Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[Flopper]

That's a ******* lie.

You've been corrected repeatedly - you're not mistaken - you're blatantly lying.

Declassification is a process that can be initiated by the president but only if he communicates his intentions and even the president can not declassify some top secret documents without going through the process documented in legislation.

 

[Flopper]

The warrant didn't specify very clearly anything.
The warrant they posted said take anything and everything that Trump touched.
That's not a legal warrant.

The scope may broad but it is certainly clear.
From the warrant: Property to be seized:
Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;

Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021

Read the full warrant documents from FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

A federal judge unsealed the warrant and property receipt materials after the Justice Department requested their release.

www.npr.org

 

[Nostra]

The scope may broad but it is certainly clear.
From the warrant: Property to be seized:
Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;

Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021

Read the full warrant documents from FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

A federal judge unsealed the warrant and property receipt materials after the Justice Department requested their release.

www.npr.org

Fishing expedition.

 

[Lesh]

Fishing expedition.

Top secret document recovery

 

[Nostra]

Top secret document recovery

Link?

 

[Lesh]

Link?

It's up your ass. Dig around till you find it

 

[Uncensored2008]

Declassification is a process that can be initiated by the president but only if he communicates his intentions and even the president can not declassify some top secret documents without going through the process documented in legislation.

The SCOTUS says you're wrong - and they have the authority.

All you of the left do is go round robin, you make fallacious claims, get refuted, then repeat the same claims.

It's boring - you're just reading crap from the fascist hate sites and have no actual argument.

 

[Flopper]

Wrong.
What you are referring to is if the president wants to have documents status changed so that they can be open to the public.
That is not relevant to what we are discussing here, which is the fact all documents presented to a president become automatically declassified to that president, and anyone he decides to use in their maintenance.
It makes no sense for any president to go through the motions of declassifying documents so that they can be read by the public, is they are trivial, obsolete, duplicate, etc.
So clearly what Trump likely was doing was sorting them.
They needed to be sorted in order to determine what to do with them.
And regardless of what status they may have had at one time, they have only the status that the former president decides they should have after no longer in office.
They are not his personal property, but are totally and completely under his complete discretion.

The only complaint anyone can really have is that he was lazy and slow to get around to sorting these documents.
If there was any legal infraction, it was that most of them should likely have been put in the National Archives, to satisfy the FOIA. But the reality is that all politicians likely sanitize anything before giving it over to NARA.

I think it's pretty clear as to what a president should do with classified documents on his finale days in office and it is certainly not to retain them at home and keep them till the court subpoenas them or they are seized with a search warrant.

And no, a classified document, actually a copy presented to the president does not declassify it. By virtue of being the Commander in Chief he has unlimited access to classified information. The original classified document is stored in with agency that created it. All copies are numbered and controlled. When the document is declassified all copies become declassified as does the information within the document. A single copy of a classified document can not be declassified because a classified document includes both the original and all copies. So Trump can not declassify the copy he has at Mar A Lago and keep all other copies classified because what is really being classified is not the paper but the information printed on the paper.

 

[Nostra]

It's up your ass. Dig around till you find it

So you admit you are full of shit. About time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's up your ass. Dig around till you find it

So you have nothing? Typical liberal!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think it's pretty clear as to what a president should do with classified documents on his finale days in office and it is certainly not to retain them at home and keep them till the court subpoenas them or they are seized with a search warrant.

And no, a classified document, actually a copy presented to the president does not declassify it. By virtue of being the Commander in Chief he has unlimited access to classified information. The original classified document is stored in with agency that created it. All copies are numbered and controlled. When the document is declassified all copies become declassified as does the information within the document. A single copy of a classified document can not be declassified because a classified document includes both the original and all copies. So Trump can not declassify the copy he has at Mar A Lago and keep all other copies classified because what is really being classified is not the paper but the information printed on the paper.

Flopper where did you receive your "training" on handling classified documents and how long ago?

 

[BWK]

So you admit you are full of shit. About time.

Who's side are you on mfr?

 

[BWK]

Flopper where did you receive your "training" on handling classified documents and how long ago?

Training? Why don't you just read the ******* statute?

 

[BWK]

The SCOTUS says you're wrong - and they have the authority.

All you of the left do is go round robin, you make fallacious claims, get refuted, then repeat the same claims.

It's boring - you're just reading crap from the fascist hate sites and have no actual argument.

Link showing us he is wrong?

 

[BWK]

What the ****?

First off moron, Fascism is a sect of socialism. Fascism is collectivist by definition. The idea of raising taxes to increase spending by the central government is a very collectivist idea - entirely consistent with fascism.

So WHAT is fascism? To you it's Republicans and anyone who opposes your party.

You no doubt will trot our some Marxist moron spewing the big lie. But what leftist academia claims is utterly irrelevant. ONLY Benito Mussolini gets to define what Fascism is - it is his creation.

Fascism is ultimately the supremacy of the state, the concept that ALL power ultimately is the rightful domain of the central, in our case federal, government.

Mussolini was one of Vladimir Lenin's top lieutenants and deeply dedicated to the cause of socialism. But of course he was a megalomaniac and not going to play second fiddle to anyone, Il Deuce was the boss.

Mussolini set out to fix some of the deep flaws of the Bolsheviks. First was the issue of human nature. The Bolsheviks addressed this by corruption, Lenin and later Stalin made corruption a central feature of Communism, because nothing gets accomplished without the promise of reward. Graft is a poor way of managing.

Italy is the birth place of the modern market, Venice the heart of the Renaissance. Also the rise of the Guilds. The Marxists in academia like to lie and claim that Fascism is "corporatist" - whatever the **** that means. But in reality Mussolini followed the guild structure.

Surprisingly, Wikipedia does a good job of explaining how these guilds under Il Deuce were nothing like a modern corporation.


{
A fascist corporation is a government body that brings together federations of workers and employers syndicates belonging to the same profession and branch, to regulate production in a holistic manner. Each trade union would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. It was theorized that this method could result in harmony amongst social classes.[35]

In Italy from 1922 until 1943, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists led by Benito Mussolini. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a "corporative state", having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy and authority in a special synthesis.[36] Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would later become a member of the Italian fascist regime.[37]

Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level.[38] Its supporters claimed that corporatism could better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, unlike majority-rules democracy which they said could marginalize specific interests. This total consideration was the inspiration for their use of the term "totalitarian", described without coercion (which is connoted in the modern meaning) in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus:

Corporatism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now you are a complete idiot, a dolt, nearly Faun level stupid. Casting pearls before swine comes to mind. Yet the question of what Fascism is could no longer be ignored as you of the Nazi party continue to lie.

Ultimately the central doctrine of Fascism is supremacy of the state. This is also the central doctrine of the democrat party - that the state is supreme and individuals are irrelevant.

But democrats are not merely fascist, they are Nazis - you have embraced the scapegoat, the racist attack on a group as foundation for your power as you establish the fascist state.

First off moron, Fascism is a sect of socialism. Fascism is collectivist by definition. The idea of raising taxes to increase spending by the central government is a very collectivist idea - entirely consistent with fascism. Socialism has been a way of life in this country that everyone has enjoyed since the thirties. Medicare, Medicaid, S.S., roads, bridges, police, fire, public education, the Farm Bill, and even Sports Socialism; So, I guess, according to you, we are all Fascist Socialists?

Without this form of Collectivism, this country would cease to exist.


By the way, the full definition of Fascism is; Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race ... That describes who you are, not me.

 

[Nostra]

Who's side are you on mfr?

Opposite of yours. I’m on the side of America.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yea, the S.S. Trump appointed.

a President does not hire secret service personnel retard. Nor does he appoint them to specific jobs

 

[Marener]

Link?

A photo of some of the documents recovered from Mar a Lago due to the search warrant.

 

[AsherN]

The president is the source of the whole classification system. He has the authority to classify or declassify any information. That power is HUGE, and the law never imagined a president who would abuse the power. It was left to following proper protocol, which the president is free to ignore.
The president is supposed to go to the original classifier, and "ask" them to declassify what they can of his request without harming national security.

But the president has the power to "order" they declassify the information.

So even to the detriment of our nations security the president can indeed declassify anything (except for nuclear, and certain CIA personnel).

But there is still a process so that all copies of that information can be marked de-classified.

 

[BWK]

Opposite of yours. I’m on the side of America.

Not at all. You are against the rule of law. That's Anti-American. You have been a traitor your entire life.