US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

[esalla]

US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

The U.S. Navy is nearing a conclusion that it has a big problem on its hands.

www.defensenews.com

Lol, the little engine that thought it could can't

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

 

[daveman]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.