US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

No, that is not a nuclear sub. But thanks for playing.

LOL it is a battery powered submarine whos batteries are charged by a nuclear sub

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Nuclear submarines use nuclear reactors, steam turbines and reduction gearing to drive the main propeller shaft, which provides the forward and reverse thrust in the water (an electric motor drives the same shaft when docking or in an emergency).
Submarines also need electric power to operate the equipment on board. To supply this power, submarines are equipped with diesel engines that burn fuel and/or nuclear reactors that use nuclear fission. Submarines also have batteries to supply electrical power. Electrical equipment is often run off the batteries and power from the diesel engine or nuclear reactor is used to charge the batteries. In cases of emergency, the batteries may be the only source of electrical power to run the submarine.

The key words being "in an emergency". Nothing in the first post I responded to, nor in the one you later deleted, said anything about in an emergency.

And the batteries in the small sub are charged by whatever power source is available. Do you think the batteries are not charged when they load the small sub on the deck of the nuclear sub?

You are flailing. You were wrong when you posted the comments and I corrected you. The fact that you cannot deal with that is your weakness not mine.

The emergency can easily be sneaking quietly thru an emeny straight making as little noise as possible at the narrows.

Yawn

No, that is not an emergency. A nuke sub can be quiet enough to avoid detection without resorting to batteries for propulsion.

Even in the Dark Ages of the early 1980s, the FBM submarines were nearly impossible to find. When the James Madison ran anti-submarine training exercises with a carrier task force near Guantanamo, operations had to cease because we ran out of the yellow flares. When doing this sort of training the sub would launch a red flare if they were "hit", a green flare if they "hit" the surface fleet, and a yellow flare when the surface fleet had to request our position.

In 1979 or so, before I reported onboard, a surface task force attached to the USS America CVN ran up on the surface above the USS James Madison. The capt identified what was making all the noise, and came to periscope depth in the wake of the America, snapped a polaroid shot of her stern, and went back down. Slow and Quiet. When they returned to port the old man mailed the pic to the Capt of the America with the word "GOTCHA" written on the back.

Far away Guantanimo

LOL as I said you did nothing

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

No, that is not a nuclear sub. But thanks for playing.

LOL it is a battery powered submarine whos batteries are charged by a nuclear sub

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Nuclear submarines use nuclear reactors, steam turbines and reduction gearing to drive the main propeller shaft, which provides the forward and reverse thrust in the water (an electric motor drives the same shaft when docking or in an emergency).
Submarines also need electric power to operate the equipment on board. To supply this power, submarines are equipped with diesel engines that burn fuel and/or nuclear reactors that use nuclear fission. Submarines also have batteries to supply electrical power. Electrical equipment is often run off the batteries and power from the diesel engine or nuclear reactor is used to charge the batteries. In cases of emergency, the batteries may be the only source of electrical power to run the submarine.

The key words being "in an emergency". Nothing in the first post I responded to, nor in the one you later deleted, said anything about in an emergency.

And the batteries in the small sub are charged by whatever power source is available. Do you think the batteries are not charged when they load the small sub on the deck of the nuclear sub?

You are flailing. You were wrong when you posted the comments and I corrected you. The fact that you cannot deal with that is your weakness not mine.

The emergency can easily be sneaking quietly thru an emeny straight making as little noise as possible at the narrows.

Yawn

No, that is not an emergency. A nuke sub can be quiet enough to avoid detection without resorting to batteries for propulsion.

Even in the Dark Ages of the early 1980s, the FBM submarines were nearly impossible to find. When the James Madison ran anti-submarine training exercises with a carrier task force near Guantanamo, operations had to cease because we ran out of the yellow flares. When doing this sort of training the sub would launch a red flare if they were "hit", a green flare if they "hit" the surface fleet, and a yellow flare when the surface fleet had to request our position.

In 1979 or so, before I reported onboard, a surface task force attached to the USS America CVN ran up on the surface above the USS James Madison. The capt identified what was making all the noise, and came to periscope depth in the wake of the America, snapped a polaroid shot of her stern, and went back down. Slow and Quiet. When they returned to port the old man mailed the pic to the Capt of the America with the word "GOTCHA" written on the back.

Subs have gotten quieter however the sonar nets are substantially more sensitive now. Your problem is that you were on a boomer that never did anything but get lost in deep water. Boomers never sneak into enemy ports or do covert surveillance as that job falls to the smaller quieter attack subs. You are relating your experiences to the entire fleet which is foolish, in fact Boomers often do little to nothing as they can launch their missiles from near port if need be

That is why the anti-submarine training used boomers. We were quieter than the fast attack boats. We were better at evading the surface fleets. If they could find a boomer, they could find any sub. But they couldn't find the boomers.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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1. Click on the Navigator icon in the top right hand corner
2. Click on “Self Service”
3. Click on “Personal Information”
4. Click on “Employee Security Clearance”

You can also email [email protected] to check your status.

Your clearance obligations
If you hold a clearance, there are a number of standards of conduct you are expected to follow regarding:

1. your personal conduct, such as following the need-to-know principle.
2. self-reporting certain personal activities, like foreign travel.
3. reporting concerns about co-workers. The Center for Development of Security Excellence’s guide details these obligations on page 15.

Clearance upgrade requests
If you are a TTS employee and need to request TS/SCI clearance:

1. Have your Supervisor fill out out the Security Clearance Upgrade Request form

• The Security Clearance Upgrade Request form is intended for TTS Supervisors to fill out when requesting an upgraded security clearance for one of their team members. The information gathered will help TTS PeopleOps determine the best way to support and proceed with the Security Clearance upgrade process.

2. Work with your supervisor to complete required documentation

• GSA Position Risk Determination Survey
  • On Question #7, refer to pages 4-10 of the Federal Cybersecurity Coding Structure
    • Choose up to 3 codes which describe the type of cybersecurity work assigned to the position, and list them in descending order by majority of work time.
• Supervisor must write up a Justification explaining why this clearance is necessary
  • Sample Justification
• If you have been employed at GSA for over one year complete the following documents:
  • GSA Credit Report
  • Declaration of Federal Employment (OF 306)

3. Email all documents from Step 2 to the People Ops Team.
The People Ops Team will contact GSA HR Classification and work with HR and the Supervisor to create an updated PD. Once the PD is created, People Ops will submit the package to GSA Security and submit a PAR if applicable.

• Please note that you can not be placed on this new PD until your security clearance is processed by OPM. You may request a waiver justification to be placed on this PD before the clearance goes through ONLY if your PD is classified as critical sensitive (versus special sensitive)
• Waiver justifications must be written by the supervisor and approved by the FAS Commissioner (Alan Thomas)

4. HR will review all items and submit to Security
5. You will receive an email asking you to update your eQIP

• You’ll have 7 days to complete.

6. Once the eQIP is complete, security will review and send to OPM

• Security will complete this within 1-3 days
• It will take approximately 8-15 months to complete the top secret (TS) portion, which includes an in-person interview with an investigator.
  • This delay is due to the backlogs at OPM. The SCI portion is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and can only be requested after the TS is complete. You should plan an additional 4-6 weeks for that process.

7. When a clearance has been approved, the assigned adjudicator from the Security Office will inform you directly and provide you further instructions.
Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

Clearance Levels
There are three national security clearance levels: Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Work deemed Critical Sensitive requires a Top Secret clearance. Special Sensitive work requires access to Sensitive Compartmented Information and therefore a Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) clearance. When TTS employees need a clearance, it is typically a TS/SCI.

*Note that according to the Department of Defense, Public Trust is a type of position, not clearance level, though GSA refers to it as clearance level. GSA does not issue DoD clearances because it does not create classified information.

Your clearance status
Find out your clearance status in HRLinks

1. Click on the Navigator icon in the top right hand corner
2. Click on “Self Service”
3. Click on “Personal Information”
4. Click on “Employee Security Clearance”

You can also email [email protected] to check your status.

Your clearance obligations
If you hold a clearance, there are a number of standards of conduct you are expected to follow regarding:

1. your personal conduct, such as following the need-to-know principle.
2. self-reporting certain personal activities, like foreign travel.
3. reporting concerns about co-workers. The Center for Development of Security Excellence’s guide details these obligations on page 15.

Clearance upgrade requests
If you are a TTS employee and need to request TS/SCI clearance:

1. Have your Supervisor fill out out the Security Clearance Upgrade Request form

• The Security Clearance Upgrade Request form is intended for TTS Supervisors to fill out when requesting an upgraded security clearance for one of their team members. The information gathered will help TTS PeopleOps determine the best way to support and proceed with the Security Clearance upgrade process.

2. Work with your supervisor to complete required documentation

• GSA Position Risk Determination Survey
  • On Question #7, refer to pages 4-10 of the Federal Cybersecurity Coding Structure
    • Choose up to 3 codes which describe the type of cybersecurity work assigned to the position, and list them in descending order by majority of work time.
• Supervisor must write up a Justification explaining why this clearance is necessary
  • Sample Justification
• If you have been employed at GSA for over one year complete the following documents:
  • GSA Credit Report
  • Declaration of Federal Employment (OF 306)

3. Email all documents from Step 2 to the People Ops Team.
The People Ops Team will contact GSA HR Classification and work with HR and the Supervisor to create an updated PD. Once the PD is created, People Ops will submit the package to GSA Security and submit a PAR if applicable.

• Please note that you can not be placed on this new PD until your security clearance is processed by OPM. You may request a waiver justification to be placed on this PD before the clearance goes through ONLY if your PD is classified as critical sensitive (versus special sensitive)
• Waiver justifications must be written by the supervisor and approved by the FAS Commissioner (Alan Thomas)

4. HR will review all items and submit to Security
5. You will receive an email asking you to update your eQIP

• You’ll have 7 days to complete.

6. Once the eQIP is complete, security will review and send to OPM

• Security will complete this within 1-3 days
• It will take approximately 8-15 months to complete the top secret (TS) portion, which includes an in-person interview with an investigator.
  • This delay is due to the backlogs at OPM. The SCI portion is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and can only be requested after the TS is complete. You should plan an additional 4-6 weeks for that process.

7. When a clearance has been approved, the assigned adjudicator from the Security Office will inform you directly and provide you further instructions.
Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

SEALs would use Gators for any number of sea-based missions. Departing from a nuclear attack or cruise missile submarine mothership, a small group of SEALs could motor to a stretch of enemy coastline and then stage a reconnaissance mission or raid inland. Alternately, they could slip through enemy defenses, park their SDV outside an enemy harbor, and then proceed one by one to plant limpet mines against the hulls of enemy ships.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

No, that is not a nuclear sub. But thanks for playing.

LOL it is a battery powered submarine whos batteries are charged by a nuclear sub

Furthermore
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Nuclear submarines use nuclear reactors, steam turbines and reduction gearing to drive the main propeller shaft, which provides the forward and reverse thrust in the water (an electric motor drives the same shaft when docking or in an emergency).
Submarines also need electric power to operate the equipment on board. To supply this power, submarines are equipped with diesel engines that burn fuel and/or nuclear reactors that use nuclear fission. Submarines also have batteries to supply electrical power. Electrical equipment is often run off the batteries and power from the diesel engine or nuclear reactor is used to charge the batteries. In cases of emergency, the batteries may be the only source of electrical power to run the submarine.

The key words being "in an emergency". Nothing in the first post I responded to, nor in the one you later deleted, said anything about in an emergency.

And the batteries in the small sub are charged by whatever power source is available. Do you think the batteries are not charged when they load the small sub on the deck of the nuclear sub?

You are flailing. You were wrong when you posted the comments and I corrected you. The fact that you cannot deal with that is your weakness not mine.

The emergency can easily be sneaking quietly thru an emeny straight making as little noise as possible at the narrows.

Yawn

No, that is not an emergency. A nuke sub can be quiet enough to avoid detection without resorting to batteries for propulsion.

Even in the Dark Ages of the early 1980s, the FBM submarines were nearly impossible to find. When the James Madison ran anti-submarine training exercises with a carrier task force near Guantanamo, operations had to cease because we ran out of the yellow flares. When doing this sort of training the sub would launch a red flare if they were "hit", a green flare if they "hit" the surface fleet, and a yellow flare when the surface fleet had to request our position.

In 1979 or so, before I reported onboard, a surface task force attached to the USS America CVN ran up on the surface above the USS James Madison. The capt identified what was making all the noise, and came to periscope depth in the wake of the America, snapped a polaroid shot of her stern, and went back down. Slow and Quiet. When they returned to port the old man mailed the pic to the Capt of the America with the word "GOTCHA" written on the back.

Far away Guantanimo

LOL as I said you did nothing

Guantanamo is a long standing training base. The entire Atlantic fleet uses them. How far from the US the training takes place is completely irrelevant.

One of the many ways boomers avoided detection was by going under the ice. I earned my Blue Nose in 1982. No fleet except submarines can follow. No aircraft can see anything.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

SEALs would use Gators for any number of sea-based missions. Departing from a nuclear attack or cruise missile submarine mothership, a small group of SEALs could motor to a stretch of enemy coastline and then stage a reconnaissance mission or raid inland. Alternately, they could slip through enemy defenses, park their SDV outside an enemy harbor, and then proceed one by one to plant limpet mines against the hulls of enemy ships.

The Mark 8 is used by the U.S. Navy and the U.K.’s naval commando force, the Special Boat Service. Introduced in the 1980s, the Gators have served throughout the Cold War and are in the process of being replaced by a new vessel, the Mk. 11.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

Holy shit batman! You didn't even read your own link you halfwitted dumbass! Here. I will highlight the relevent part so that even a complete nimrod, such as yourself, can understand!

"Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion."

That was the point nimrod, thanks for admitting that I was right.

Nice dance attempt, dumbass. You were WRONG. And not just a little wrong, but catastrophically WRONG, and then you try and dance around the fact that you are a dumbass.

Yawn many subs can run on battery power, it's the quietest source of power available because all the generating mechanics can be off

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.

The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

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LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

No, that is not a nuclear sub. But thanks for playing.

LOL it is a battery powered submarine whos batteries are charged by a nuclear sub

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Nuclear submarines use nuclear reactors, steam turbines and reduction gearing to drive the main propeller shaft, which provides the forward and reverse thrust in the water (an electric motor drives the same shaft when docking or in an emergency).
Submarines also need electric power to operate the equipment on board. To supply this power, submarines are equipped with diesel engines that burn fuel and/or nuclear reactors that use nuclear fission. Submarines also have batteries to supply electrical power. Electrical equipment is often run off the batteries and power from the diesel engine or nuclear reactor is used to charge the batteries. In cases of emergency, the batteries may be the only source of electrical power to run the submarine.

The key words being "in an emergency". Nothing in the first post I responded to, nor in the one you later deleted, said anything about in an emergency.

And the batteries in the small sub are charged by whatever power source is available. Do you think the batteries are not charged when they load the small sub on the deck of the nuclear sub?

You are flailing. You were wrong when you posted the comments and I corrected you. The fact that you cannot deal with that is your weakness not mine.

The emergency can easily be sneaking quietly thru an emeny straight making as little noise as possible at the narrows.

Yawn

No, that is not an emergency. A nuke sub can be quiet enough to avoid detection without resorting to batteries for propulsion.

Even in the Dark Ages of the early 1980s, the FBM submarines were nearly impossible to find. When the James Madison ran anti-submarine training exercises with a carrier task force near Guantanamo, operations had to cease because we ran out of the yellow flares. When doing this sort of training the sub would launch a red flare if they were "hit", a green flare if they "hit" the surface fleet, and a yellow flare when the surface fleet had to request our position.

In 1979 or so, before I reported onboard, a surface task force attached to the USS America CVN ran up on the surface above the USS James Madison. The capt identified what was making all the noise, and came to periscope depth in the wake of the America, snapped a polaroid shot of her stern, and went back down. Slow and Quiet. When they returned to port the old man mailed the pic to the Capt of the America with the word "GOTCHA" written on the back.

Far away Guantanimo

LOL as I said you did nothing

Guantanamo is a long standing training base. The entire Atlantic fleet uses them. How far from the US the training takes place is completely irrelevant.

One of the many ways boomers avoided detection was by going under the ice. I earned my Blue Nose in 1982. No fleet except submarines can follow. No aircraft can see anything.

No the entire Atlantic fleet does not train at Guantanamo, try again Shirley.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

Holy shit batman! You didn't even read your own link you halfwitted dumbass! Here. I will highlight the relevent part so that even a complete nimrod, such as yourself, can understand!

"Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion."

That was the point nimrod, thanks for admitting that I was right.

Nice dance attempt, dumbass. You were WRONG. And not just a little wrong, but catastrophically WRONG, and then you try and dance around the fact that you are a dumbass.

Yawn many subs can run on battery power, it's the quietest source of power available because all the generating mechanics can be off

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.

The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring

Your excitement was never their purpose. Avoiding detection was.

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us. They never stayed with us for long.

And as for your repeated comments about doing nothing, do you have any idea how much maintenance and testing goes on during patrols? No, of course you don't. Any problem that occurs can render us unable to do our mission. We do not surface and we do not contact any outside ship or command. We make our own air from sea water, and distill our potable water from the ocean. The number of systems required to stay ready to launch missiles is significant. Everything is checked, rechecked and checked again. It is a constant workload.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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7. When a clearance has been approved, the assigned adjudicator from the Security Office will inform you directly and provide you further instructions.
Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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Questions?

So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

This Mini-Sub Is Like a Commuter Bus for Navy SEAL Commandos (popularmechanics.com)


Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

SEALs would use Gators for any number of sea-based missions. Departing from a nuclear attack or cruise missile submarine mothership, a small group of SEALs could motor to a stretch of enemy coastline and then stage a reconnaissance mission or raid inland. Alternately, they could slip through enemy defenses, park their SDV outside an enemy harbor, and then proceed one by one to plant limpet mines against the hulls of enemy ships.

The Mark 8 is used by the U.S. Navy and the U.K.’s naval commando force, the Special Boat Service. Introduced in the 1980s, the Gators have served throughout the Cold War and are in the process of being replaced by a new vessel, the Mk. 11.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

No, that is not a nuclear sub. But thanks for playing.

LOL it is a battery powered submarine whos batteries are charged by a nuclear sub

Furthermore
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Nuclear submarines use nuclear reactors, steam turbines and reduction gearing to drive the main propeller shaft, which provides the forward and reverse thrust in the water (an electric motor drives the same shaft when docking or in an emergency).
Submarines also need electric power to operate the equipment on board. To supply this power, submarines are equipped with diesel engines that burn fuel and/or nuclear reactors that use nuclear fission. Submarines also have batteries to supply electrical power. Electrical equipment is often run off the batteries and power from the diesel engine or nuclear reactor is used to charge the batteries. In cases of emergency, the batteries may be the only source of electrical power to run the submarine.

The key words being "in an emergency". Nothing in the first post I responded to, nor in the one you later deleted, said anything about in an emergency.

And the batteries in the small sub are charged by whatever power source is available. Do you think the batteries are not charged when they load the small sub on the deck of the nuclear sub?

You are flailing. You were wrong when you posted the comments and I corrected you. The fact that you cannot deal with that is your weakness not mine.

The emergency can easily be sneaking quietly thru an emeny straight making as little noise as possible at the narrows.

Yawn

No, that is not an emergency. A nuke sub can be quiet enough to avoid detection without resorting to batteries for propulsion.

Even in the Dark Ages of the early 1980s, the FBM submarines were nearly impossible to find. When the James Madison ran anti-submarine training exercises with a carrier task force near Guantanamo, operations had to cease because we ran out of the yellow flares. When doing this sort of training the sub would launch a red flare if they were "hit", a green flare if they "hit" the surface fleet, and a yellow flare when the surface fleet had to request our position.

In 1979 or so, before I reported onboard, a surface task force attached to the USS America CVN ran up on the surface above the USS James Madison. The capt identified what was making all the noise, and came to periscope depth in the wake of the America, snapped a polaroid shot of her stern, and went back down. Slow and Quiet. When they returned to port the old man mailed the pic to the Capt of the America with the word "GOTCHA" written on the back.

Far away Guantanimo

LOL as I said you did nothing

Guantanamo is a long standing training base. The entire Atlantic fleet uses them. How far from the US the training takes place is completely irrelevant.

One of the many ways boomers avoided detection was by going under the ice. I earned my Blue Nose in 1982. No fleet except submarines can follow. No aircraft can see anything.

No the entire Atlantic fleet does not train at Guantanamo, try again Shirley.

With the detainees at Gitmo, things have changed. But they were one of the main naval training commands.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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No problem moron

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

SEALs would use Gators for any number of sea-based missions. Departing from a nuclear attack or cruise missile submarine mothership, a small group of SEALs could motor to a stretch of enemy coastline and then stage a reconnaissance mission or raid inland. Alternately, they could slip through enemy defenses, park their SDV outside an enemy harbor, and then proceed one by one to plant limpet mines against the hulls of enemy ships.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

Holy shit batman! You didn't even read your own link you halfwitted dumbass! Here. I will highlight the relevent part so that even a complete nimrod, such as yourself, can understand!

"Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion."

That was the point nimrod, thanks for admitting that I was right.

Nice dance attempt, dumbass. You were WRONG. And not just a little wrong, but catastrophically WRONG, and then you try and dance around the fact that you are a dumbass.

Yawn many subs can run on battery power, it's the quietest source of power available because all the generating mechanics can be off

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.

The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring

Your excitement was never their purpose. Avoiding detection was.

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us. They never stayed with us for long.

And as for your repeated comments about doing nothing, do you have any idea how much maintenance and testing goes on during patrols? No, of course you don't. Any problem that occurs can render us unable to do our mission. We do not surface and we do not contact any outside ship or command. We make our own air from sea water, and distill our potable water from the ocean. The number of systems required to stay ready to launch missiles is significant. Everything is checked, rechecked and checked again. It is a constant workload.

That is because a sub pulls out of port surfaced then submerges.

Are you 8 or 10 years old?

Jesus

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

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Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

Holy shit batman! You didn't even read your own link you halfwitted dumbass! Here. I will highlight the relevent part so that even a complete nimrod, such as yourself, can understand!

"Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion."

That was the point nimrod, thanks for admitting that I was right.

Nice dance attempt, dumbass. You were WRONG. And not just a little wrong, but catastrophically WRONG, and then you try and dance around the fact that you are a dumbass.

Yawn many subs can run on battery power, it's the quietest source of power available because all the generating mechanics can be off

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.

The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring

Your excitement was never their purpose. Avoiding detection was.

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us. They never stayed with us for long.

And as for your repeated comments about doing nothing, do you have any idea how much maintenance and testing goes on during patrols? No, of course you don't. Any problem that occurs can render us unable to do our mission. We do not surface and we do not contact any outside ship or command. We make our own air from sea water, and distill our potable water from the ocean. The number of systems required to stay ready to launch missiles is significant. Everything is checked, rechecked and checked again. It is a constant workload.

That is because a sub pulls out of port surfaced then submerges.

Are you 8 or 10 years old?

Jesus

Now can you explain more about how the entire Atlantic fleet trains at Guantanamo?

The trawler stayed in international waters. Obviously a Russian trawler in US waters during the Cold War would have been boarded and detained.

And I can assure you, no boomer was on the surface 12 miles out.

Gitmo was where the Atlanta fleet trained. It is where missile launches were tested. It is where NBC drills and fleet work was done. This may have changed since it became a prison. But yes, it was the training area for the Atlantic fleet. My second command was a fast attack oiler. Left the shipyards in Brooklyn and steamed straight to Gitmo.

 

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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?
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Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

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I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

That is true. Please tell us about how bravely you worked an assembly line making munitions.

Nah I bought Apple and Google

How about you genius

I served.

So you were the cook serving meals...............................

I hear the cooks on some subs serve sloppy waffles

The cooks stood watches just like the rest of us. You know, insignificant stuff like driving the boat.

And subs have the best food in the fleet. One of the perks of not seeing sunlight for a few months.

Subs have pizza and jalapeno popper night continuously, they have powdered eggs, but never fresh egg whites or even powdered egg whites. If seals ate that krap they would turn into barnacles

Ask a nutritionist if I am wrong?

We also had some of the best fresh baked bread ever. And at least once on every patrol we had steak and we had lobster.

Fresh baked bread is still high glycemic junk food, again ask a nutritionist.

I don't need to ask anyone. I know.

Then tell us what your job was, or is mopper still a classified rank

They call it "swabbing".

And every enlisted man has done his share of it.

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

He couldn't pass the psych eval., much less handle the training.

LOL I am 55 and can still do 100 mile cycle rides. Can't deadlift more than 400 lbs at this point anymore though my leg press still tops 1100

Yeah, good for you. Brute force and massive ignorance should be your calling card.

Submariners, on the other hand, being much smarter than you, follow the old adage, "work smarter, not harder".

Ask the FBI who is smarter than me?

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I could expand on that, but then I would have to kill you, and I like you because you are funny

Sad. You post what you claim are facts, and when you get corrected by people who actually know, you resort to personal attacks.

LOL I can back anything I say with unclassified Navy info from the web, and you still do not have the nerve to post to the group what your sub rank and or job was

It's ok someone has to wash the dishes

Yes, someone has to wash the dishes. On a submarine. While they also stand watches and qualify in their "spare" time. While they are in a dangerous situation and totally without contact with their family for months at a time.

Just tell us what your rank and official job was on the sub. Wait were you the guard standing watch over the hatch at 400 feet?

No. With the info I have given, it would not be hard to determine my real name. And people like you are precisely why I choose to remain anonymous online.

I never ask you your real name, I ask you what your job and rank was on the USS Sea Tiger with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis. Did you fix the engine with your girdle

The names of the crew of the boats are not classified and are available.

I have given the boat name, which crew, and when I served.

Sorry junior, the rest is irrelevant to this conversation.

Actually I never cooked pizza on a submarine, and at my age never will. It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true and as such you are acting like an FBI agent who spends their entire life doing what they are told.

So tell me is that fun?

I am not trying to get you to say anything. You are the only stamping your feet demanding information that has no bearing on the conversation.

Actually the conversation was about littoral ships until you decided that it was about submarines. Are moderators allowed to derail threads now? That used to be against the TOS, but not when the feds are involved obviously

Go back and see who brought up submarines.

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

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So you ever have one do this before?

So you complain about derailing the thread, and then post this Cut & Paste about security clearances?? lol

Who is complaining, I am just referencing the existing TOS that you have no clue about because being silly is a special education function and is Corky's purpose

So how does it feel being corrected by a silly special ed guy?

Never actually happened that way, did it Corky? If you had the required clearance you would know that.

So is deep cover fun?

What never happened that way? My correcting you? lol Yes, it did.

Coming from the dude who forgot what his Navy rank and job was that isn't saying much.

Let me guess, you voted for the senile guy who just announced that he is going to attack Russia and start WW3

I did not forget any such thing.

You are just pissy because you were shown to be wrong so many times.

So you remember your rank and job and are merely too embarrassed to say here.

It's ok, not everyone gets the keys.

Which one are you?

I am the guy who served on a nuclear FBM submarine. I did not forget anything. I do not give out info that can be used to identify me.

But feel free to label me a cook. You seem to think that is the lowest value rating. Just another sign of your ignorance at how things actually work.

LOL so you believe that people care enough about you to want to identify you.

Why do people care who you are? Perhaps you would like to lie down on the couch and tell us about your Mother

Being that this resembles a psych exam already

Why do you care what my rating was? The pertinent information I gave you was due my sub quals.

You claimed that everyone is trained to do everything on a sub, this is only partly true because the A school science crew members spend at least a year in A school, and others go directly to the boat to be the swabby.

I am reminded of this, but I would add that Bill Gates was attending Harvard, until he just dropped out to do something meaningful, that you will never comprehend, and that the economic modalities of the southern colonies are in no way relevant to the feds next interest rate move which will effect the overall market situation in the coming months. But you keep quoting what you feel is relevant

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I said everyone has to have a working knowledge of every system on the ship. I never said everyone is trained to do everything.

You constantly try to tell me who does what on a sub. I served on one and you were never in the military. But I am happy to have educated you on a few things.

Again the military builds exactly zero weapons systems. You are the traitor who voted for commie Joe Biden who has taken literally billions in cash and gifts from the chinks. Yea I know that chink nip and gook are not politically correct words. Oh well
When America was still America not serving the chinks

Again, I know this. Funny that you want to try to remind me how important civilian workers are to the military. And at the same time you try to denigrate some ratings because they are not important. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

OK if I denigrated the dude who scrapes the grease off the griddle I apologize, as if no one does there is a higher risk of a grease fire. No one wants that, so you were important

And you talked about the missile tech doing nothing. Denigrated the helmsman/planesman. Thanks for your patriotism.

LOL if you want to do nothing, get assigned to a boomer, someone who got his pick of submarine assignment told me that once, I forget who?

Wait I can't lie, I remember but if I tell you I have to kill you, so too bad.

Freud and Pavlov might both have been geniuses, however they both spent too much time examining drooling dogs

Again you show your lack of knowledge.

Says the official head cleaner

Says the man who actually served on a boomer.

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

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I am grateful for your father's service.

I have not actually talked much about my service. I have talked about general submarine duty. And I have responded to some of your accusations that I did nothing.

My father had to forget what he did and saw, he had to forget everything that he was a part of even though he was proud. I knew the man for 22 years and again he never spoke of what he did, other than when I was three he told me that the men charging up the beach in the movie the sands of iwo jima, like heroes were all dead as he held back tears. I was about three and that told me all I had to know. You have given at least a hundred times that much info here and all you admitted to doing was nothing. There are men and women out there with no limbs, they were there, you were not. What is sad is that you can not admit what your function was even though you talk nonstop

I am grateful to, and have all the respect in the world for, the men who served in war time.

I made a comment correcting your inaccurate post concerning submarines. I have tried not to discuss my actual service, except in reply to your accusations. I have not shared any sea stories or discussed my job on the sub. I discussed what it takes to qualify. I discussed various duty stations.

If my replying to your trolling is so disturbing, perhaps you should stop trolling.

This is my thread about littoral ship failures, so the troll is

As I said, you made an inaccurate claim about submarines. I corrected you. After that you got pissy and started trying to make it personal.

What inaccurate claim did I make?

Quote it now

"You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another"

All of that is correct as I was not specifically referring to the one particular sub that you were on

If you do not know that there are battery powered subs, both new and old you are missing a few pieces

You specifically mentioned ships fueled by nuclear reactors, and then talked about subs. You talked about ships that do not need to be refueled, then went straight into subs running the motors on batteries.

Yes, there are battery powered subs. But the nuclear subs, that you mentioned, do not run the motors on batteries. You elaborated on your idea that nuke subs run the motors on batteries, and then deleted the post. Now you are trying to backtrack on what you said.

Dude again your sub from the stone age was not the only sub out there, the reactor in a nuclear sub runs the generators that either send direct current to the electric motors or in certain subs (above the idiot classification level) battery power is sent directly to the electric motors reducing the noise level created from the generators, or noisy steam power like in the sub you were on turns the screws. LOL the reactor power can even charge the batteries on various types of mini subs. See pop the Navy is bigger than you know or can know at this point.

So you are claiming there are nuclear subs out there that use the reactor to charge the batteries and then use the batteries to power the motors?

Got a link? Or even the name of the sub?

Gator class for one.

This Mini-Sub Is Like a Commuter Bus for Navy SEAL Commandos (popularmechanics.com)


Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion. The electric motor drives a single propeller, with the driver controlling the depth and direction of the boat via hydroplanes and rudders. The Mark 8’s slow speed, about six knots at the most, further reduces noise. All of this makes the little sub extremely quiet, allowing it to elude detection by passive sonar systems.

SEALs would use Gators for any number of sea-based missions. Departing from a nuclear attack or cruise missile submarine mothership, a small group of SEALs could motor to a stretch of enemy coastline and then stage a reconnaissance mission or raid inland. Alternately, they could slip through enemy defenses, park their SDV outside an enemy harbor, and then proceed one by one to plant limpet mines against the hulls of enemy ships.

The Mark 8 is used by the U.S. Navy and the U.K.’s naval commando force, the Special Boat Service. Introduced in the 1980s, the Gators have served throughout the Cold War and are in the process of being replaced by a new vessel, the Mk. 11.

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Sorry to bust your bubble but the electric power obviously comes from a reactor because all American subs are nukes

Play on old man

The really fun stuff is however classified so I can not link to it

Holy shit batman! You didn't even read your own link you halfwitted dumbass! Here. I will highlight the relevent part so that even a complete nimrod, such as yourself, can understand!

"Unlike most submersibles, which use nuclear or diesel electric power, the SDVs use electric motors fed by onboard batteries for propulsion."

That was the point nimrod, thanks for admitting that I was right.

Nice dance attempt, dumbass. You were WRONG. And not just a little wrong, but catastrophically WRONG, and then you try and dance around the fact that you are a dumbass.

Yawn many subs can run on battery power, it's the quietest source of power available because all the generating mechanics can be off

Given the amount of electrical power needed to provide propulsion and maneuvering for a 425' to 560' vessel, using batteries will only get you a very short time submerged. When you add in all the other electronic and electrical equipment onboard, even a large battery bank is depleted in a very short time. It is far less efficient to charge batteries from the reactor and use them to provide propulsion. And the boats only do that when there is a major problem with the reactor.

The data says that the Seawolf subs are the quietest subs that the USA ever made, however this is because no one has heard a Virginia class sub yet so they are still top secret in the decibel dept.

Again not all subs are boomers, boomers are depressing boring

Your excitement was never their purpose. Avoiding detection was.

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us. They never stayed with us for long.

And as for your repeated comments about doing nothing, do you have any idea how much maintenance and testing goes on during patrols? No, of course you don't. Any problem that occurs can render us unable to do our mission. We do not surface and we do not contact any outside ship or command. We make our own air from sea water, and distill our potable water from the ocean. The number of systems required to stay ready to launch missiles is significant. Everything is checked, rechecked and checked again. It is a constant workload.

That is because a sub pulls out of port surfaced then submerges.

Are you 8 or 10 years old?

Jesus

Now can you explain more about how the entire Atlantic fleet trains at Guantanamo?

The trawler stayed in international waters. Obviously a Russian trawler in US waters during the Cold War would have been boarded and detained.

And I can assure you, no boomer was on the surface 12 miles out.

Gitmo was where the Atlanta fleet trained. It is where missile launches were tested. It is where NBC drills and fleet work was done. This may have changed since it became a prison. But yes, it was the training area for the Atlantic fleet. My second command was a fast attack oiler. Left the shipyards in Brooklyn and steamed straight to Gitmo.

Look pop I can only grade you on the nonsense that you are spewing, so what you said was

Every time we pulled out of port there was a Russian trawler trying to trail us.

You said nothing about international waters you said that every time you pulled out of port (piers still in sight) there was a Russian trawler

You do not even know what the fuck a port is much less a submarine

Do you live in Idaho

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

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Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

It's funny -- you keep changing your story based on what I tell you.

You said trains are powered only by the electric grid. Now you say they stop for fuel.

You really are a fucking idiot.

Trains never get off grid kid, the rails connect cities even in the deep West. The sad thing is that you think locomotive tech is the same as maritime tech

You fucking idiot, now you're trying to change the meaning of "grid" to mean something different.

Diesel-electric propulsion systems do not require connection to the electrical grid, no matter if they're on land or sea.

Fucking idiot.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

You just can't help being wrong. The design spec for the LCS is an unrefueled range of 3,500 miles.

Not with bad clutches, and not with the mythical electric engines that only exist in your head

You keep saying shit.

You haven't proven any of it.

Are you getting frustrated that people don't believe what you say simply because you say it?

You should be. Because you're a fucking idiot.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

Civilians who never served who give veterans shit for doing something they couldn't or wouldn't do are garbage.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

Nuclear submarines don't ever run off batteries. the piles use radioactive hot water to heat non-radioactive cold water turning it into steam to turn a turbine that turn the prop and the exhaust steam from the turbine turns a generator to provide electrical power to the boat. That's the reason diesel electric boats are quieter than nuke boats when running on batteries. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Ten seconds of Google would stop you from looking like a fool.

He should take a little time to research before he posts. Most of the information is out there.

In fact, I would be happy to answer any submarine questions. I qualified in 1981 onboard an FBM submarine.

Qualified for what? Cook, laundry attendant, missile counter?

Again, a little research would do you some good.

To qualify on a submarine means having a working knowledge of every system on the boat and all damage control procedures and systems. You get signed off on every system, from NAV to propulsion, to supply requisitions. Then you have to stand in from of a board of both enlisted and officers and answer any question about anything on the boat. Then a walk-thru with the Capt. You would never be able to qualify.

I still have my "dolphins" and can still sign "SS" after my name on any military or veteran paperwork.

And every enlisted crewmember has a job, yours was what? Laundry like I said, or perhaps kitchen degreaser? Tell us pop

Yes, every enlisted crew member has a job. In addition to that job you stand various watches, from security watch in port to other jobs underway. I stood sonar watch and helmsman/planesman watch. And every crew member has to qualify. It usually takes months, because your various jobs still have to be done.

So let me get this straight, you watched the sonar man or driver do his job, but never did anything. So your job was absolutely nothing which is what your ASVAB test scores qualified you for.

Well at least you are honest

Yawn

I guess you never served in the military? Or you would know what the term "standing watch" means in this context.

I was the sonar man on watch, and I drove the boat.

Estella is a moron. They know nothing.

So were you a bubblehead, or on a DD?

I was a Bubblehead.

Which boat?

I have several friends who were bubblehead. Mostly attack subs, but one was on a boomer.

Boomers were great duty. More time off than anywhere else in the Navy. But also more time at sea. Never stopping in ports and only rarely surfacing.

Yeah, my attack friends were "3 knots to nowhere, no thanks!"

Thank you for helping keep this country safe!

Thank you.

Yeah, the boomers were not about excitement during the patrol. But when you are 400+ feet below the surface carrying more nuclear firepower than any vessel every carried, excitement seems over-rated. Smooth running and no water in the people tank is good.

Did you ever wish that you were assigned to an attack sub that actually had missions instead of doing absolutely nothing where you were?

Our mission was as a deterrent. We succeeded.

Perhaps you should step up and volunteer for sub duty.

LOL are you aware that not all submarine crew members volunteer as some are picked for the job before they ever set foot in the Navy?

Out-Interviewing the Interviewer: A Job... book by Stephen K. Merman (thriftbooks.com)

I love special ed agents

I love having someone who never served tell me about what I did or didn't do, and which jobs are important.

I love fakers who do not have the guts to own up to what their military job actually was

I had the guts to step up and serve? How about you?

As for my rating, that is irrelevant to the discussion. And given the size of the crew, and since I have already said the name of my boat and crew, I prefer to keep my personal info from being spread around. But, even if I was a cook, a storekeeper, or a corpsman, the training I received and passed is beyond anything you could manage.

What weapons does the military make? See if not for the rest of the population there would be no military.

Continue on

LOL I bought Raytheon does that count?

Thank you for shopping at K-Mart.

 

[daveman]

Unfortunately that is actually top secret SCI

Horseshit.

 

[daveman]

It seems that you are trying to get me to say something that is not true...

You don't need any help lying, you lying garbage.

 

[daveman]

Submarines use electric power well, daveman thinks that littoral ships that run on fuel oil have the same benefit of a nuclear reactor. So davey has no clue, like some other people faking their way thru life.

It would be great if you could stop lying, but I don't expect you to.

 

[daveman]

I know you must be embarrassed by being schooled in this thread. If your jokes were actually funny, it might be less embarrassing.

It lacks the self-awareness to be embarrassed.

 

[daveman]

Says the man who has been out of the Navy for decades and is still babbling because other than that there is nothing. My father went up the beach on Okinawa with the fifth marines and you have said more about your service in this thread than he did about his service in his entire life. But then I heard once that the people who never actually did anything are always bragging about their service and the people who saw real action have to forget what they did and as such are quiet about what they need to forget. I got great photos of my Father in Law on Leyte in 45. Here is one

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

Taking credit for your father's service. You really are a piece of shit.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

It's funny -- you keep changing your story based on what I tell you.

You said trains are powered only by the electric grid. Now you say they stop for fuel.

You really are a fucking idiot.

Trains never get off grid kid, the rails connect cities even in the deep West. The sad thing is that you think locomotive tech is the same as maritime tech

You fucking idiot, now you're trying to change the meaning of "grid" to mean something different.

Diesel-electric propulsion systems do not require connection to the electrical grid, no matter if they're on land or sea.

Fucking idiot.

Actually is you are deep off grid in Alaska for instance there are no gas stations pumping diesel. Your issue is you do not understand what off grid means.

Yawn