Unpopular Opinion: Conservative Businesses Should Fire Woke Employees

[JoeB131]

If someone were to hire you to perform a task, and you were to learn that this client was a Mormon, what would you do? If doing business with a Mormon is so hateful to you, the honest thing to do would be to simply state “I don't do business with Mormons.”, and turn him away.

Business isn't built on honesty..

It seems to me, based on remarks that you have made here and elsewhere—which show the nature of your professional ethics (or lack thereof) and your moral character (or lack thereof)—that the most likely thing that you would do would be to accept the job, and then perform as many subtle acts of malfeasance as you thought you could get away with; taking the client's money, but leaving him with a badly-done job, in ways that you'd hope he wouldn't notice right away, but which would later cause him considerable trouble.

Again, you can have moral character without belonging to a cult. Frankly, I've seen your morals, which mostly consists of trying to rationalize your racism and misogyny and homophobia with religion.

I do a good job for people because 1) That's what I'm paid to do and 2) I really want them recommending me to others. That's how I grow my business.

Now, as a buyer, I've had to fire vendors.. but it's usually been for a good cause. Like that time that a customer refused to ship my product because he had an ongoing dispute with the accounting department. Turns out it was his own fault, because his own bookkeeping was sloppy, but I took the time to work with accounting to resolve the issues, and then I pulled all future business away from him. No explanation, he knew what he did wrong.

 

[Blues Man]

so you got one?

And what was his insurance company?

And was the guy with terminal cancer showing up for work every day?

The guy was terminal with no chance of beating his cancer. How much money should be thrown at his medical treatment that is guaranteed to be useless?

Actually, it was his wife who had the policy and she was showing up to work every day.

The point is, if you are going to make medical insurance a perk of employment, then you actually provide the service. For every terminal guy who maybe wants to live a few more weeks with a treatment, there's hundreds of people who pay into the insurance and never make a claim. Myself... I've paid into private insurance or my employer has for the last 29 years since I left the service. The only year I made any substantial claims was 2007, and the company couldn't wait to get rid of me.

But simple enough solution. Get the employers out of it. Single Payer, government funded health care like every other industrialized nation does it.

And it was also not an insurance company. It seems the hospital used its own resources to provide medical care to its staff.

And I see no reason to spend millions of dollars on a terminally ill person. And if you think government insurance would have kept throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at a terminally ill person then you are so naive as to be mentally retarded

 

[Blues Man]

Since you aren't allowed to ask a person about his religious beliefs in an interview, you wouldn't know if you were hiring a Mormon.

Oh, you can spot the Mormons... they stupid blank looks on their faces that most of them have from years of Cult Brainwashing.

Uh huh

 

[JoeB131]

And it was also not an insurance company. It seems the hospital used its own resources to provide medical care to its staff.

Actually, it was self insured.. They weren't treating him personally.

And I see no reason to spend millions of dollars on a terminally ill person. And if you think government insurance would have kept throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at a terminally ill person then you are so naive as to be mentally retarded

I suspect the first time the government tried to deny care to a terminally ill person, there would be an angry mob marching on Congress... So I'm not worried about that sort of thing.

The thing is, it shouldn't be the employer or the insurance company's or even the government's call. The only people who should determine if a course of treatment is warranted is the patient and their doctor. PERIOD. FULL FUCKING STOP.

The idea that an insurance company can deny your claim because hey, those Eight Figure Executive Salaries aren't going to pay themselves, is immoral and wrong.

 

[Blues Man]

And it was also not an insurance company. It seems the hospital used its own resources to provide medical care to its staff.

Actually, it was self insured.. They weren't treating him personally.

And I see no reason to spend millions of dollars on a terminally ill person. And if you think government insurance would have kept throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at a terminally ill person then you are so naive as to be mentally retarded

I suspect the first time the government tried to deny care to a terminally ill person, there would be an angry mob marching on Congress... So I'm not worried about that sort of thing.

The thing is, it shouldn't be the employer or the insurance company's or even the government's call. The only people who should determine if a course of treatment is warranted is the patient and their doctor. PERIOD. FULL FUCKING STOP.

The idea that an insurance company can deny your claim because hey, those Eight Figure Executive Salaries aren't going to pay themselves, is immoral and wrong.

You suspect wrong.

Because it's the people who pay for government insurance that will not want millions of dollars wasted on a guy who going to be dead in a month anyway.

Single payer is a shit system

Why single payer health care is a terrible option

Despite its decades of documented failure in Western Europe, single-payer health care has newfound among support Democrats -- and it could come at great cost to the American people, writes Scott W. Atlas

www.cnn.com

Why A Government-Run, Single-Payer Healthcare Approach Is Doomed To Fail

Coverage for all with lower costs, a broad choice of providers, and minimal paper work. The problem is that it won’t work. For more than half a century, advocates for a government-run, single-payer approach to health care coverage have touted its potential.

www.forbes.com

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Business isn't built on honesty.

And there we have it. The foundation of your business ethics, as expressed much more verbosely, in many, many, many of your posts, condensed down to one sentence. Not just how you do business, but how you deal with people in general, in all situations.

It certainly does nothing to dispel what I said earlier about how I suspect you would deal with any client who you knew to hold beliefs that you find disagreeable…

It seems to me, based on remarks that you have made here and elsewhere—which show the nature of your professional ethics (or lack thereof) and your moral character (or lack thereof)—that the most likely thing that you would do would be to accept the job, and then perform as many subtle acts of malfeasance as you thought you could get away with; taking the client's money, but leaving him with a badly-done job, in ways that you'd hope he wouldn't notice right away, but which would later cause him considerable trouble.

Any sane person would see that as very wrong and unacceptable behavior, but that's because most of us don't base our ethical framework on “Business isn't built on honesty.”

Again, you can have moral character without belonging to a cult. Frankly, I've seen your morals, which mostly consists of trying to rationalize your racism and misogyny and homophobia with religion.

“Homophobia” is nothing more than a rational recognition of an evil and disordered sexual perversion for what it is. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing to do with my religion. It is telling that you support and defend that perversion, and think that it is disapproving of it that is something to be condemned. But again, it goes to your moral and ethical character, or lack thereof.

As for racism and misogyny,. I think it is very clear, from our respective body of work, which one of us is genuinely a racist and a misogynist, and which one of us is not.

 

[JoeB131]

And there we have it. The foundation of your business ethics, as expressed much more verbosely, in many, many, many of your posts, condensed down to one sentence. Not just how you do business, but how you deal with people in general, in all situations.

Uh, guy... Get real. I know my bosses lie to me. I know that my vendors lie to me. I know that my job requires me to lie to vendors every day. I don't honestly tell the vendor that I'm shopping out his products to get a lower price, because there's always the possibility he'll just stop providing product knowing he's going to get fired anyway.

It certainly does nothing to dispel what I said earlier about how I suspect you would deal with any client who you knew to hold beliefs that you find disagreeable…

Depends on the situation. I probably would get rid of a vendor I thought was disagreeable... if they were too difficult to work with or if I had questions about their reliability.

Any sane person would see that as very wrong and unacceptable behavior, but that's because most of us don't base our ethical framework on “Business isn't built on honesty.”

Get real. Hey, ever watch any commercials lately? Do you really think that commercials are honest, and that someone out there is really excited about product X? No. The purpose is to promote the product. Capitalism is an inherently dishonest system... based on the premise of "Caveat Emptor" - Let the Buyer Beware.

You belong to a cult based on a lie. Joseph Smith never got any golden tablets and he was never talking to any Angels named "Moroni". But you keep sucking up the lie... People claim they want honesty, but most of us don't.

Now, one bit of dishonestly I engage in on my resume business, I can't tell you how many people write down on their resumes WHY they lost their last job. It's human nature. I tell them not to do that, and for a good reason. Regardless if you were in the right or not, it sounds defensive. So don't put it down that you lost your job because of Covid or the 2008 recession. They can tell that by the dates.

“Homophobia” is nothing more than a rational recognition of an evil and disordered sexual perversion for what it is. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing to do with my religion. It is telling that you support and defend that perversion, and think that it is disapproving of it that is something to be condemned. But again, it goes to your moral and ethical character, or lack thereof.

Guy, here's the funny thing. I'm straight. Nothing about sex with another dude would ever appeal to me. But i also don't get worked up about it, because it has no effect on my life. People live their lives, you live yours. that you spend so much time worried about someone else's sex life is telling.

As for racism and misogyny,. I think it is very clear, from our respective body of work, which one of us is genuinely a racist and a misogynist, and which one of us is not.

Yeah, it would be the one who belongs to a cult who treats women as second class citizens and didn't let black people become members until 1978, when Jimmy Carter threatened to pull your tax exemptions.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Uh, guy... Get real. I know my bosses lie to me. I know that my vendors lie to me. I know that my job requires me to lie to vendors every day.

Your problem is that to your core, you are a deeply dishonest person, with no sense of basic ethics or decency; and you cannot bring yourself to believe that other people are any different than yourself in this regard. You use the dishonesty and lack of ethics that you falsely perceive in others as an excuse to be dishonest and unethical in your own dealings with others.

Your entire body of work on this forum paints the picture of a man who believes that all his life, others have been out to lie to him, to cheat him, to screw him over, and who feels justified in behaving in that manner toward others.

The experience that you claim to have had all your life is not the experience that most normal, sane people have.

The problem is not with every person with whom you have ever had any kind of dealings or association; the problem is with •YOU•.

 

[Blues Man]

And there we have it. The foundation of your business ethics, as expressed much more verbosely, in many, many, many of your posts, condensed down to one sentence. Not just how you do business, but how you deal with people in general, in all situations.

Uh, guy... Get real. I know my bosses lie to me. I know that my vendors lie to me. I know that my job requires me to lie to vendors every day. I don't honestly tell the vendor that I'm shopping out his products to get a lower price, because there's always the possibility he'll just stop providing product knowing he's going to get fired anyway.

It certainly does nothing to dispel what I said earlier about how I suspect you would deal with any client who you knew to hold beliefs that you find disagreeable…

Depends on the situation. I probably would get rid of a vendor I thought was disagreeable... if they were too difficult to work with or if I had questions about their reliability.

Any sane person would see that as very wrong and unacceptable behavior, but that's because most of us don't base our ethical framework on “Business isn't built on honesty.”

Get real. Hey, ever watch any commercials lately? Do you really think that commercials are honest, and that someone out there is really excited about product X? No. The purpose is to promote the product. Capitalism is an inherently dishonest system... based on the premise of "Caveat Emptor" - Let the Buyer Beware.

You belong to a cult based on a lie. Joseph Smith never got any golden tablets and he was never talking to any Angels named "Moroni". But you keep sucking up the lie... People claim they want honesty, but most of us don't.

Now, one bit of dishonestly I engage in on my resume business, I can't tell you how many people write down on their resumes WHY they lost their last job. It's human nature. I tell them not to do that, and for a good reason. Regardless if you were in the right or not, it sounds defensive. So don't put it down that you lost your job because of Covid or the 2008 recession. They can tell that by the dates.

“Homophobia” is nothing more than a rational recognition of an evil and disordered sexual perversion for what it is. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing to do with my religion. It is telling that you support and defend that perversion, and think that it is disapproving of it that is something to be condemned. But again, it goes to your moral and ethical character, or lack thereof.

Guy, here's the funny thing. I'm straight. Nothing about sex with another dude would ever appeal to me. But i also don't get worked up about it, because it has no effect on my life. People live their lives, you live yours. that you spend so much time worried about someone else's sex life is telling.


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As for racism and misogyny,. I think it is very clear, from our respective body of work, which one of us is genuinely a racist and a misogynist, and which one of us is not.

Yeah, it would be the one who belongs to a cult who treats women as second class citizens and didn't let black people become members until 1978, when Jimmy Carter threatened to pull your tax exemptions.

And you think Socialism and Communism are inherently honest?

Life's not fair, life has never been fair life will never be fair.

These are universal truths like gravity.

If you can't realize and accept that the once again you are naive to the point of being mentally retarded.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Sticking your nose in their personal lives and firing them for expressing opinions you don't like is micromanaging.

Well, I know my people appreciate it, and they don't see it as micromanaging at all. They appreciate that they work for someone who actually cares about them.

As for firing people, none of them were fired for expressing opinions I didn't like. In fact, it was an even split between liberal and conservative. One expressed opinions I actually agreed with.

But there's no politics in the workplace. Period. They knew it, and they did it anyway.

Perhaps you like having people who say "fuck you" to workplace rules, but I don't...

Maybe because $3500 doesn't impress me at this point in my life. It's not like you can actually buy a car for that amount.

And $3,500 doesn't impress me much, either. I can assure you it made a difference to the guy who received it. He was moved to tears. It helped save this kid's job. I think he put $500 of his own money into it and found a decent deal on a decent used car.

We could've given him ten grand. We could've bought him a house. Should we have done that, though? He also could've borrowed against his 401K, or just withdrawn money, but that money's supposed to be for his retirement. I felt we could fix the problem in a way which didn't negatively impact that.

See, you're just incapable of acknowledging that what we did was a good thing. We had a kid who was habitually late and, instead of firing him for that (which was also discussed) we found a way to rectify his problem. But you disagree with me, probably don't like me (as if I could give a fuck), so you'll fault me at every turn.

We did as good thing for a good kid, so fuck you...

But yet your first wallop out of the bat here was complaining about "bad" employees who had it coming.

You're not real bright, are you?

Look at the title of the thread. It's about firing people...

Again, I can only judge what you say here... and it doesn't look good.

That's because you're a shitty judge...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Business isn't built on honesty..

Wow.

That certainly explains where your total lack of ethics comes from...

 

[Canon Shooter]

I know that my job requires me to lie to vendors every day.

What a piece of shit you are.

I have two successful businesses and neither was borne from lies and dishonesty.

Nice to see you're an admitted liar, though. That explains a lot...

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Yeah, it would be the one who belongs to a cult who treats women as second class citizens and didn't let black people become members until 1978, when Jimmy Carter threatened to pull your tax exemptions.

You keep harping on this, but again, based on our respective bodies of work, I think it is very clear which one of us is both a racist and a misogynist, and which one of us is not.

I can tell you that my wonderful wife does not feel oppressed by me nor our religion, and does not find either to be misogynistic.

What does your wife think?

Oh, that's right. You don't have a wife. Late fifties, and never been married.

 

[Canon Shooter]

What does your wife think?

Oh, that's right. You don't have a wife. Late fifties, and never been married.

LOL!!

 

[BrokeLoser]

This opinion is unpopular with both Liberals and Conservatives. Most Liberals believe that they do not hold any views for which they deserve to be punished. The vast majority of Conservatives believe that no one should lose their job for their political beliefs. I am neither Liberal nor Conservative.

In a perfectly just Society, very few people would lose their job for their political beliefs. Only the most extreme views would merit such penalty. Even though USA in the past was far from being perfect, firing people for their political opinions was relatively rare. To the best of my knowledge it was rare even in the first years of this Century.


Unfortunately, in recent years tens of thousands of people have been fired and/or blacklisted for even mildly offending Progressives. In my opinion, Conservative business owners should respond in kind. There are thousands of counties and small towns in which Conservatives are over 70% majority, and hundreds of counties in which they are 80% majority. Amazingly, in a few counties over 90% of people are Conservative. If Liberal supporters of Cancel Culture who live in these towns or counties lose their jobs, they would have a hard time finding other jobs in the same community. That would force them either to reconsider their views and make amends or to relocate to more Liberal urban areas.


Almost all Liberal supporters of Cancel Culture believe that private businesses have a right to fire any employee for their political opinions. They accuse opponents of Cancel Culture of opposing the First Amendment. Thus they would not object to being fired themselves.


Firing Cancel Culture proponents may have other benefits as well. They are likely to try to dictate to their employees how to run their business. For instance, some Amazon employees have been making a scene when Amazon carried books they do not like. The same is true for many bookstores and music stores. Some publishers have been pressured by their employees not to publish books they find offensive.


Cancel Culture proponents are likely to be walking lawsuits. Their Conservative and Independent coworkers have to walk on eggshells in their presence. This hardly benefits the working environment. A working team where all members share most ideas may be more friendly and more productive.


Another benefit of firing Cancel Culture proponents may be in liberation of work places for Conservatives and Independents who have been fired for their beliefs. Conservative business owners should be helping those hurt by Cancel Culture rather then those who support it. Hiring someone fired for his/her opinions may have additional benefits for a business. A cancelled employee is likely to understand that it would be difficult for them to find work elsewhere. Thus they are likely to work diligently rather then to risk losing their job.

Neither myself or any employer I know will hire or employ anybody who clearly holds a leftist belief system. My companies will not hire dark people, nor will we hire women...For now, we ONLY hire white males who clearly adhere to a conservative belief system. While none of this is in writing, it’s actually talked about quite candidly off record.
This probably sounds far-fetched to many as I say it in the wide open...but trust me, this shit is actually happening and my businesses are based in Mexifornia.

 

[hadit]

Women are still more discriminated against than men of any color

And an employer can hire anyone he wants and you have zero say in the matter.

Well, that's what needs to change. We had a much more prosperous society when we had unions and worker's rights.

And, no racial discrimination is far worse than gender discrimination. I've had lots of women bosses and never a boss who was a person of color.

And you forget what else was going on when we were much more prosperous. We were the only manufacturing presence on the planet that wasn't decimated by WWII, so of course we were prosperous. Guess when prosperity began to fall off. Hint, it was when the rest of the world caught up and passed us by. The unions failed to acknowledge the changes in the world and ended up killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

 

[JoeB131]

Your problem is that to your core, you are a deeply dishonest person, with no sense of basic ethics or decency; and you cannot bring yourself to believe that other people are any different than yourself in this regard. You use the dishonesty and lack of ethics that you falsely perceive in others as an excuse to be dishonest and unethical in your own dealings with others.

Naw, guy, I'm a realist. I think most people are dishonest because I've been lied to so many time professionally and otherwise.

Your entire body of work on this forum paints the picture of a man who believes that all his life, others have been out to lie to him, to cheat him, to screw him over, and who feels justified in behaving in that manner toward others.

The experience that you claim to have had all your life is not the experience that most normal, sane people have.

Really? The problem is, your cult lies to you every day... and you just accept it. Frankly, you seem like an angry person who wants to hurt people and you get angry at people who've never bothered you, you know, like gays.

My ire is reserved to people who've jerked me around.

You keep harping on this, but again, based on our respective bodies of work, I think it is very clear which one of us is both a racist and a misogynist, and which one of us is not.

I can tell you that my wonderful wife does not feel oppressed by me nor our religion, and does not find either to be misogynistic.

Okay, well, I don't know your wife, so I can't tell you what she thinks. I also follow forum rules and don't attack family. What I can look at are statistics.

That Utah (home of the MORMON CULT) leads the nation in prescriptions for anti-depressents.

Study Finds Utah Leads Nation in Antidepressant Use

Medicine: Some point to the pressures of Mormonism, especially for women, to explain the surprising findings.

www.latimes.com

It's the fifth highest state in Suicides.

Utahâs suicide rate has shot up 46.5% since 1999 â making it the fifth-highest in the nation

Suicide rates rose in Utah and every other state but Nevada between 1999 and 2016, with big increases seen across age, gender, race and ethnicity, according to a report released Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.sltrib.com

Seems to me despite all the dumb smiles we see on members of your cult, a lot of you are pretty miserable creatures.

 

[JoeB131]

And you forget what else was going on when we were much more prosperous. We were the only manufacturing presence on the planet that wasn't decimated by WWII, so of course we were prosperous. Guess when prosperity began to fall off. Hint, it was when the rest of the world caught up and passed us by. The unions failed to acknowledge the changes in the world and ended up killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Actually, bullshit for a couple of reasons.

The first was that most of the world's industrial strength was largely restored by 1955. We helped rebuild a lot of it.

The other key thing is that the countries that DID pass us up in the 1970's, namely Germany and Japan, have stronger unions and workers rights than we did. Mostly because after the War, New Deal Democrats went over there and showed them how to reorganize their societies and governments.

Nope, prosperity fell off for one reason.. Because after sending Republicans to the Woodshed for 40 years, Nixon figured that you can get really stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their racial, religious and sexual fears.

 

[hadit]

And you forget what else was going on when we were much more prosperous. We were the only manufacturing presence on the planet that wasn't decimated by WWII, so of course we were prosperous. Guess when prosperity began to fall off. Hint, it was when the rest of the world caught up and passed us by. The unions failed to acknowledge the changes in the world and ended up killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Actually, bullshit for a couple of reasons.

The first was that most of the world's industrial strength was largely restored by 1955. We helped rebuild a lot of it.

The other key thing is that the countries that DID pass us up in the 1970's, namely Germany and Japan, have stronger unions and workers rights than we did. Mostly because after the War, New Deal Democrats went over there and showed them how to reorganize their societies and governments.

Nope, prosperity fell off for one reason.. Because after sending Republicans to the Woodshed for 40 years, Nixon figured that you can get really stupid white people to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their racial, religious and sexual fears.

The bottom line is, by the time the rest of the world was able to compete, American unions were fossilized and had locked down so many lucrative long term contracts that American companies found it very difficult to react quickly to changing market conditions. They were unable, just for one instance, to react to the oil embargo that gave foreign manufacturers of more efficient cars a foothold. At the same time, Nixon's leftwing wage and price controls were not a good idea. He should have taken a conservative approach instead of a liberal one. Look, you can pretend all you want that there was only one event or one person to blame, and you can search up and down the food chain until you find a Republican to blame everything on, but global economic matters have multiple drivers, and you being butthurt over the self-inflicted demise of union dominance blinds you to many of them.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Naw, guy, I'm a realist. I think most people are dishonest because I've been lied to so many time professionally and otherwise.

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My ire is reserved to people who've jerked me around.

As I said before, your claimed experiences certainly do not match mine, nor do I think they match most other people's.

That's not to say I haven't had the misfortune, on occasion, to have had to deal with liars and thieves and other nominal “humans” of very low character, but such dealings have been a tiny minority of my experiences in dealing with pother people.

You certainly come across to me as being much more similar to the lowest with whom I've ever had to deal, than to any of my mainstream dealings.

I have little doubt that if I were to have the relevant conversations with those that you claim to have screwed you over, I'd get a very different story from them about their dealings with you, and that their accounts would come across as much more believable than yours. If I were to have dealings with them, I have little doubt that I would find those dealings to go well, and would come away with few complaints, if any, about their honesty or ethics. And I equally have little doubt that if you were to deal with most of the people that I've dealt with you'd come away whining about how they screwed you over.

It'd probably be amusing to see you working under my current foreman. He's an honorable man, and he takes very good care of any workers who impress him favorably. But he doesn't put up with slackers, and he doesn't put up with the sort of bullshit of which you are a prolific producer. I do not think you'd last more than a day on a job under him, if you even made it that long; and of course, after being kicked off that job, you'd surely whine about how he supposedly lied to you and cheated you and screwed you over.