapons and are much safer than uranium. Thorium comes to mind. Anyway, the universe is awash in excessive energy, we just can't economically tap into it.

Well, solar is there. It can be tapped for /something./ I think someone figured out that if we built a solar panel about the size of the state of NM, we could run off pure solar. Of course, that is one big panel.

Still, regardless of weather, the Sun heats the atmosphere and we can tap off that heat. The Earth radiates heat from rare earth decay. All of these can be tapped to slow the use of fossil fuels. We can improve wind turbines to look better and not kill birds, we can improve panels to be 5-15% more efficient, there are new, lighter, cheaper, safer batteries coming, and there are many other alternate forms of energy possible, including maybe hydrogen and fusion.

 

[BlindBoo]

ICE vehicles replaced horses and carriages naturally because ICE vehicles were the superior product. EV's are not superior to ICE vehicles at this point for all current uses.

States have mandated the end of sales of new ICE vehicles by the 2030's. That isn't forcing?

Just like Benedict Donald's attempt to kneecap the renewable industry, the efforts to outlaw sales of internal combustion engines faces significant legal and cultural hurdles.

 

[sartre play]

Your thinking that forcing electric vehicles on people is the right thing to do counterintuitive, which is what the Chinese government can do to its own people.

NO, FORCE.. encourage, build better, back up what is built.
SLOW but Constance growth in areas that save resorces.

 

[Nostra]

From what I have seen in some documentaries they often do not bother taking them to landfills.

They just pile them up on the ground next to the turbines they were removed from in the first place

Apparently they are made of exotic polymers and resins ( which means oil ) . They take forever to decompose and cannot be recycled. No one knows what to do with the damnthings and yes they have to be replaced many times over on each turbine.

And each windmill has about 500 gallons of oil in it for lubrication.

OP is a moron.

 

[sartre play]

But Teslas are Nazi,

Nuclear energy and EVs would help.

Petroleum based products sure create energy for lots of things.

When lefty elites stop flying private jets, I will believe they want less oil consumption.

Lefties believe oil is bad. Nuclear is bad. EVs are bad.

They think they will go into the AI revolution using solar panels and wind turbines.

If we figure out fusion, lefties will claim it is bad.

Cant stop the blame game, like saying the left side of the isle is the Only POLITICAL PARTY flying planes.
That focus on ONLY certain things is not fact.
Better to
Work from Every angle to create or conserve

 

[martybegan]

Just like Benedict Donald's attempt to kneecap the renewable industry, the efforts to outlaw sales of internal combustion engines faces significant legal and cultural hurdles.

Not kneecap, stop subsidizing it when it can't deliver on its promises at this point.

 

[martybegan]

NO, FORCE.. encourage, build better, back up what is built.
SLOW but Constance growth in areas that save resorces.

A law banning the sale of ICE vehicles after a certain date is forcing.

 

[BlindBoo]

And each windmill has about 500 gallons of oil in it for lubrication.

OP is a moron.

Lubrication? Does that release a lot of carbon?

Oil is never going away, however.

 

[sartre play]

Lefties, cease using all oil derived products. Dont be hypocritical.

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Nothing wrong with oil, Nothing wrong with trying new or different things.
Just take a pass on forcing.

 

[BlindBoo]

Not kneecap, stop subsidizing it when it can't deliver on its promises at this point.

But continue the subsidies and incentives for petroleum production?

In reality the attempts to kneecap either has been mostly unsuccessful.

The Lone Star State is demonstrating an affordable and reliable path to achieving American energy resilience that prioritizes practicality over ideology, writes Amperon CEO Sean Kelly.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/texas-is-winning-the-energy-war-by-ignoring-the-politics/805887/

But while the federal government continues picking winners and losers among energy technologies, Texas demonstrates an affordable and reliable path to achieving American energy resilience that repeatedly prioritizes practicality over ideology.

With no fuel costs, solar operates at a low marginal cost, pushing market prices down. Thanks to ERCOT’s competitive market structure, wholesale cost savings make their way not just to investors but also to customers.

The dynamics are the same for wind power, but the development of new wind generation hasn’t moved as quickly as solar has in recent years. Combined, though, wind and solar can now supply up to nearly half of ERCOT’s total electricity demand, which makes the market less reactive to increases in the cost of natural gas. The rapid installation of battery storage is also expanding the impact of low-cost renewables by storing and discharging excess generation during other times of high demand.

 

[sartre play]

Renewables are still a LONG way off. We would need to find a way to increase their efficiency by 20x before it becomes viable.

It would take about 1200 wind turbines to generate the same electricity that a single nuclear power plant could make. That would take up to 80 square miles of land

We still need to keep trying and looking for new things.
Just trashing things based on political party's wants, builds nothing new or better

 

[Hafar1014]

Countries with emerging economies in need of more power will ask why they shouldn't use the cheapest, dirtiest forms of power generation available and comply with the Paris standards when the US isn't.................................thanks to Dotard.

Chinas depends on coal for energy. Renewables are destroying the economies of Europe. States that have the most renewables have the highest energy costs and must buy surplus energy from other states at high cost.
European manufacturers are shifting production to the U.S. due to record-high energy costs, regulatory burdens, and attractive incentives like the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). This industrial exodus is driven by the need for lower operating costs and market stability, causing a significant rise in investment in the American market.
NPR +3
Key Drivers for the Shift

• Energy Costs: High energy prices in Europe, accelerated by energy shortages, make production far cheaper in the U.S..
• Government Incentives: The U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) offers massive tax credits and subsidies for green technology, manufacturing, and clean energy, drawing European firms.
• Economic Disparity: While Europe has experienced industrial decline, the U.S. is seen as offering a more stable economic environment with lower operating costs.
• Market Growth & Access: European firms, such as in the automotive and pharmaceutical sectors, are prioritizing the U.S. to serve customers better and grow sales, as nearly a fifth of EU listed company sales are in America.
  NPR +5

Impact on European Industry

• De-industrialization: Europe has lost nearly a million manufacturing jobs over the last four years, notes this research by ETUC.
• Key Sector Losses: Industries like steel, automotive, and chemicals are particularly affected, notes a report by Wood Mackenzie.
• Reduced Competitiveness: The shift highlights worries about losing competitiveness and innovation, especially in the automotive sector, where companies face pressure on profits and supply chains, explains this YouTube video and this article from The Conversation.
  Wood Mackenzie +4

The trend represents a "Corporate Exodus," as described in this YouTube video, where traditional European companies are forced to prioritize profitability by choosing lower-cost American locations for their long-term survival.
The German Autopreneur +2

 

[sartre play]

Nobody was "forcing" electric vehicles on people. You're the like the morons who, seeing an automobile on the streets would yell "Get a horse!".

You'd be wailing about all of the blacksmiths and carriage makers being put out of work, and screaming that cars will never be practical until there are gas stations on every corner. Run out of gas in the middle of nowhere and then what do you do.

Green energy is the future, and Donald Trump is taking your economy backwards.

Exploring ALL possible helpful resorces. NO force towards one way only.

 

[martybegan]

But continue the subsidies and incentives for petroleum production?

In reality the attempts to kneecap either has been mostly unsuccessful.

The Lone Star State is demonstrating an affordable and reliable path to achieving American energy resilience that prioritizes practicality over ideology, writes Amperon CEO Sean Kelly.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/texas-is-winning-the-energy-war-by-ignoring-the-politics/805887/

But while the federal government continues picking winners and losers among energy technologies, Texas demonstrates an affordable and reliable path to achieving American energy resilience that repeatedly prioritizes practicality over ideology.

With no fuel costs, solar operates at a low marginal cost, pushing market prices down. Thanks to ERCOT’s competitive market structure, wholesale cost savings make their way not just to investors but also to customers.

The dynamics are the same for wind power, but the development of new wind generation hasn’t moved as quickly as solar has in recent years. Combined, though, wind and solar can now supply up to nearly half of ERCOT’s total electricity demand, which makes the market less reactive to increases in the cost of natural gas. The rapid installation of battery storage is also expanding the impact of low-cost renewables by storing and discharging excess generation during other times of high demand.

Which one provides for more energy security at the current time?

You forgot to provide the disclaimer on the ERCOT thing to "during the day, when it's sunny, and when the winds aren't still or to strong" or any combination of the above.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Cant stop the blame game, like saying the left side of the isle is the Only POLITICAL PARTY flying planes.
That focus on ONLY certain things is not fact.
Better to
Work from Every angle to create or conserve

This is absolutely true, but let's not forget that the left is Anti-everything done by Trump or the GOP. If Trump were to say we have to invest in solar energy the left would freak out and start pushing for Oil Everywhere. If Trump were to push for legalized abortion the left would all become puritan christians and start protesting the abortion clinics. Any progress is now blocked by the opposing party. Its no wonder China, with just one party, can build an entire city in a month and it takes our government a year to fill in a pothole.

 

[BlindBoo]

Which one provides for more energy security at the current time?

You forgot to provide the disclaimer on the ERCOT thing to "during the day, when it's sunny, and when the winds aren't still or to strong" or any combination of the above.

Which one will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and fluctuating global oil prices.

Why can't we support both?

 

[sartre play]

This is absolutely true, but let's not forget that the left is Anti-everything done by Trump or the GOP. If Trump were to say we have to invest in solar energy the left would freak out and start pushing for Oil Everywhere. If Trump were to push for legalized abortion the left would all become puritan christians and start protesting the abortion clinics. Any progress is now blocked by the opposing party. Its no wonder China, with just one party, can build an entire city in a month and it takes our government a year to fill in a pothole.

YES, MY WAY or hit the highway is not helping any one.

 

[hadit]

You didn't know?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has spoken openly about his 14-year struggle with heroin addiction, which began in his teens following the assassination of his father and lasted until he was 29. He has stated that he has been in recovery for over 40 years.

Someone who has beaten heroin for over 40 years after using for 14 is what in your eyes? In mine, they're pretty amazing.

 

[martybegan]

Which one will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and fluctuating global oil prices.

Why can't we support both?

Because one side is trying to destroy any type of energy production except their cherished solar and wind?

Even with grid storage solar and wind simply can't provide the base load resiliency steam turbine based generation like oil, coal, gas hydro and nuclear can provide.