US oil consumption

[edjax1952]

The government paid for the line, but since the service (high speed train) is not profittable and demands a large investment cost ($32 billion dollar) it wil not happen in a market with "free competition" without state controll.[quote/]

I personally, and I think many will agree, that we do not want to give up our 'free competition' style of government. I tire of people wanting us to be like Europe or China or Russia because it is so much better. Live there if you like. I live here and like it as a free enterprise country.

But with Obama youre on the right track he is a sensible man, with a more pragmatic wiev on things than hes predecessor George Bush.

We're on the right track to be more like Europe; to be more within state control; to be more socialistic? These are things most American have fought against, even with their lives. We will continue to fight against it. We do not want to be like Europe.

 

[Euro]

If you live in an area that has good public transport, than why drive your own car for regular short trips, especially if you live in a large metro area where traffic is an issue. Its a waste of time, money, and will save you a lot of headache driving in big city traffic.

However, if you live in a more rural or less populated area, public transport is often times either non-existent or completely impractical.

My point being, making a call for public transport is only a legitimate argument in areas and social situations that allow for it. Kind of hard to expect Joe Iowa farmer to ride a bus, and what about Bob the contractor or construction worker? Not exactly doable for him no matter where he lives. Can't take all the tools he will need on a bus or subway.

Of course, but public transport is practically non-existing in the US compared to europe and especially China.
In China you can take a high speed train from Shanghai to Beijing ( 1 318 km) using 4 hours. A distance that is comparable to NYC-Chicago (1 270 km).
The government paid for the line, but since the service (high speed train) is not profittable and demands a large investment cost ($32 billion dollar) it wil not happen in a market with "free competition" without state controll.
Even Russia are building electric trains in Siberia a area that is rural. They can do it because they state have large incomes (oil,gas) that privat persons would have in the US:

That will make US missing a lot of good/welfare services that no-one wants to start up because it is not profittable and has a large investment cost.
Wouldnt it be great to take a high speed train from Chicago to NY that takes about 4 hours instead of a plane using about the same time for city-center to city-center?
The train line itself will cause a lot of benefits eg. transport of freights. The benefits having a electric train is large, youll get higher top speed, faster accelaration, larger capacity. No diesel train can compete with that without having an engine the size of a ship-motor.

But since you have a free market economy you will lack good services like that. And if you get sick you will have to pay for it, I once read about a person that got a snke-bite in the US he had to pay 140.000$ in a mixed economy system he would have paid 0.
But with Obama youre on the right track he is a sensible man, with a more pragmatic wiev on things than hes predecessor George Bush.

Both China and Russia have less personal vehicles owned by private citizens. China has A lot more people, and you didn't specify where the trains were going to or from in Siberia...

Both governments are socialists/communists.. Meaning there is no real private ownership of property. Which means the actual people themselves do not have the ability or funds to pay for their own medical treatment nor a car they can use to drive across the country. And for that matter I am pretty sure you will need governmental permission to do the traveling anyway.

Socialism/communism and all its flavors are what I call the grand illusion of equality. They do not bring the masses up to the same levels, but rather place them at mutual poverty. The illusion is in the belief that everyone in the "ism" is better because they are all the same now.

"East Siberian Railway, an electrified high-class railroad with modern means of communication, electric interlocking of railroad switches, and remote dispatching system. This section of the railway provided a new access to Kuzbass, Kazakhstan, and Central Asia from the regions of the Russian Far East and Siberia. In the early 1970s, they finished the construction of the northbound line from the Khrebtovaya railway station to Ust-Ilimsk Hydroelectric Powerplant (214 km/133 mi)."
Im not very strong in russian geography but i found this on wikipedia

You should have a balance between a free market and a monopoly. Some buisness such as power,oil that will give the state large incomes. This incomes can be spent on providing services that no one wil start up in the US because they are not profittable. For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money, if youd had a better quality on the public schools you would have produced more talented and skilled workers that could have been useful in creating growth. I had mates that were exchange students in the US, they said the quality were poor compared to europe.

So if youd spent more money on public education you would have produced more skilled workers. For instance the US lacks 1.75 million engineers. The engineers are those that create the economic growth. Why do you think the US lacks 1.75 million enginereers thats because of poor public schools that cant offer good courses that could have created skilled workers.

I belive that a mix between a free market and some goverment owned companies is the best way to run a state. Socialism alone has a lot of benefits and so does a free market, but with a mixed system you can maximise the benefits and eliminate the disadvanteges for both systems.

 

[Euro]

The government paid for the line, but since the service (high speed train) is not profittable and demands a large investment cost ($32 billion dollar) it wil not happen in a market with "free competition" without state controll.[quote/]

I personally, and I think many will agree, that we do not want to give up our 'free competition' style of government. I tire of people wanting us to be like Europe or China or Russia because it is so much better. Live there if you like. I live here and like it as a free enterprise country.

But with Obama youre on the right track he is a sensible man, with a more pragmatic wiev on things than hes predecessor George Bush.

We're on the right track to be more like Europe; to be more within state control; to be more socialistic? These are things most American have fought against, even with their lives. We will continue to fight against it. We do not want to be like Europe.

In europe we mix the best from socialism with the best from free market theory, why is that wrong?
For instance if you get a snake-bite you we will get a bill on 140.000$ that would put you in debt for a long time, wouldnt that be bad. It is also bad for a country to have a lot of sick people because they cant pay for medical treatment. That will decrease the countries economic growth to have large groups of sick people that could have been good productive workers instead of sick.

 

[Unkotare]

For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money.

No they don't. You clearly understand nothing about America and your euro-centric bias absolutely does not fit.

 

[Unkotare]

In europe we mix the best from socialism with the best from free market theory, why is that wrong?.

Funny, I've been told by more than a few people from europe that you have the worst of both (of course they weren't on an American forum trying to push some ridiculous euro-paradise agenda...).

 

[Euro]

For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money.

No they don't. You clearly understand nothing about America and your euro-centric bias absolutely does not fit.

Yes they do, because if you get higher quality on the education for the whole poulation you will get more international competitive because of more skille workers.
The better education the more competitive and you can sell your services more exepensive and more people can contribute to economic growth.

What shall america do to get 1.75 million new engineers that are needed to create growth without investing in better public education. Im sure their are a lot of talented people among the poor people that never gets the cahnce to go to good school because their parents are poor.
You use socialism to create more people that can compete in a free market, isnt that a good mix?

 

[Meister]

For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money.

No they don't. You clearly understand nothing about America and your euro-centric bias absolutely does not fit.

Yes they do, because if you get higher quality on the education for the whole poulation you will get more international competitive because of more skille workers.
The better education the more competitive and you can sell your services more exepensive and more people can contribute to economic growth.

What shall america do to get 1.75 million new engineers that are needed to create growth without investing in better public education. Im sure their are a lot of talented people among the poor people that never gets the cahnce to go to good school because their parents are poor.
You use socialism to create more people that can compete in a free market, isnt that a good mix?

In the US, more money doesn't equate to a better education, it means more money for administration and unions.
Euro, your a strange duck.

 

[Unkotare]

For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money.

No they don't. You clearly understand nothing about America and your euro-centric bias absolutely does not fit.

Yes they do,

No, they don't. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Take your ignorance and socialist agenda and get lost.

 

[Euro]

No they don't. You clearly understand nothing about America and your euro-centric bias absolutely does not fit.

Yes they do,

No, they don't. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Take your ignorance and socialist agenda and get lost.

I consider myself as a socialliberalist not a socialist.
But however if you cant respond to my arguments rhetoricaly without getting upset I can only considert it as I am right.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes they do,

No, they don't. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Take your ignorance and socialist agenda and get lost.

I consider myself as a socialliberalist not a socialist.
But however if you cant respond to my arguments rhetoricaly without getting upset I can only considert it as I am right.

Consider yourself whatever you want. Your ignorant assumptions do not apply to my country no matter how badly you want them to.

 

[Euro]

No, they don't. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Take your ignorance and socialist agenda and get lost.

I consider myself as a socialliberalist not a socialist.
But however if you cant respond to my arguments rhetoricaly without getting upset I can only considert it as I am right.

Consider yourself whatever you want. Your ignorant assumptions do not apply to my country no matter how badly you want them to.

I think Obama does a good job and applies many good ideas, but i feel kinda sorry for him that has to clean up in all the shit caused by Bush.

 

[Meister]

I consider myself as a socialliberalist not a socialist.
But however if you cant respond to my arguments rhetoricaly without getting upset I can only considert it as I am right.

Consider yourself whatever you want. Your ignorant assumptions do not apply to my country no matter how badly you want them to.

I think Obama does a good job and applies many good ideas, but i feel kinda sorry for him that has to clean up in all the shit caused by Bush.

He's not cleaning up anything. Gitmo is still open, were still in the 2 countries that Bush got us into. He shoved obamacare down eveyone's throat through bribes. He's got us up to 14+ trillion of debt. You have really set your bar low....

 

[Euro]

Consider yourself whatever you want. Your ignorant assumptions do not apply to my country no matter how badly you want them to.

I think Obama does a good job and applies many good ideas, but i feel kinda sorry for him that has to clean up in all the shit caused by Bush.

He's not cleaning up anything. Gitmo is still open, were still in the 2 countries that Bush got us into. He shoved obamacare down eveyone's throat through bribes. He's got us up to 14+ trillion of debt. You have really set your bar low....

One thing I dont understand is how can a person be a against free medical treatment, even the "american inspired" parites in europe support free medical help.
But I think that Obama should increase the taxes to give the state more income and reduce the debts, why has he not done that?

 

[Unkotare]

This "euro" is just a character putting on a troll and trying to get a rise.

 

[Meister]

I think Obama does a good job and applies many good ideas, but i feel kinda sorry for him that has to clean up in all the shit caused by Bush.

He's not cleaning up anything. Gitmo is still open, were still in the 2 countries that Bush got us into. He shoved obamacare down eveyone's throat through bribes. He's got us up to 14+ trillion of debt. You have really set your bar low....

One thing I dont understand is how can a person be a against free medical treatment, even the "american inspired" parites in europe support free medical help.
But I think that Obama should increase the taxes to give the state more income and reduce the debts, why has he not done that?

Let's make one thing perfectly clear, Euro, there is no such thing as "free medical treatment". Not one country has "free medical treatment".
The problem with Obama is that he just wants to raise taxes on the top 5% that are paying 70% of the taxes now. The bottom 47% doesn't pay taxes and a percentage of those get money from our government called "Earned Income Credit".
I don't think that raising taxes will equate with reducing the debt with our government, it will more than likely equate to more spending.

 

[Unkotare]

Don't bother. He's just someone's sock out for a troll.

 

[gslack]

Of course, but public transport is practically non-existing in the US compared to europe and especially China.
In China you can take a high speed train from Shanghai to Beijing ( 1 318 km) using 4 hours. A distance that is comparable to NYC-Chicago (1 270 km).
The government paid for the line, but since the service (high speed train) is not profittable and demands a large investment cost ($32 billion dollar) it wil not happen in a market with "free competition" without state controll.
Even Russia are building electric trains in Siberia a area that is rural. They can do it because they state have large incomes (oil,gas) that privat persons would have in the US:

That will make US missing a lot of good/welfare services that no-one wants to start up because it is not profittable and has a large investment cost.
Wouldnt it be great to take a high speed train from Chicago to NY that takes about 4 hours instead of a plane using about the same time for city-center to city-center?
The train line itself will cause a lot of benefits eg. transport of freights. The benefits having a electric train is large, youll get higher top speed, faster accelaration, larger capacity. No diesel train can compete with that without having an engine the size of a ship-motor.

But since you have a free market economy you will lack good services like that. And if you get sick you will have to pay for it, I once read about a person that got a snke-bite in the US he had to pay 140.000$ in a mixed economy system he would have paid 0.
But with Obama youre on the right track he is a sensible man, with a more pragmatic wiev on things than hes predecessor George Bush.

Both China and Russia have less personal vehicles owned by private citizens. China has A lot more people, and you didn't specify where the trains were going to or from in Siberia...

Both governments are socialists/communists.. Meaning there is no real private ownership of property. Which means the actual people themselves do not have the ability or funds to pay for their own medical treatment nor a car they can use to drive across the country. And for that matter I am pretty sure you will need governmental permission to do the traveling anyway.

Socialism/communism and all its flavors are what I call the grand illusion of equality. They do not bring the masses up to the same levels, but rather place them at mutual poverty. The illusion is in the belief that everyone in the "ism" is better because they are all the same now.

"East Siberian Railway, an electrified high-class railroad with modern means of communication, electric interlocking of railroad switches, and remote dispatching system. This section of the railway provided a new access to Kuzbass, Kazakhstan, and Central Asia from the regions of the Russian Far East and Siberia. In the early 1970s, they finished the construction of the northbound line from the Khrebtovaya railway station to Ust-Ilimsk Hydroelectric Powerplant (214 km/133 mi)."
Im not very strong in russian geography but i found this on wikipedia

You should have a balance between a free market and a monopoly. Some buisness such as power,oil that will give the state large incomes. This incomes can be spent on providing services that no one wil start up in the US because they are not profittable. For instance the public high schools in the US needs more money, if youd had a better quality on the public schools you would have produced more talented and skilled workers that could have been useful in creating growth. I had mates that were exchange students in the US, they said the quality were poor compared to europe.

So if youd spent more money on public education you would have produced more skilled workers. For instance the US lacks 1.75 million engineers. The engineers are those that create the economic growth. Why do you think the US lacks 1.75 million enginereers thats because of poor public schools that cant offer good courses that could have created skilled workers.

I belive that a mix between a free market and some goverment owned companies is the best way to run a state. Socialism alone has a lot of benefits and so does a free market, but with a mixed system you can maximise the benefits and eliminate the disadvanteges for both systems.

Kazakhstan is another country. That railway was to connect central Asian areas like Kazakhstan to Russia. Not exactly a commuter train now is it...

I think you aren't really thinking this through here...

Most manufacturing jobs went to third world countries now due to cost of workers here. This was directly related to unions, healthcare, benefits and taxes put on those businesses by the government at the behest of the liberal socialists like yourself pressuring for more and more. It had nothing to do with education..

A monopoly? WTH are you talking about? Dude you are losing my interest now...

State owned utilities is all well and good in theory just like a lot of communistic ideals, in practice they fail... State run utilities feeds big government and that's the truth of it. I do not see any sign of an abundance of this wealth in the news... Matter of fact Russia especially does pretty poorly when it comes to finances...

Please explain this mixed system you are talking about....

 

[gslack]

I think Obama does a good job and applies many good ideas, but i feel kinda sorry for him that has to clean up in all the shit caused by Bush.

He's not cleaning up anything. Gitmo is still open, were still in the 2 countries that Bush got us into. He shoved obamacare down eveyone's throat through bribes. He's got us up to 14+ trillion of debt. You have really set your bar low....

One thing I dont understand is how can a person be a against free medical treatment, even the "american inspired" parites in europe support free medical help.
But I think that Obama should increase the taxes to give the state more income and reduce the debts, why has he not done that?

I get it now, if YOU don't pay for it you think its free... That explains a lot...

 

[Euro]

He's not cleaning up anything. Gitmo is still open, were still in the 2 countries that Bush got us into. He shoved obamacare down eveyone's throat through bribes. He's got us up to 14+ trillion of debt. You have really set your bar low....

One thing I dont understand is how can a person be a against free medical treatment, even the "american inspired" parites in europe support free medical help.
But I think that Obama should increase the taxes to give the state more income and reduce the debts, why has he not done that?

Let's make one thing perfectly clear, Euro, there is no such thing as "free medical treatment". Not one country has "free medical treatment".
The problem with Obama is that he just wants to raise taxes on the top 5% that are paying 70% of the taxes now. The bottom 47% doesn't pay taxes and a percentage of those get money from our government called "Earned Income Credit".
I don't think that raising taxes will equate with reducing the debt with our government, it will more than likely equate to more spending.

I agree with you that not only the top 5% should get increased taxes, but increased taxes is nescessary to controll the debt.
But why is increasing taxes wrong if you feel that you get something good back from the taxes you pay. I think I get many benefits from the taxes I pay.
Isnt it good to help sick poor people to heal. Or for instance, if you had become sick by a snake bite you would have to pay a 140.000$ medical bill. An average american tax bill i about 26-27k$ a year.
I would definetly chosen to pay a bit more in taxes, lets say 5% that will make an average american tax bill 28-29k$. Instead of risking a snake bite that would give me 140.000$ medical bill.
I would have chosen to a pay bit more in taxes instead of being in debt for a long time because of a snake bite.

 

[uscitizen]

Americans drive ridiculously huge SUVs that guzzle gas, and then complain about the cost of gas.

I laugh every time I see someone driving one of those 5,000 lb behemouths.

I picture you scowling with envy at the bus stop !!

I generally play with my laptop or read the latest" news" at the bus stop. The buses are nice down here and I'd rather pay $4, and not have to drive, than put Ohhhhhhhh $30 in diesel in my ride to go to the capital..
Only a stupid fucking murkin would be ashamed of riding duh buss.

They are afraid to ride with black folks.