Euro
Senior Member
- Thread starter
- #21
Whenever someone uses the "we are dependent on foreign oil" line I cringe...
Foreign oil is about as dubious a term as there is. First we have to realize that most of the actual discovery, drilling, refining, and selling or trading occurs either locally (refining, trade markets) or internationally by INTERNATIONAL CONGLOMERATES, corporations and funded by the other banks including the UN's World Bank. The UN itself is based in New York city but we do not even think of it as a US body now do we.
We are dependent on oil just as the rest of the world is, to maintain some silly idea that if its in the Middle East its foreign is just unrealistic in these modern times.
Matter of fact you have to look hard to find anything that is not made either fully or in part in another country these days. How can that be if there is still such a thing as "foreign oil"? Foreign oil is like the modern boogey man that politicians pull out to scare people.
Say the number 1 oil producing area declares war on us and stops supplying the markets what happens? Well we go in and take care of it and install a new government that sees it our way. We just did that recently maybe you all remember that? That's the reality of oil. Its no longer this or that countries property, not really. Its the worlds oil and has been since it became so important and scarce. Over the next few decades we will see the facade of national sovereignty crumble to dust, due to ever dwindling resources. There is no room for hording ones own resources, the world is too big and there are too many of us all needing the resources.[/QUOTE]
@gslack
But the US is much more dependent on oil than any other country. I dont think the US are able to just "take care of it" if some of the biggest oil producing nations stop their export. The biggest oil producer in the world is Russia and they are armed with nuclear weapon so to "just take care of it and place a new government" would probobaly not be a good idea. But countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia that also are large oil producers are about to develop nuclear weapons, and that would make an operation impossible.
Yes the world is dependent on oil but the US is even more dependent on it than the rest of the world. In the US every person is much more dependent of its car and public transportation is non excisting. In the future when the oil price increases even more transportation costs will increase so much that transportation of goods by trucks or planes will not be profitable.
Import goods would be so expensive because of the transportation costs that people and stores cant get nescessary goods imported. However other parts of the world would also note this, but not to the same extent they are more prepared for the day when the oil stops.
Other countries have already built electric railways and are planning to build even more to meet the future and the increased oil prices. If you live in a modern european city(London,Paris) or asian ciity(Shanghai,Tokyo) people dont need to have their own car because of good and environmentally friendly infrastructure. So their daily lives would probobaly be just as before but excotic goods that needs to transported by planes woud probobaly be limited. But for people living in LA or Houston where people are so dependent on their car because of the lack of infrastructure will get serious problems. The goods import will be expensive because the only way of transportation in the US is by plane or car. People would probobaly not afford to drive to their jobs because of the high oil price (In europe and asia we can just use cheap and enviromentally public transportation)
So if the US wants to meet the future where oil will be a scarcity independent of" the dependency of foreign oil" they must reduce their oil consumption. Taxes is a good of doing that because when the gasoline price increases people will park their cars. In the short run I understand that increased taxes is not something that people want but think of what you might get back for your taxes in the future and future generations.
Foreign oil is about as dubious a term as there is. First we have to realize that most of the actual discovery, drilling, refining, and selling or trading occurs either locally (refining, trade markets) or internationally by INTERNATIONAL CONGLOMERATES, corporations and funded by the other banks including the UN's World Bank. The UN itself is based in New York city but we do not even think of it as a US body now do we.
We are dependent on oil just as the rest of the world is, to maintain some silly idea that if its in the Middle East its foreign is just unrealistic in these modern times.
Matter of fact you have to look hard to find anything that is not made either fully or in part in another country these days. How can that be if there is still such a thing as "foreign oil"? Foreign oil is like the modern boogey man that politicians pull out to scare people.
Say the number 1 oil producing area declares war on us and stops supplying the markets what happens? Well we go in and take care of it and install a new government that sees it our way. We just did that recently maybe you all remember that? That's the reality of oil. Its no longer this or that countries property, not really. Its the worlds oil and has been since it became so important and scarce. Over the next few decades we will see the facade of national sovereignty crumble to dust, due to ever dwindling resources. There is no room for hording ones own resources, the world is too big and there are too many of us all needing the resources.[/QUOTE]
@gslack
Whenever someone uses the "we are dependent on foreign oil" line I cringe...
Foreign oil is about as dubious a term as there is. First we have to realize that most of the actual discovery, drilling, refining, and selling or trading occurs either locally (refining, trade markets) or internationally by INTERNATIONAL CONGLOMERATES, corporations and funded by the other banks including the UN's World Bank. The UN itself is based in New York city but we do not even think of it as a US body now do we.
We are dependent on oil just as the rest of the world is, to maintain some silly idea that if its in the Middle East its foreign is just unrealistic in these modern times.
Matter of fact you have to look hard to find anything that is not made either fully or in part in another country these days. How can that be if there is still such a thing as "foreign oil"? Foreign oil is like the modern boogey man that politicians pull out to scare people.
Say the number 1 oil producing area declares war on us and stops supplying the markets what happens? Well we go in and take care of it and install a new government that sees it our way. We just did that recently maybe you all remember that? That's the reality of oil. Its no longer this or that countries property, not really. Its the worlds oil and has been since it became so important and scarce. Over the next few decades we will see the facade of national sovereignty crumble to dust, due to ever dwindling resources. There is no room for hording ones own resources, the world is too big and there are too many of us all needing the resources.
But the US is much more dependent on oil than any other country. I dont think the US are able to just "take care of it" if some of the biggest oil producing nations stop their export. The biggest oil producer in the world is Russia and they are armed with nuclear weapon so to "just take care of it and place a new government" would probobaly not be a good idea. But countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia that also are large oil producers are about to develop nuclear weapons, and that would make an operation impossible.
Yes the world is dependent on oil but the US is even more dependent on it than the rest of the world. In the US every person is much more dependent of its car and public transportation is non excisting. In the future when the oil price increases even more transportation costs will increase so much that transportation of goods by trucks or planes will not be profitable.
Import goods would be so expensive because of the transportation costs that people and stores cant get nescessary goods imported. However other parts of the world would also note this, but not to the same extent they are more prepared for the day when the oil stops.
Other countries have already built electric railways and are planning to build even more to meet the future and the increased oil prices. If you live in a modern european city(London,Paris) or asian ciity(Shanghai,Tokyo) people dont need to have their own car because of good and environmentally friendly infrastructure. So their daily lives would probobaly be just as before but excotic goods that needs to transported by planes woud probobaly be limited. But for people living in LA or Houston where people are so dependent on their car because of the lack of infrastructure will get serious problems. The goods import will be expensive because the only way of transportation in the US is by plane or car. People would probobaly not afford to drive to their jobs because of the high oil price (In europe and asia we can just use cheap and enviromentally public transportation)
So if the US wants to meet the future where oil will be a scarcity independent of" the dependency of foreign oil" they must reduce their oil consumption. Taxes is a good of doing that because when the gasoline price increases people will park their cars. In the short run I understand that increased taxes is not something that people want but think of what you might get back for your taxes in the future and future generations.