Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[Faun]

Not always, moron.

Your failure to answer my question demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[bripat9643]

Your failure to answer my question demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about.

It only demonstrates that I'm not willing to chase you down your rabbit hole.

 

[Faun]

It only demonstrates that I'm not willing to chase you down your rabbit hole.

LOL

Translation: you can't prove your bullshit is real.

 

[playtime]

Irrelevant since this happened during Trump's presidency, not Creepy Joe's

NOT irrelevant - given the FACT that

whilst he was prez - he stole & was still in possession of classified gov'ment docs AFTER he was stripped of his clearance.

so there's that....

btw - he sure couldn't use the excuse that he didn't know he had them NOR that they were classified - because the FACTS are in the post that i showed you as to why they would be clearly marked as such ...

( btw, you can thank me at anytime for them thar facts )

... takes care of that defense.

 

[playtime]

Well, then it's a good thing it was during Trump's presidency.

Question, when did you realize you were a retard?

 

[playtime]

Another Democrat who makes up an answer to the question without a shred of evidence.

OK, boi, LINK

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow​

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

Yes, the president can declassify documents while in office, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.

WHAT WE FOUND​

The U.S. classification system has three levels: top secret, secret and confidential.
“That is based on the level of damage that its release would cause to the national security of the United States,” Kel McClanahan, executive director of the National Security Counselors, said. “When you classify a document, that means that only people with a security clearance equal to the classification or higher can read it.”
A sitting U.S. president has wide-ranging authority to classify and declassify certain documents, but former presidents do not have authority over classification and declassification.

However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.

When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.
Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow


The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight...
Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.
“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.
There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

 

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If he declassified them, then the contents of these highly classified documents becomes public which is also bad.

since some of the docs he stole had most likely contained nuclear intel - then BY LAW he cannot declassify them. no way no how ne'eh.

 

[Rigby5]

NOT irrelevant - given the FACT that

whilst he was prez - he stole & was still in possession of classified gov'ment docs AFTER he was stripped of his clearance.

so there's that....

btw - he sure couldn't use the excuse that he didn't know he had them NOR that they were classified - because the FACTS that i showed you as to why they would be clearly marked as such ...
( btw, you can thank me at anytime for them thar facts ) ...

takes care of that defense.

Presidents and ex-presidents can NEVER be stripped of clearance because they get it from an election that has the highest authority.
No one can ever be above that or have a greater "need to know".
So they not only routinely get and retain access to all docs, but that never can end, because they are the only experts on docs created while they are pres.

There is no one who has the authority to tell a pres or ex-pres anything at all about classified docs.
The president and ex-president are the ultimate authority.

 

[Faun]

Presidents and ex-presidents can NEVER be stripped of clearance because they get it from an election that has the highest authority.
No one can ever be above that or have a greater "need to know".
So they not only routinely get and retain access to all docs, but that never can end, because they are the only experts on docs created while they are pres.

There is no one who has the authority to tell a pres or ex-pres anything at all about classified docs.
The president and ex-president are the ultimate authority.

Liar, ex-presidents have no such authority.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow​

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

Yes, the president can declassify documents while in office, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.

WHAT WE FOUND​

The U.S. classification system has three levels: top secret, secret and confidential.
“That is based on the level of damage that its release would cause to the national security of the United States,” Kel McClanahan, executive director of the National Security Counselors, said. “When you classify a document, that means that only people with a security clearance equal to the classification or higher can read it.”
A sitting U.S. president has wide-ranging authority to classify and declassify certain documents, but former presidents do not have authority over classification and declassification.

However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.

When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.
Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow


The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight...
Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.
“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.
There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

And Trump has total and complete access in perpetuity to all past classified docs.
The only clearance he would not have, is to new docs created AFTER his term.

The word "restricted" is an adjective, not an official classification.
The only official classifications in the US are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.
And yes, that means Trump could have all the nuclear docs he wanted, legally.
And no, there are no laws prohibiting Trump from taking any docs anywhere.
What does exist are laws like FOIA, that ensure the public representatives still retains copies, for historical purposes, like NARA.

 

[Rigby5]

since some of the docs he stole have most likely contained nuclear intel - then BY LAW he cannot declassify them. no way no how ne'eh.

Wrong.
Not only is a president the only ultimate authority who can do whatever they want, but that extends to after then term to all docs created before the end of their term, because they are the one with the ultimate authorization, being elected, and they have the highest possible "need to know".

 

[Faun]

And Trump has total and complete access in perpetuity to all past classified docs.
The only clearance he would not have, is to new docs created AFTER his term.

The word "restricted" is an adjective, not an official classification.
The only official classifications in the US are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.
And yes, that means Trump could have all the nuclear docs he wanted, legally.
And no, there are no laws prohibiting Trump from taking any docs anywhere.
What does exist are laws like FOIA, that ensure the public representatives still retains copies, for historical purposes, like NARA.

You're pathological.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.​

 

[Rigby5]

Liar, ex-presidents have no such authority.

Wrong.
Presidents and ex-presidents have the highest ultimate authority that no one else could possibly have!
Who could possibly have any other authority even remotely approaching a president or ex-president?
Certainly not the Pentagon, which is an entity the Founders considered totally corrupt and illegal.
Certainly not Congress, which has only very limited access to classified docs by a small intelligence committee.
Certainly not the judiciary, which has no security clearance at all.

It would be ridiculous to claim ex-presidents lose clearance, when they obviously are the only person with clearance, knowledge, or need to know over docs created during their term.
You would have to somehow wipe their memory in order to do that.
Ex-presidents only lose clearance to NEW docs created after their term.

 

[Rigby5]

and unlawfully

You need to read better.
Nothing a president or ex-president decides to do with any document can remotely be "unlawful".
They are the ultimate authority, and create all subordinate authority over all docs.
There is no statute that prevents any president from doing what ever they want with any doc.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
Presidents and ex-presidents have the highest ultimate authority that no one else could possibly have!
Who could possibly have any other authority even remotely approaching a president or ex-president?
Certainly not the Pentagon, which is an entity the Founders considered totally corrupt and illegal.
Certainly not Congress, which has only very limited access to classified docs by a small intelligence committee.
Certainly not the judiciary, which has no security clearance at all.

It would be ridiculous to claim ex-presidents lose clearance, when they obviously are the only person with clearance, knowledge, or need to know over docs created during their term.
You would have to somehow wipe their memory in order to do that.
Ex-presidents only lose clearance to NEW docs created after their term.

You're pathological. ex-presidents do not have a security clearance.

 

[playtime]

I don't think he did. He only quit inviting him to read the PDB.

Even if he did, that only shows what a petty infantile douchebag he is.

uh-huh. remember this?

i do.

Trump digs in at White House, denying Biden transition help on pandemic, national security​

An increasing chorus has called for him to allow intelligence briefings.
ByBen Gittleson and Jordyn Phelps
November 18, 2020, 6:11 PM
Trump digs in at White House, denying Biden transition help on pandemic, national security

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it wasn't until well into december b4 donny relented on that after much pressure. HIS petty infantile behavior regarding covid AND national security intel put EVERYONE in this nation at risk... including his trump humping supporters. you know what that means, dummy?

it means he doesn't give a flying **** about you.

​

 

[Faun]

You need to read better.
Nothing a president or ex-president decides to do with any document can remotely be "unlawful".
They are the ultimate authority, and create all subordinate authority over all docs.
There is no statute that prevents any president from doing what ever they want with any doc.

LOL

What part of "whoever" is above your limited comprehension, Pinocchio?

 

[playtime]

That's not fact. That's your fantasy.

Trump's lawyers never claimed in their legal filings that anything was declassified and many documents retained their classification markings. Are you saying you are a better legal representative for Trump than they are?

It's just something you want to believe and so you do.

& when they are declassified - there are several markings that are required on them so there's no mistaking which is which.

 

[playtime]

How does persecuting the opposition political party protect America?

LOCK THEM UP LOCK THEM UP LOCK THEM ALL UP!!!!!

 

[playtime]

Not always, moron.

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF STANDARD DECLASSIFICATION MARKINGS?

The intent of uniform, conspicuous and standard markings is to leave no doubt about the classified status of the information. If standard declassification markings are not affixed to declassified records uncertainty is created for cleared holders of the record as to its classification status.

Declassification Frequently Asked Questions

https://www.archives.gov/files/isoo/notices/notice-2018-01.pdf