US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

[daveman]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

 

[WinterBorn]

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.
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The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring
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Your excitement was never their purpose. Avoiding detection was.

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us. They never stayed with us for long.

And as for your repeated comments about doing nothing, do you have any idea how much maintenance and testing goes on during patrols? No, of course you don't. Any problem that occurs can render us unable to do our mission. We do not surface and we do not contact any outside ship or command. We make our own air from sea water, and distill our potable water from the ocean. The number of systems required to stay ready to launch missiles is significant. Everything is checked, rechecked and checked again. It is a constant workload.
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That is because a sub pulls out of port surfaced then submerges.

Are you 8 or 10 years old?

Jesus

Now can you explain more about how the entire Atlantic fleet trains at Guantanamo?
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The trawler stayed in international waters. Obviously a Russian trawler in US waters during the Cold War would have been boarded and detained.

And I can assure you, no boomer was on the surface 12 miles out.

Gitmo was where the Atlanta fleet trained. It is where missile launches were tested. It is where NBC drills and fleet work was done. This may have changed since it became a prison. But yes, it was the training area for the Atlantic fleet. My second command was a fast attack oiler. Left the shipyards in Brooklyn and steamed straight to Gitmo.
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Look pop I can only grade you on the nonsense that you are spewing, so what you said was

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us.

You said nothing about international waters you said that every time you pulled out of port (piers still in sight) there was a Russian trawler

You do not even know what the fuck a port is much less a submarine

Do you live in Idaho
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So you assumed that, during the Cold War, a Russian trawler would be in American waters?? Really? In sight of secure piers?

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

 

[esalla]

Actually pop you are the nutcase that said that Russian trawlers followed you out of port as a tug might

Yawn

Is being triggered fun

 

[WinterBorn]

Actually pop you are the nutcase that said that Russian trawlers followed you out of port as a tug might

Yawn

Is being triggered fun

You grasp of all of this is limited at best.

And triggered? How many personal attacks have you launched when you were shown to be absolutely wrong? No thanking people for educating you. You try to switch the focus.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

It's funny -- you keep changing your story based on what I tell you.

You said trains are powered only by the electric grid. Now you say they stop for fuel.

You really are a fucking idiot.

Trains never get off grid kid, the rails connect cities even in the deep West. The sad thing is that you think locomotive tech is the same as maritime tech

You fucking idiot, now you're trying to change the meaning of "grid" to mean something different.

Diesel-electric propulsion systems do not require connection to the electrical grid, no matter if they're on land or sea.

Fucking idiot.

Actually is you are deep off grid in Alaska for instance there are no gas stations pumping diesel. Your issue is you do not understand what off grid means.

Yawn

Oh, I understand what it means. I also understand you're desperately trying to change the definition of "electrical grid" so you look less like a fucking idiot.

How's that working out? Hint: Not too good. You still look like a fucking idiot.

 

[WinterBorn]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

Did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make outrageous claims about how military things work, and then get pissy when they were shown to be wrong?

I have no issue with someone not serving. I do have an issue with people trying to say that people did nothing or were worthless while they served, when those people never served.

 

[esalla]

Actually pop you are the nutcase that said that Russian trawlers followed you out of port as a tug might

Yawn

Is being triggered fun

You grasp of all of this is limited at best.

And triggered? How many personal attacks have you launched when you were shown to be absolutely wrong? No thanking people for educating you. You try to switch the focus.

Your issue is that you are still living in the 80's on a boat made in the 70's.

The FBI has a hefty file on my exploits and they do not have the balls to question me like they were required too.

Yawn

 

[daveman]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

 

[daveman]

Actually pop you are the nutcase that said that Russian trawlers followed you out of port as a tug might

Yawn

Is being triggered fun

You grasp of all of this is limited at best.

And triggered? How many personal attacks have you launched when you were shown to be absolutely wrong? No thanking people for educating you. You try to switch the focus.

Your issue is that you are still living in the 80's on a boat made in the 70's.

The FBI has a hefty file on my exploits and they do not have the balls to question me like they were required too.

Yawn

The only person in the world who believes that is you.

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

Did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make outrageous claims about how military things work, and then get pissy when they were shown to be wrong?

I have no issue with someone not serving. I do have an issue with people trying to say that people did nothing or were worthless while they served, when those people never served.

What are your thoughts on the 20 or so veterans who off themselves everyday, because they can not cope with reality, like you?

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

LOL I have retirement funds too, and three other brokers that I control.

PS if you have no idea what your funds are invested in

You are a retard

But you already know that

 

[WinterBorn]

Actually pop you are the nutcase that said that Russian trawlers followed you out of port as a tug might

Yawn

Is being triggered fun

You grasp of all of this is limited at best.

And triggered? How many personal attacks have you launched when you were shown to be absolutely wrong? No thanking people for educating you. You try to switch the focus.

Your issue is that you are still living in the 80's on a boat made in the 70's.

The FBI has a hefty file on my exploits and they do not have the balls to question me like they were required too.

Yawn

The boat was made in the 60s. Which might be relevant, if the main systems we discussed had changed. None of the new boats use the reactor to charge the batteries to run the propulsion. People still stand the same watches. Your bullshit is still bullshit.

I doubt the FBI knows who you are. I am pretty damn sure they are not scared of you.

 

[WinterBorn]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

LOL I have retirement funds too, and three other brokers that I control.

PS if you have no idea what your funds are invested in

You are a retard

But you already know that

I am well aware of the details of my retirement funds.

 

[WinterBorn]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

Did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make outrageous claims about how military things work, and then get pissy when they were shown to be wrong?

I have no issue with someone not serving. I do have an issue with people trying to say that people did nothing or were worthless while they served, when those people never served.

What are your thoughts on the 20 or so veterans who off themselves everyday, because they can not cope with reality, like you?

I think it is a damn shame. If their suicide is related to their service, we should be ashamed. We should already be ashamed for the way our gov't treated the Vietnam vets over Agent Orange.

 

[daveman]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

LOL I have retirement funds too, and three other brokers that I control.

PS if you have no idea what your funds are invested in

You are a retard

But you already know that

Butthurt whiny bitch says what?

 

[daveman]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

Did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make outrageous claims about how military things work, and then get pissy when they were shown to be wrong?

I have no issue with someone not serving. I do have an issue with people trying to say that people did nothing or were worthless while they served, when those people never served.

What are your thoughts on the 20 or so veterans who off themselves everyday, because they can not cope with reality, like you?

They're still more courageous than you, who never wore the uniform.

And you're an even bigger piece of shit than I thought possible, using the deaths of good men and women to insult someone.

Get it? You're a piece of shit.

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

LOL I have retirement funds too, and three other brokers that I control.

PS if you have no idea what your funds are invested in

You are a retard

But you already know that

I am well aware of the details of my retirement funds.

That post was directed at dave the tard

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

Did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make outrageous claims about how military things work, and then get pissy when they were shown to be wrong?

I have no issue with someone not serving. I do have an issue with people trying to say that people did nothing or were worthless while they served, when those people never served.

What are your thoughts on the 20 or so veterans who off themselves everyday, because they can not cope with reality, like you?

They're still more courageous than you, who never wore the uniform.

And you're an even bigger piece of shit than I thought possible, using the deaths of good men and women to insult someone.

Get it? You're a piece of shit.

Does ignoring the issue fix it in your mind?

 

[esalla]

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

You talk a lot, too. Lot's of whining.

And you never wore the uniform.

So feel free to eat shit.

Did Bill Gates and Steve jobs ever serve?

Did you buy stock in their companies like I did?

I pity you people who see the entire world thru small eyes

I have no idea what all companies my retirement funds are invested in.

Meanwhile, you're a civilian. You've always been a civilian. You couldn't or wouldn't serve.

The only thing you need to say here is "Thank you for voluntarily putting your life on the line so I could be a butthurt whiny bitch on the internet."

Say that. And then I'll laugh in your butthurt whiny bitch face, because no one served for your gratitude. We recognized there was something larger than ourselves that was worth protecting. You contributed nothing to that. You don't recognize anything larger than the flapping shreds of your ego. How fucking pathetic.

LOL I have retirement funds too, and three other brokers that I control.

PS if you have no idea what your funds are invested in

You are a retard

But you already know that

Butthurt whiny bitch says what?

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