Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[kaz]

If you ask me a question where my answer is irrelevant, I'm going to respectfully pass. It is a hypothetical because your question was "if this was a Democrat...". Well, it's not a Democrat. It's Trump.

My point is that Trump hasn't said he declassified the documents, so the DoJ is going to continue to do what they are obligated to do, which is go after these documents to protect national security.

Actually Trump did say he declassified the documents. Since you're stupid, I'll explain it to you. You admit you wouldn't apply this standard to a Democrat. Well, Rover, standards are things you apply to yourself first. You are like your leader Joe just an ass making political attacks

 

[kaz]

AND biden - who has the ultimate authority ... stripped donny of his security clearance long ago.

Irrelevant since this happened during Trump's presidency, not Creepy Joe's

 

[kaz]

Hate to give you the bad news, but Trump is not the president and is not allowed by law to keep any Presidential Records, much less classified documents he no longer has clearance for.

So who's dumb here? Everyone including DOJ and courts...or you?

Well, then it's a good thing it was during Trump's presidency.

Question, when did you realize you were a retard?

 

[kaz]

There is no procedure for presidential declassification. However, if the president does not inform anyone that documents are to be declassified, nothing happens and the documents remain classified.

I expect that asking a jury to believe he declassified documents with no proof will not fly. It simply is not reasonable that a president would declassify hundreds of documents some top secret without seeking advice of his security advisors. The far more plausible explanation is that he claimed after leaving the presidency that he declassified the documents in order to escape criminal charges.

Another Democrat who makes up an answer to the question without a shred of evidence.

OK, boi, LINK

 

[kaz]

Reasonable suspicions that searching Mar A Lago would produce evidence of criminal activity is all that is needed for the search warrant. The fact classified documents were found illegally in Trump's possession indicates that those suspicions were correct.

So the court answer to this would be "objection, assumes facts not in evidence."

Once again, you're pulling it out of your ass.

This shit he took them without declassifying them shows how barely conscious you idiots are, which is why you have post after post of making up answers you like

 

[Marener]

Actually Trump did say he declassified the documents. Since you're stupid, I'll explain it to you. You admit you wouldn't apply this standard to a Democrat. Well, Rover, standards are things you apply to yourself first. You are like your leader Joe just an ass making political attacks

I looked at every court filing and none of them said these documents are declassified. Where did you get that he said they were declassified?

 

[kaz]

Let me see if I can make this clear. It was 1998, and the FBI put Osama BinLaden on their most wanted list. Eventually upping the reward to $25 million for information leading to his apprehension or conviction. Nowhere does it give anybody permission to use deadly force.

That authorization came from other US government terrorist statutes, authorizing the government to use deadly force against terrorists.

When the PRA declared the documents Trump had as US property. Other statutes authorizing search warrants and raids to recover stolen US government property took effect.

Have you been locked in a basement alone since Covid Started? You need some mental health treatment

 

[kaz]

I looked at every court filing and none of them said these documents are declassified. Where did you get that he said they were declassified?

Here's one that talks about it. You could have searched yourself. You obviously didn't try with how many matches came up

MSN

This whole thing is a game you're playing. If Republicans were going after a Democrat over this, you'd be losing your mind. That Trump had the power to declassify them but didn't is a kids game, nothing more. It's how mean and nasty Democrats are

 

[Marener]

Here's one that talks about it. You could have searched yourself. You obviously didn't try with how many matches came up

MSN

This whole thing is a game you're playing. If Republicans were going after a Democrat over this, you'd be losing your mind. That Trump had the power to declassify them but didn't is a kids game, nothing more. It's how mean and nasty Democrats are

I don’t think declaring something is declassified on social media is actually an order to declassify it.

In fact, Trump claimed he declassified stuff on Twitter when he was president and Meadows told the judge his statement on social media did not mean they were declassified.

LEOPOLD FOIA Trump Declassify Tweets Meadows Declaration | DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Trump has never said in any legal filing that the documents were declassified. He only said it on social media which history shows doesn’t actually mean anything.

 

[Flopper]

Exactly WHERE the **** are the documents that were in these folders?

"Military Aide"? Military documents?

REAL Americans would like to know.

For the security community to mitigate potential damages to national security, they are going to need information, not just what classified information was taken but who might have got access to it. There are 92 employees at Mar A Lago which includes a number of foreign nationals. It's a resort that hosts guests form all over the world.

Without knowing who might have gained access to the documents, it's going to be difficult to assess damages and determine what is to done. It seems what is needed is full cooperation of Trump and the his staff. However, that is not going happen while Trump and his people are under investigation.

As much I hate to say it, it may be necessary to grant Trump and his people immunity to get their cooperation, to determine how all the classified documents got to Mar A Lago, how were documents protected, who might have had access, etc. With out this type of information our security services are going to be doing a lot of guessing and that is not good when people's lives are on the line and information that could put the country at risk is in unknown hands.

 

[Mac1958]

As much I hate to say it, it may be necessary to grant Trump and his people immunity to get their cooperation, to determine how all the classified documents got to Mar A Lago, how were documents protected, who might have had access, etc. With out this type of information our security services are going to be doing a lot of guessing and that is not good when people's lives are on the line and information that could put the country at risk is in unknown hands.

That would be worth it. We need to know what, if anything, got out. Immunity is fine if that's what it takes.

 

[Flopper]

I don’t think declaring something is declassified on social media is actually an order to declassify it.

In fact, Trump claimed he declassified stuff on Twitter when he was president and Meadows told the judge his statement on social media did not mean they were declassified.

LEOPOLD FOIA Trump Declassify Tweets Meadows Declaration | DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Trump has never said in any legal filing that the documents were declassified. He only said it on social media which history shows doesn’t actually mean anything.

In an interview on Fox News, Trump's former Attorney General, Bill Barr said, "I, frankly, am skeptical of the claim that [Trump] declassified everything,"
"Because frankly, I think it's highly improbable, and second, if in fact he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them and said 'I hereby declassify everything in here,' that would be such an abuse of power and that shows such recklessness, it's almost worse than taking the documents,"

Apparently Garland expected something like this from Trump so he listed statues in the search warrant that were independent of classifications thus making classification irrelevant to the prosecution at least as far the evidence gathered from Mar A Lago.

 

[kaz]

I don’t think declaring something is declassified on social media is actually an order to declassify it.

In fact, Trump claimed he declassified stuff on Twitter when he was president and Meadows told the judge his statement on social media did not mean they were declassified.

LEOPOLD FOIA Trump Declassify Tweets Meadows Declaration | DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Trump has never said in any legal filing that the documents were declassified. He only said it on social media which history shows doesn’t actually mean anything.

This whole thing is a game you're playing. If Republicans were going after a Democrat over this, you'd be losing your mind. That Trump had the power to instantly declassify them, but didn't, is a kids game, nothing more. It's how mean and nasty Democrats are

 

[Flopper]

The documents are classified and will be treated as such until they are declassified.

Trump has given no indication he declassified. It would make no sense to treat them as declassified until he does.

I did a little research on the Trump's claim about declassification. It was reported that Trump declassified all classified documents that he took to the Residency. The term residency refers to the presidency's home in the White House not Mar A Lago. Also Trump did say that the documents are declassified at Mar A Lago. This gives us a hint of how the classified document got to Mar A Lago. Trump kept classified documents at the Residency so they would have been moved with everything else to Mar A Lago. So when he claimed that documents were declassified at the Residency, they would have remained declassified after the move to Mar A Lago, at least within his mind. Also some of these documents could have been laying around Mar A Lago for years.

 

[Flopper]

Now we find more are missing; Trump investigation: Empty folders marked classified found at Mar-a-Lago

Trump has to be brought in for questioning now.

Why? Trump would just take the 5th. He is not going cooperate with investigators.

 

[Flopper]

Apparently you have the reading level of a chipmunk.

Let me show you where you made your mistake. You can apologize later.

“Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Jackson wrote.

Did you see the part about during his term]/B]

The president has discretion how to separate PRA from personal. But Trump failed to separate them during his term, and as a private citizen no longer has presidential discretion.

Do you understand where you went wrong?

Yes, how it is done was up to Trump. however the PRA requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records. Most presidents have a desk in the residency that contains personal records. The definition of presidential records is so broad that presidents general have very few things they take to residency to be moved. Both Bush and Omaha had just a few items such as pictures, desk items, and personal gifts. Obama had just a few personal records such personal notes, letters, and books and nothing to do with the work of the president.

 

[Marener]

This whole thing is a game you're playing. If Republicans were going after a Democrat over this, you'd be losing your mind. That Trump had the power to instantly declassify them, but didn't, is a kids game, nothing more. It's how mean and nasty Democrats are

This isn’t a game. These are highly classified documents and this is a big deal.

If they’re classified, he clearly mishandled them which is bad.

If he declassified them, then the contents of these highly classified documents becomes public which is also bad.

Trump backed himself into a corner so he’s trying to have it both ways. He says one thing on the internet and acts differently in court.

 

[Marener]

In an interview on Fox News, Trump's former Attorney General, Bill Barr said, "I, frankly, am skeptical of the claim that [Trump] declassified everything,"
"Because frankly, I think it's highly improbable, and second, if in fact he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them and said 'I hereby declassify everything in here,' that would be such an abuse of power and that shows such recklessness, it's almost worse than taking the documents,"

Apparently Garland expected something like this from Trump so he listed statues in the search warrant that were independent of classifications thus making classification irrelevant to the prosecution at least as far the evidence gathered from Mar A Lago.

Garland’s main goal seems likely related to justifying the warrant. Make it impossible to argue against.

I don’t know if it gets prosecuted. It may not be worth it.

 

[Flopper]

This isn’t a game. These are highly classified documents and this is a big deal.

If they’re classified, he clearly mishandled them which is bad.

If he declassified them, then the contents of these highly classified documents becomes public which is also bad.

Trump backed himself into a corner so he’s trying to have it both ways. He says one thing on the internet and acts differently in court.

At least one of the top secret compartmentalized documents carried a label meaning not for foreign access, originated with CIA, and it is about information from human asset. This means information from CIA agents and other assets. Such documents in the wrong hands could expose agents or their assets in highly placed position in places like China or Russia. There were other similar classified documents from the NSA who does electronic intercepts. Dozens of other top secret documents would likely cause major national security problems. So it is certainly not a game. The exposure of so much highly classified information could well cost lives and endanger the nation.

 

[kaz]

This isn’t a game. These are highly classified documents and this is a big deal.

If they’re classified, he clearly mishandled them which is bad.

If he declassified them, then the contents of these highly classified documents becomes public which is also bad.

Trump backed himself into a corner so he’s trying to have it both ways. He says one thing on the internet and acts differently in court.

You are so full of shit. I can destroy your bull shit with one word that shows how disingenuous you are. Hillary. You're a ******* liar